Starcraft 2: Multiplayer

everybody is around mid diamond unless you start going to tournies :p
 
No, there are definite levels of stupid low, low, mid, high, and top end diamond.

There are FAR too many skill level of players in Diamond. Honestly, you can fit at LEAST 3 different leagues just within Diamond.

The only reason everyone identifies themselves as mid diamond is because they are in denial of how terribly bad they actually are despite being in Diamond. (% of Diamond that are actually good is stupid low, by that I mean being less than top 400 = terrible)
 
You know... we're all kind of just elitist pricks. There are other ranks and there are people in them. There are people who have played hundreds of games and are in them. I was just looking around today at them. It's fascinating. It's weird that a 50% win percentage can land you in bronze or platinum depending on the types of games you win. There are people in the top 200 that barely have 60% win percentages. It really is the quality of your wins and losses than the quantity The top 200 has guys who have played less than 150 games and guys that have played over 2000 games. I feel like I'd want to crack that 200 but... I just don't think I can win the big games that make it happen.
 
StarBob said:
You know... we're all kind of just elitist pricks. There are other ranks and there are people in them. There are people who have played hundreds of games and are in them. I was just looking around today at them. It's fascinating. It's weird that a 50% win percentage can land you in bronze or platinum depending on the types of games you win. There are people in the top 200 that barely have 60% win percentages. It really is the quality of your wins and losses than the quantity The top 200 has guys who have played less than 150 games and guys that have played over 2000 games. I feel like I'd want to crack that 200 but... I just don't think I can win the big games that make it happen.
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You do realize that the ELL tries to match your w/l rate to 50% regardless of your ladder league or score?
 
Yea, doesn't matter where you are, system will steer you to a 50% win ratio
 
ktimekiller said:
Yea, doesn't matter where you are, system will steer you to a 50% win ratio
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I know.. that's what I'm saying.. it's a pretty amazing system to have all of those ranks matched to around 50% and the top 200 matched well enough to keep them within a visibly attainable win-loss ratio.
 
15357 said:
Apparently they're adding something called the Grandmaster League for the top 200 players.
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I heard they were adding two leagues. Masters league for like the top 5% and then the league for top 200.

I'd say the point when you start getting good games is around 1900-2000, or in other words start losing a shit ton. I've seen no difference in matches between 800-1500 in diamond.
 
Reading this thread makes me feel downright 'tarded. Imma keep it Silver for all my fellow bads out there.
 
ktimekiller said:
Don't feel bad, 90% of Diamond players suck dick too
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I thought that was 50% of Mac users. TSASING.

But yea being in diamond doesn't really mean you're that good, unless you're in top 200 ofc. In the beta I first got in to silver or something like that. Main difference I noticed between silver to platinum (there was no diamond) was, that in higher ladders people weren't cheesing so much.
 
My micro > my macro memory and upkeep. I suppose macro is silly second nature for players above gold. I get suuuuuuuuuper a.d.d.

Interestingly enough, during an adderal binge I spent some time in upper tier platinum =/
 
I have a tough time keeping up with macro, it's one of those things I gotta keep drilling throughout the game "Check Warpgate Cooldown / Hit 4 to select barracks and check white dots / JUST SPAM ZERGLINGS / etc"

Hell, 90% of the games won are going to be just having more shit than the other guy. You can have cutesy rushes or great micro all you want, but if you get steamrolled, you get steamrolled.
 
God dammit. This is the second time I've sieged a turtling Terran player until he ran out of resources, only to have him pull an epic A-Team From The Garage They Were Captured In and level all my expos with a few Thors and his swarm of all-in SCVs. What is the best way to kill Thors as Zerg?
 
Infestors. Of course friggin infestors. I had the pit and everything too.
 
Yep, Thors are only useful until the opponent gets infestors. I use Thors for AA nevertheless. Before that it's mostly Marauder + Helion; Marauders take care of the Roaches and banelings, Helions will melt away the zerglings. Marauders are heavy armor and with 120HP they can take quite some hits and still live on. Helions are fast and you should micro them to be behind Marauders.

Of course, you're all diamond, so I guess you won't have to take advice from a 1500 Platinum.
 
15357 said:
Yep, Thors are only useful until the opponent gets infestors. I use Thors for AA nevertheless. Before that it's mostly Marauder + Helion; Marauders take care of the Roaches and banelings, Helions will melt away the zerglings. Marauders are heavy armor and with 120HP they can take quite some hits and still live on. Helions are fast and you should micro them to be behind Marauders.

Of course, you're all diamond, so I guess you won't have to take advice from a 1500 Platinum.
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You're Korean, your 1500 Platinum rank is like you being #1 Diamond and we are low Bronze.
 
You can easily make more thors than it is possible for the Zerg to NP, not to mention NP infestors are easily snipped
 
ktimekiller said:
You can easily make more thors than it is possible for the Zerg to NP, not to mention NP infestors are easily snipped
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NP isn't what makes infestors good against thors....You fungal any SCV's that wanna repair, or so they can't corner themselves somewhere, surround with lings and let the Roaches jump in take out any Hellions/Marines that are assholes.

As least, that's what I do and that works wonders. God knows there is no best way to play yet.
 
Roaches are also good, you just need a crap ton of them. Usually I stop the first thor push with huge amount of roaches, if he's still turtling I'll tech straight to brood lords. Oh and mutas work okay for the first push, when he has like a maximum of four thors.
 
Using SCV repair on a thor only works in small armies or in thor rushed pushes.

Sending SCVs as repair really fails at mid-late game unless it is an all in
 
ktimekiller said:
Using SCV repair on a thor only works in small armies or in thor rushed pushes.

Sending SCVs as repair really fails at mid-late game unless it is an all in
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Yeah SCV's are both difficult to manage and use effectively in mid-late. I mean granted they can make some difference, but they're pretty much unselectable in an army (especially around thors) so you have to have them hotkeyed and that's just another hotkey. If you're down to like a couple thors or something though and you have like 8 scvs... those thors turn into like 10 thors. I really should start playing this again. I havne't played since the last patch and I'm concerned I will be killed by a lot of zerg. I don't think an early mass marine can kill a zerg as effectively as before. I mean... without banelings around.

As for the macro vs micro... I think macro wins out. If you can maximize your resources and units, especially early on, you have a clear advantage even over well micro'd units. I mean at the end of the day if you have 10-20% more units, they can dip, dodge and dive but you can still blow them away. The balance shifts as the game goes on though. If you can properly micro siege tanks or medivacs or things of that nature like a champion, you're going to be a lot better off.

I still say if you're trying to learn one or the other to go for macro first... because it doesn't take long for it to become kind of instinctive. Micro is far more situational.
 
Yeah, can't have micro if you don't have units.
 
ktimekiller said:
Using SCV repair on a thor only works in small armies or in thor rushed pushes.

Sending SCVs as repair really fails at mid-late game unless it is an all in
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I REALLY hope nobody thought I was talking about mid - late game....

*EDIT* Infesters with FG would take out the Hellions or Bio with the Thors anyway. Hell, it would even make the push coming at you even slower, just FG the Thors. That will give you a bunch of time to build an army.
 
After the first few FG, Terran should be scanning ahead of him so the infestors blow up before they get in range to FG. Only a temp solution for mid-late game
 
Why do you keep nit-picking one tiny part of my sentence just to throw your wild debunking skills into play?

Are you still hellbent on making sure every knows you're the god given skilled ktimekiller in Diamond?

Two fungal growths is, what, around 30 seconds? That's almost an entire production cycle on most units. With 2 or 3 hatcheries injected already, you have a better defense then if you didn't FG.
 
Well, the FGs are likely to overlap in time because of the size of terran armies, so really it is only a single wave of FG before you cant do it without losing infestors in the process.

And I am being picky because this isn't some casual game, and considering that this is MP discussion, not sissy lets have fun land discussion, I don't see why I shouldn't correct wrong assumptions.
 
No, you're taking one of my points completely out of context to make some point that is irrelevant to what I said. Watch, I can play your debunk game too.

A competent zerg won't have the FG's overlap, and will sure as shit not send both in at the same time to sac both of them. You can fungal one group, run away and possibly live. If it's bio, medivac energy drop. Send the next one up during their next move. As long as you keep proper vision on them, you can see when they unseige/move out. Then move the next infestor up and FG again, thus causing them to stop yet again, or just let part of their army behind. Hell, if they leave it behind, speedling flank can take em out, causing them to retreat or sac those units.

Which, my entire POINT was fungal growth to gain a little bit of time for the next production cycle of units to come out. And you will be hard stretched to find anybody with half a mind to disagree with that. Zerg are a reaction race, and FG just goes to help that.
 
I never argued that FG didn't buy Zerg time, my point was the limitations of FG in mid-late game unless you are willing to sacrifice your infestors.

There is no way in hell a single FG can catch enough units for a mid-late game terran army for him to just stop pursuit. When I said times overlap, I mean that you need more than 1 FG to stop a terran army. You cant count a single FG as being effective as its full duration for the entirety of the terrans army.
 
You can't argue that every little bit helps, especially if you see you don't have enough to stop it. Proper response is "Don't be under-prepared" but hell, you can't be ahead at all times.

And you're right, just one isn't going to stop a whole army, but we need to stop arguing mid-late game, since very few people are going to reach that point and keep composure. Pretty much everything that has been discussed is Early-Mid game, obviously.
 
I understand that, but if one is thinking about taking this game even remotely seriously, they should try to play as it should be, not as it is.
 
Wow, get off your high horse man. 99% of the people in this thread are casuals, including yourself. you're not superior, you're average. Go to TeamLiquid to talk superior strats, this game is fun to those of us who are in this thread.
Sry you believe you're pro at this game.
 
MorganFreeman911 said:
If you start in one league, can you go up a league if you do well?
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Yes, once you get better you rise up in leagues and if you get worse, you drop :p . Thats the only way to get to Diamond.

One thing I've been seeing in high level replays (ZvP) is that when the terran mech ball moves out you just move and go kill his base. Mech is so frigging slow that you'll easily have the time to go nuke his expansion. The bio isn't slow, but the terran will surely lose if he leaves mech behind.

Moving on! Just got past 1600 in diamond. And to my surprise ZvP completely changed! Like 80% of the games now start with phoenix harrash in to colossus/void ray. If ZvT changes this much as well it's going to take some time to rise. I'll set my self a goal to get to 2000 before xmas, unless there's a ladder reset :D
 
Well, no I am not casual. The only game I play is SC2, I spend practically 100% of my free time doing something SC2 related. Not as hardcore as I wish I could be though, because I simply don't have the time to play. If I could, I would be one of those guys pumping 1k+ games into ladder.

I also know I am not pro, remember where I said 1600 is just breaking mid diamond? Notice how I am not 1600? Notice how I don't even have 200 1v1 games?

I am merely trying correcting the casual approach that some people in this thread have at this game.

You are seriously playing the wrong game pitz for all this casual attitude.

Take your anger elsewhere, because you are honestly getting angry over nothing.
 
Nah, it's cool dude, you're taking this thread WAY to seriously. We are here to talk about EVERYTHING sc2 multiplayer, including fun and NON SERIOUS strats. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your mold, but that's to be expected on SRS BSNS. I'm not pissed at YOU, I'm pissed at your superior attitude. You can deny it if you really want, but I've not talked to a single hl2.netter that doesn't agree with me. Sorry, you're an ass.

@ Alex: You move up whenever bnet decides you can. Win games, get better, you'll move up.

*EDIT* wait, I'm playing the wrong game because I have a 'casual attitude'? Man, you are stuck too far up your own ass.
 
My attitude is nothing beyond simply taking the game very seriously.

Considering SC2 is what it is, I see no fault in that
 
Taking it seriously: VERY GOOD. I take it rather seriously at times too, ask everybody else that I play with.

Being an asshole about it? Just plain ridiculous.

@FREEMAN: Hope that key Quix got ya is working out well. Hit me up on MSN or Steam and I'll shoot ya my bnet info to add.
 
Way to push this thread towards closer even closer. Plz go away.

*NOTE IM TRYING TO KEEP THIS ON TOPIC*

I'm angry I saw the spoiler with my first IDRA game on the round of 64 GSL. He can win or lose, I care not, I JUST WANNA WATCH IT HAPPEENNN
 
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