Source Multiplayer Info

[moonkids]

Well it looks like Rick is copy-and-pasting a stock answer to multiplayer questions at this point (not that I blame him). Two people have already pasted it on the "info from valve" thread, so I won't be redundant and put my email there. The reply is interesting enough to start a thread on, though, IMHO.

Here's what Rick had to say (to at least three of us):

The Source engine contains support for multiplayer gaming, and Valve
plans to release several multiplayer games at the time HL2 is made
available. This week we've announced Counter-Strike: Source. We will be
more releasing information on the other games and how they will be made
available to gamers in the coming weeks.

Rick
Valve

 

[Mr. Redundant]

because after E3, and after thousands of CS players heard a CS:source version was in the works...... you can imagine his mailbox.

its better than ignoring the question, or simply saying "no comment / I cannot comment on this"
because nothing has changed... if Valve wanted us to know something we would know it...
they still dont want to spoil their awesome HL2 multiplayer portion, by letting people in on it.. think of the ports as a diversion to get people to calm down on asking about MP.. at least thats what I think of it as.

 

[SMT]

...and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. He said we'll get more info about multiplayer soon and I'm sure we will.

 

[Wesisapie]

"source supports multiplayer", i dont like the sound of that. it kind of implies that there is no default hl2 multiplayer... notice how he specifies source rather than hl2. i think they're going to just make multiplayer games on source with steam rather than hl2 multiplayer. so people have to pay subscription.
remember the hl2 sp, hl2 sp + mp, hl 2 CE threads, it's making a bit more sense now.
hl2 is just hl2, because hl2 has no mp. hl2 + mp is just that. hl2 (sp), plus a bunch of mods and crap for source (eg tf2).

sounds a little dodgey. probably wrong anyway

 

[Mr. Redundant]

"source supports multiplayer", i dont like the sound of that. it kind of implies that there is no default hl2 multiplayer... notice how he specifies source rather than hl2. i think they're going to just make multiplayer games on source with steam rather than hl2 multiplayer. so people have to pay subscription.
remember the hl2 sp, hl2 sp + mp, hl 2 CE threads, it's making a bit more sense now.
hl2 is just hl2, because hl2 has no mp. hl2 + mp is just that. hl2 (sp), plus a bunch of mods and crap for source (eg tf2).

sounds a little dodgey. probably wrong anyway

holy crap.. I hope you arent onto something....

as I said that would be ridiculous if HL2 had no real mp except for ports... I mean why all the HUSH HUSH then?
and gordon said last E3 that he was playing MP HL2... and at this years E3 he said "something we have been doing lately" and also 'the last couple months"... when will the confusion end?!

 

[goldenboi]

holy crap.. I hope you arent onto something....


and gordon said last E3 that he was playing MP HL2

I thought he couldn't talk /heehee :imu:

 

[Soundwave]

"source supports multiplayer", i dont like the sound of that. it kind of implies that there is no default hl2 multiplayer... notice how he specifies source rather than hl2. i think they're going to just make multiplayer games on source with steam rather than hl2 multiplayer. so people have to pay subscription.
remember the hl2 sp, hl2 sp + mp, hl 2 CE threads, it's making a bit more sense now.
hl2 is just hl2, because hl2 has no mp. hl2 + mp is just that. hl2 (sp), plus a bunch of mods and crap for source (eg tf2).

sounds a little dodgey. probably wrong anyway

I made an exact thread on this back when CS Source was first unveiled. I still expect I'm right.

 

[Letters]

Sounds right... but I hope it's wrong.

 

[Cole]

I seriously think Sven-Co Op 2 shoudl the the HL2 Mutliplayer, i mean the mod for regular HL is cool. Now make a source version of it add more features and you got yourself a kick ass multiplayer .

 

[Mr. Redundant]

I thought he couldn't talk /heehee :imu:

bah Gabe, there goes my credibility... damn distractions from outside sources.....
wait I never had any credibility.. wewt

 

[Apos]

Isn't there a post in the info thread about gabe where he talks about playing the MP a lot? Can anyone find it?

 

[iamaelephant]

Man I wish Valve would just clear things up. One thing is for sure, I wont be paying for HL2 if the multiplayer consists of nothing but re-hashed games I've already thrashed to death.

 

[smwScott]

Not including a multiplayer for Half-Life 2 would be a very bad decision for Valve. It would lead a lot of people towards piracy and would turn away modders (who wants to mod for a game with no real online community?). We don't even know if the Source ports of old stuff will be free, which it certainly should be, especially if there's no HL2 multiplayer. The reason Half-Life was so popular wasn't because of it's single player (although it was good), but because of the online options and extensive amount of mods.

 

[Nasum]

C'mon they have been designing this game for 5 years, if they don't have something up their sleeves i will kiss gabe's sweaty ass crack.

 

[tokin]

C'mon they have been designing this game for 5 years, if they don't have something up their sleeves i will kiss gabe's sweaty ass crack.

Nasum, that was by far the most digusting thing i have heard in awhile, and for some reason im laughing about it.

 

[Neutrino]

I don't see what's so bad about the idea that their might not be any HL2 specific multiplayer. We're going to see so many awesome free mods for this game that I hardly see how it matters.

 

[tokin]

are u kidding?! Valve better have a deathmatch style/teamplay for HL2 with all of the characters! I think they will, why wouldn't they. Also they better be saying some stuff about TF2 after HL2 release.

 

[dys-Fuzzy]

Not including a multiplayer for Half-Life 2 would be a very bad decision for Valve. It would lead a lot of people towards piracy and would turn away modders (who wants to mod for a game with no real online community?). We don't even know if the Source ports of old stuff will be free, which it certainly should be, especially if there's no HL2 multiplayer. The reason Half-Life was so popular wasn't because of it's single player (although it was good), but because of the online options and extensive amount of mods.

I don't see how you're jumping to these two conclusions at all. Generally people warez a game to play the multiplayer, it'll continue to happen while LAN gaming exist.

As for modders; we know there's going to be a massive carry over of gamers from the current HL1 scene. The vast majority of these players are already playing mods. I'd be really interested in seeing the actual figures on the number of pure HL1 DM servers still around... I'm betting there'd be bugger all.

Personally I see valve's rehashing of old mods on the new engine as a wonderful thing for modders working on fresh ideas, since it's opening the door for another mod to go massive like CS did.

 

[moonkids]

To me it is sounding like there won't be any multiplayer bundled with the most basic release of HL2. This doesn't necessarily mean that they won't make a HL2 Deathmatch-style release, but it may cost extra buy. This is fairly annoying for people like me who got the ATI cards with the bundled voucher-- I wasn't expecting to have to pay anything more for this game. If they don't have anything that's actually called "Half-life 2 Multiplayer", then they don't have to give it away free with the voucher, which entitles me to a "free copy of Half-life 2." Sneaky.

The single player is more important to me that multi anyway, but it does have a fairly limited life.

Yeah, no-one really plays HL DM any more-- maybe that's why they've decided to go this way. There are never any servers with a decent ping when I go looking. Which is a shame, 'cause I prefer it to CS and DoD.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[scribblehead]

2 words everybody - 'HL2 bowling' - damn that'd be cool....

Anyhoo since they're keeping mp under major wraps - probably all the way up prior to a few days before the release....i'd say they've got some pretty nifty things up their sleeves, would'nt you say?

I mean i know the D3 unveiling of mp was'nt all that it was cracked up to be, but thats to expect from a developer who essentially created mp gaming.....Id is not expected to revolutionize mp gaming - though valve is.....funny how that works huh?

My take on mp in HL2:.

Since it looks like they're keeping incredibly close to its predescessor and its features, i'd say we atleast can expect...

Deathmatch/team deathmatch - maybe a variety with physics as weapons, i.e using the manipulator.

CTF - thats a given...

Skirmish - maybe an mp game with bots...since they're so damn good

something spectacular......ooooh baby, i just hope its bowling

I might've missed some mp games, but y'all know where i'm getting at here, right?

 

[Duracell]

IF this is the case, I think VALVe is taking the modding community for granted.

Maybe they are taking a
"If we include no real multiplaying option the community will provide it for them and in some case a better experience than they could offer."
sort of stance on it.

I fear if they have taken that stance when it comes to Multiplayer I don't think the modding community are going to react in the way they want

 

[Razor]

It is amazing how you guys can read one thing and then just completely mis-understand everything.

There will be a basic multiplayer i.e. deathmatch, team-deathmatch, etc.

 

[Apos]

Again, the point at which to start worrying or complaining is not now. Valve is keeping mum and we basically just don't know anything.

 

[MoJo|Night]

Yeah there will be normal mp modes I am sure.

I'm still holding out hope for Manipultor Monkey Tennis and game where you chase women round trying to remove their clothes with the manipulator while benny hill music plays in the background.

 

[Axyon]

It is amazing how you guys can read one thing and then just completely mis-understand everything.

There will be a basic multiplayer i.e. deathmatch, team-deathmatch, etc.

You have no evidence to back this up. At the moment, it's all speculation.

 

[Kadayi]

HL² retail package info

Although the costs are pure conjecture, this is what Valve have outlined with respect to the various service releases of the game. So stop all this fretting about HL² multiplayer or lack of. It exists and has since before E3 last year.

Because of the delay Valve have been put into the awkward situation of having to show more footage of the SP game than they originally intended. All of the stuff we have seen from E3 this year was supposed to be discovered by you wholly when playing the game (just like the original.....even now HL¹ still has no trailer) Breen, the fast Zombies, the Hovercraft, the Strider cannon, Roller mines, the people etc.......all of this was intended to be experienced first hand. I'm sure that there will be plenty of surprises left in the game, but keeping the MP under wraps makes some sense in this regard.

Also a CS:Source conversion was always going to happen if you think about it logically, so it makes sense to get it done before the big HL² storm hits.

 

[Razor]

You have no evidence to back this up. At the moment, it's all speculation.

I don't need evidence, you have no evidence to the contrary, i have no evidence to back me up, apart from the abilities of Valve to make a simple deathmatch mode.

 

[Axyon]

I don't need evidence, you have no evidence to the contrary, i have no evidence to back me up, apart from the abilities of Valve to make a simple deathmatch mode.

That's obviously why I said 'It's all speculation', then. I know as much as you do, but I don't go around saying that there will be Deathmatch and Team Deathmatch.

 

[Razor]

That's obviously why I said 'It's all speculation', then. I know as much as you do, but I don't go around saying that there will be Deathmatch and Team Deathmatch.

Apart from the crystal ball on top of the monitor :dozey:

 

[Dougy]

He sent me the exact same reply

"The Source engine contains support for multiplayer gaming, and Valve
plans to release several multiplayer games at the time HL2 is made
available. This week we've announced Counter-Strike: Source. We will be
more releasing information on the other games and how they will be made
available to gamers in the coming weeks.

Rick
Valve

-----Original Message
[********************]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:23 PM
To: Rick Ellis
Subject: E3 presentation question.

Hello Rick,

I eagerly anticipated the HL2 E3 presentation this year and i can safely
say that it lived up to my greatest expectations.

Towards the end of the presentation Valve showed Counter Strike in the
source engine, this seems to have caused some confusion and i was
wondering if you could please shead some light on this aspect.

Ie. will Hl2 Sp&Mp package ship with CS:S as its MP game? or will Hl2
Sp&Mp have something else as its stock MP portion and CS:S be available
through other means?

Thank you for any help you can give,

Dougy from the HL2.net forums."

 

[Gunner]

Let me get this straight: there will be a CS 2 and CS:S right? why not just melt the two in one mold? from my point of view as a cs fan, I'd rather just purchase CS 2 =)

 

[Polykarbon]

If you want to doubt there won't be a stock default multiplayer mode for HL2, then go for it.

The stolen build contains evidence to support multiplayer, but I can't get into it, without talking about the build itself, which is obviously not allowed here. Bla bla you will say OMG don't post info that we arn't supposed to know. Well we do know it, because the build leaked. I don't really see why Valve is still hiding their HL2 multiplayer portion. It must be damn good...

Saying it is all speculation though is partially correct, considering how old the build is. Valve could of taken out all of the multiplayer elements I suppose...although the idea of that is more unlikely then ID Software making an actual game. /Joke