So some white trash prick drew a knife on my friends and I this afternoon.

[Llama]

Keyword there is defend. Defense isn't initiating contact. Rather defend the attack and set myself up for minimal damage instead of trying to hit someone with a weapon and leaving myself wide open.

You miss the point. Someone who is capable of retaliation is not going to leave themselves wide open, are they?

Marksman gave a good example of how to understand it. It doesn't take a genius or reflexes of a cat to cut, slash, stab when someone attacks you.

No, but if you are incapable of anything after the first shot then reflexes mean shit.

Well it would depend on the target. In that case a stab to the gut is probably going to be quicker and more effective than a punch.

A jab to the sternum not only happens in roughly half a second, but it also screws who ever its used on. I'm only giving these examples if the person being threatened with the knife is competant in self defence.

Close range against a weapon, good luck with that. You seem to think someone with a knife is going to be some mindless dope that won't know the difference between the blade and the handle. And that one hit/punch is going to take someone out. Between a blade and a fist, I'll put my money on the blade any day.

Again, have you ever been hit by someone hard in a pressure point?
Infact, have you ever hit back against someone with a knife?
Guess who has.

Again, im not saying running / Compliance isnt usually the best thing to do - It usually is. I'm saying if you can f*ck someone up without having by give all your money to them, then you should f*ck them up.

Obviously trying to do this outnumbered is also a stupid idea. Then you comply no matter how good you are.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I've done martial arts for maaany years. Its not hard to dodge a blow, no matter how fast your aponent.

Do lots of sparing and it becomes very clear very quickly that the hard part is dodging repeated attacks.


There are very, Very few people fast enough to punch so fast that the other guy doesnt have time to take one step (or simply lean) backwards/sideways.

It comes down to luck as much as skill when you're fighting someone with a weapon in my experience.

 

[AmishSlayer]

A couple of years ago I could've made this same thread...only instead of a mall it would've been a state park and instead of a white trash guy it would've been one of my cousins :|

I wanted to go biking with my other cousin to check out a field where we saw some people playing football (it was way too far to walk) so I was going to use my crazy cousin's bike since he was sitting by himself on a swing listening to music. He stops me as I was about to take off saying he wants to ride with my friend-cousin and doesn't want me to ride his bike. I try to reason with him, we're just going to head to the football field and he gets extremely defensive. My friend-cousin comes back with his bike and sees this and also tries to reason with him for a minute.

Then for some reason crazy-cousin decides we are trying to "jump" him as he put it later and pulls out his knife. Before I can say anything he slashes at my arm (he nicked me because I pulled my arm back fast enough - if I hadn't it would've been pretty serious). So as our relatives start noticing what happened (this is a family get-together over labor day) crazy-cousin runs off into the woods by himself. We never touched him.

Of course friend-cousin and I tell our relatives about what happened and eventually crazy-cousin comes walking out of the woods with blood coming from his ear and his pants all torn. He proceeds to conjure some bullshit story of how we "jumped" him for his bike, tried to rip out his earring and tried to rip/pull down his pants... His parents...being the retards they are believe him and want me and friend-cousin to pay for new jeans and any medical bills that arise from his ear... Every other one of my relatives think that's idiotic and we all leave.

Yeah, there's a reason this kid is in federal prison now (stole a car, crashed it into a telephone pole while drunk, but not before running a woman and her baby off the road injuring both of them severely - they had to be airlifted to a nearby hospital).

 

[Llama]

I've done martial arts for maaany years. Its not hard to dodge a blow, no matter how fast your aponent.

Do lots of sparing and it becomes very clear very quickly that the hard part is dodging repeated attacks.


There are very, Very few people fast enough to punch so fast that the other guy doesnt have time to take one step (or simply lean) backwards/sideways.

It comes down to luck as much as skill when you're fighting someone with a weapon in my experience.

I'm talking about very close quarters here. A decent punch would probably reach the target in half a second or less - Leaning back isnt a problem, you could push forward with a jab fairly easily
I do a lot of sparring (around 3-5 hours a week) just so you know

As a different question, what martial arts?

 

[function9]

You miss the point. Someone who is capable of retaliation is not going to leave themselves wide open, are they?

Anytime you attack you're exposing yourself.

No, but if you are incapable of anything after the first shot then reflexes mean shit. A jab to the sternum not only happens in roughly half a second, but it also screws who ever its used on. I'm only giving these examples if the person being threatened with the knife is competant in self defence.

Again, I get the impression you think one punch/strike anywhere is going to automatically disable someone. I've seen guys take a full blown shin kick to the groin and not be phased. If you think you're going to end it in one strike you're going to be in trouble.

Again, have you ever been hit by someone hard in a pressure point?

Yes I have, many times. While it's not fun it's certainly not any kind of fight ender.

Infact, have you ever hit back against someone with a knife? Guess who has.

In sparring yes, only after I had some kind of control over the hand with the weapon or disarmed. The main thing is you survived. But I've watched golfers get a hole in one too. It's certainly not a higher precentage shot and its almost foolish of them if they expected to get one everytime. Though it does happen.

 

[Llama]

Anytime you attack you're exposing yourself.

True.

Again, I get the impression you think one punch/strike anywhere is going to automatically disable someone. I've seen guys take a full blown shin kick to the groin and not be phased. If you think you're going to end it in one strike you're going to be in trouble.

Granted, i've never seen someone that tough, but I'm talking about someone roughly my size and age. The fact I'm still fairly young might make be a little ignorant though

Yes I have, many times. While it's not fun it's certainly not any kind of fight ender.

I can't really argue with this because it just depends where, when and who by. Fair enough.

In sparring yes, only after I had some kind of control over the hand with the weapon or disarmed. The main thing is you survived. But I've watched golfers get a hole in one too. It's certainly not a higher precentage shot and its almost foolish of them if they expected to get one everytime. Though it does happen.

I'm impressed, you know your stuff What martial arts are you into? You mention sparring a lot.

 

[15357]

Again, I get the impression you think one punch/strike anywhere is going to automatically disable someone. I've seen guys take a full blown shin kick to the groin and not be phased. If you think you're going to end it in one strike you're going to be in trouble.

And thats why there is a need for uh, certain "tools" that enable you to disable someone.

 

[thefiznut]

People like him are the reason I carry a 12" Ka-Bar on my belt.

And no, I do not threaten people with it. Ever.

 

[ericms]

Again, have you ever been hit by someone hard in a pressure point?

It's all about location and angle. Minimum force can knock someone out from being hit on pressure points.

 

[Slacker]

I love how this topic turned out...

 

[Ridge]

Thats a tought situation, but i'd have it covered.
I would have pulled my coat away from my body slightly so he could see my handgun.

Why do I have trouble seeing a 16 year old kid with a chest holster and a loaded firearm? Are you posting from Somalia or something?

 

[sinkoman]

DUDE, wtf is with kids and knives lately?

I heard a few weeks back that a stubby geek kid at my school pulled a knife on some freshman for no apparent reason.

I hear some recently turned emo kid pulls a knife on my friend because my friend was ragging on him for going emo (something about calling him darth sidious...)

And then I read this...

WTF?

 

[Jintor]

Sharp pieces of metal are more easily obtainable then other forms of weaponry, and most people can't be bothered learning to fight with their damn bodies instead of hunks of minerals.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I'm talking about very close quarters here. A decent punch would probably reach the target in half a second or less - Leaning back isnt a problem, you could push forward with a jab fairly easily
I do a lot of sparring (around 3-5 hours a week) just so you know

As a different question, what martial arts?

Fair play, if you're confident enough with yourself and the situation then give them hell I guess. Just dont miss

I've done muay thai, judo, ju jit su, tai kwon do, freestyle kickboxing and also looked into escrima, kapoeara (i dunno how to spell that one lol), wing chun and jeet kun do.

Heh, its a long time hobby of mine.

 

[function9]

I study Mande Muda, Pekiti Tirsia and Wing Chun.

 

[xombine]

 

[Krynn72]

 

[Azner]

if someone held me up with a gun, i'd throw my wallet at them. the closest i ever got to that is when i was with some friends a couple years ago and some other kids tried to jump us - but there were 4 of us and 2 of them, and they ran away when both one of my friends and I pulled knives.

then your wallet hits him in the eye and he soots you D:

GIMME ALL UR MONEY OR IM CALLING THE POLICE!