So lets get this 100% clear.
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So many people here have so many negative things to say about Valve and its products every single day. I find it hard to believe that people who bought Half-Life up to 5 YEARS ago feel that Counter-Strike and its different versions should always be free for everyone. 5 YEARS ago I was 15 years old and I bought Half-Life the day it came out. I've gone through about 3 completely built computers since then, shelled out $100's probably $1,000 for PC, X-Box, PS2, Gamecube, GBA games since then most of which don't come close to how good Half-Life was and all the mods that followed. Now when CZ came out everyone blasted it, same old stuff just recycled. It’s an EVOLUTION of the original CS. Valve could have completely stopped support for CS 1.6 and said "Everyone must move up to CZ" if they really wanted to. They do it with other games all the time; not directly saying that but how many people still play UT2k3 over UT2k4? I enjoy CZ; there is less BS in CZ servers. Way less crap servers with stupid mods running on them. Just less BS all around with CZ and that’s part of what makes it so enjoyable. I still have to go back to 1.6 for clan matches but I don't play 1.6 unless I'm at team practice or in the actual match, we all play CZ just about every night. I don't feel that CZ or CS:S should have or ever be free. I can see getting CS: Source for free if people buy HL2 but for those that don't buy HL2 they should have to buy CS: Source. People complaining that they won't get to test out CS: Source are getting a bit ridiculous about the whole thing. Valve doesn't even need to let everyone test out the game that owns CZ. Or let anyone test it period. Its just a perk of owning a $20-$30 (http://www.gogamer.com) game. If you don't own CZ then don't complain that you can't test it. Deal with it, buy CZ or don't if you don't want to, I could care less, but you don't have to complain about it because as they saying goes... When has complaining gotten you anything? It doesn't, it just gets you upset, others upset and nothing changes, accept it and get over it. I'm glad all the people complaining refuse to buy CZ you are the type of people that ruin CS anyway. We've all gotten our money's worth out of CS and CZ, Valve deserves all they've gotten so far and all they will get with CS: Source and Half-Life 2.
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No they really couldnt have.Frost said:
The reason mods are popular is because they are free. Number one rule when marketing anything on the internet. It has to be free.
Later, you can add features for paying customers, but generally, to succeed you have to keep it without cost for the basics.
Half Life survived, and made money, because mods are free and varied.
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Thanks for finding the link Shuzer. I knew it was around somewhere.
As for cracking CS:S, I highly doubt it will be possible given the tight constraints of Steam. I think Valve know what they are doing here. If they open up a beta test for 2 weeks and then shut it off denying everyone access to it from then on, then they can stop people trying to crack their way in. No more crack talk plz.
As for cracking CS:S, I highly doubt it will be possible given the tight constraints of Steam. I think Valve know what they are doing here. If they open up a beta test for 2 weeks and then shut it off denying everyone access to it from then on, then they can stop people trying to crack their way in. No more crack talk plz.
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I skipped from page one to this page, but just to clarify as i see it, later this summer might possibly mean the end of july, as it is a later date from today. It is still possible for them to recieve feedback and have HL2 gold by august. This would result in an early to mid september release, which technically, is still summer.
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bAbYhEaDcRaB said:
Good job stating the obvious!
This is the first thing i thought when reading that email
urseus said:
Half-Life had already sold hundreds of thousands of copies and won over 60 awards before the first beta of Counter-Strike even came out. Mods are a great thing for Half-Life but Valve will not release something they worked on for so long without somehow making money. Counter-Strike is no longer just a mod but a stand-alone game. Not all mods are popular there are hundreds that go almost unnoticed and they're free. What makes CS so popular is that it is a fun easy to play hard to master game. I don't doubt that mods like CS helped extend the life of Half-Life but not too many people play regular HL death match and single player compared to the amount actively play CS and CZ. Valve could have stopped making updates for CS when they released CZ and it would force more people to update. Yeah people might not feel that the upgrade was worth it but most of the die-hard CS fans are so stuck in their own world. They complain about every change Valve makes like its the end of the world and are just as set in their ways as many old people are today, granted most at hl2.net are not THAT bad the overall picture I get from reading posts is that there are quite a few that feel that they are entitled to stuff they simply aren't. It’s even worse over at the steampowered forums. I just feel that everyone really needs to take a look at the enormous value they've already gotten out of HL and CS to see just how good we have it. I would like to see the community a little more unified, I know that’s hard because there are WAY too many people that love CS that really need to upgrade their computers but it would be nice if EVERYONE was forced to move to CS Source instead of having 4 versions of CS being played at once. CS1.5, CS1.6, CZ1.2, and CS:S.
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