Strange thing about Iraq

[Sgt_Shellback]

You volunteered, smartass. If you really want to pursue an isolacionist policy, then stop invading other countries.

Oh I see... When it suits you. You want us to be damned with what anyone else thinks, what the UN thinks, and we should step in and help.

But if it suits us you're too busy... I C

 

[blahblahblah]

You volunteered, smartass. If you really want to pursue an isolacionist policy, then stop invading other countries.

We saw how well that policy worked out. Hilter, anybody?

 

[Sprafa]

You must be the greatest communist I have ever seen as well.

You're so blind you can't see I'm a populist.

You are telling me it is more fair to charge Bush Sr. who has 19 crimes on his plate than Saddam who had thousands of crimes on his plate because he was more accessable?

No. I'm telling you neither presented themselves. But Saddam actually had an excuse, because he refutated the UN when they invaded him.

The War Crimes were caused by the war. How do you know that no other country participated in a conspiracy to take down Hussein and willfully initiate military conflict?

I don't. But that's not the point is it?

 

[Sprafa]

We saw how well that policy worked out. Hitler, anybody?

I hate isolacionist policies. But right now the USA is pursuing one. Closing the borders and dismissing the UN is my idea of isolacionist policy.

 

[blahblahblah]

You're so blind you can't see I'm a populist.

No. I'm telling you neither presented themselves. But Saddam actually had an excuse, because he refutated the UN when they invaded him.

I don't. But that's not the point is it?

I think you are the one who is blind. A populist? Have you ever liked America? Are you jealous of what we stand for? You must have loved Clinton then, wait he did military action as well. :/

He refutated? He was invading a foreign country to take it over. If I ever become president of the US, I am taking over Canada so I can't charged with war crimes.

 

[blahblahblah]

I hate isolacionist policies. But right now the USA is pursuing one. Closing the borders and dismissing the UN is my idea of isolacionist policy.

That is not isolationsim.

The current foreign policy we have right now is eerily reminescent to European foreign policy before WWI.

 

[Sprafa]

Oh I see... When it suits you. You want us to be damned with what anyone else thinks, what the UN thinks, and we should step in and help.

But if it suits us you're too busy... I C

How can anyone twist my words that badly.

What I said was that you should care a lot more with what everyone thinks. the UN represents the countries. only 1 country, Russia, vetoed in the UNSC to take action in the Balkans. The entire world was for action, and many nations of the world contributed. If I'm not wrong many EU countries sent troops in.

 

[Sprafa]

That is not isolationsim.

The current foreign policy we have right now is eerily reminescent to European foreign policy before WWI.

That worked just right didn't it?

 

[blahblahblah]

That worked just right didn't it?

What caused WWI, then?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

How can anyone twist my words that badly.

What I said was that you should care a lot more with what everyone thinks. the UN represents the countries. only 1 country, Russia, vetoed in the UNSC to take action in the Balkans. The entire world was for action, and many nations of the world contributed. If I'm not wrong many EU countries sent troops in.

Why do we have to care about EU problems?

 

[Sprafa]

I think you are the one who is blind. A populist? Have you ever liked America? Are you jealous of what we stand for? You must have loved Clinton then, wait he did military action as well. :/

He refutated? He was invading a foreign country to take it over. If I ever become president of the US, I am taking over Canada so I can't charged with war crimes.

I liked Clinton. I liked Reagan. I liked George Bush Sr.


George Bush is so far one of the only US presidents I did not like.

 

[blahblahblah]

I liked Clinton. I liked Reagan. I liked George Bush Sr.


George Bush is so far one of the only US presidents I did not like.

You are trying to tell me that everybody was okay with the US before this Iraq war?

I don't think so.

 

[CptStern]

Why was Saddam Hussein never arrested and tried for war/humanitarian crimes back then? Double standard perhaps? Maybe your hatred for Bush is a little to blind. Don't call him guilty unless you are willing to call everybody who has done something wrong guilty as well.

You should probably charge other countries for supporting the first Gulf War as well.

please read the actual document instead of just skimming the titles. The charges are specific to the US; the use of banned weapons, civilian targeting, Highway of death etc

the UN tried to have saddam tried but we're blocked .....by THE US!

"Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of "no decision" on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue"

 

[Sprafa]

Why do we have to care about EU problems?

OMFG....

You don't. But you did. Because it wasn't an EU policy, it wasn't an european problem.

It was a problem of the World. And that's your freaking problem for not seeing it.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

You are trying to tell me that everybody was okay with the US before this Iraq war?

I don't think so.

Actually there's some truth in that... Up to the Iraq and afghanistan war the world loved us.. We solved all their problems like Sprafa stated...

 

[Sprafa]

You are trying to tell me that everybody was okay with the US before this Iraq war?

I don't think so.

Hell no.

I'm trying to tell you most of the people were okay and even friendly loving of the USA.

Right now it's the other way around.

 

[CptStern]

Actually there's some truth in that... Up to the Iraq and afghanistan war the world loved us.. We sloved all their problems like Sprafa stated...

oh ya people were just thrilled with US involvement in panama, niceragua, Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador, East timor, congo etc etc etc

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

oh ya people were just thrilled with US involvement in panama, niceragua, Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador, East timor, congo etc etc etc

Yeah... <sigh> Reagan was a great man.

 

[Sprafa]

oh ya people were just thrilled with US involvement in panama, niceragua, Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador, East timor, congo etc etc etc

Panama is a bad example but the rest was quite necessary.

 

[blahblahblah]

please read the actual document instead of just skimming the titles. The charges are specific to the US; the use of banned weapons, civilian targeting, Highway of death etc

the UN tried to have saddam tried but we're blocked .....by THE US!

"Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of "no decision" on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue"

I'm sorry, I'm trying to respond to this thread and read this

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and it goes on for 7+ more pages.

Doesn't this mean the UN is ineffective then? It can't accomplish its goals.

 

[Sprafa]

Doesn't this mean the UN is ineffective then? It can't accomplish its goals.

It's innefective because of the USA.

 

[blahblahblah]

Hell no.

I'm trying to tell you most of the people were okay and even friendly loving of the USA.

Right now it's the other way around.

I disagree with that again. Everybody who I have talked has said that foreign countries never embraced Americans with open arms. Foreign countries only embrace us because of our money. :/

 

[blahblahblah]

It's innefective because of the USA.

So you want the USA removed from the UN? How would that affect the ability of the UN then loosing a major backbone? Would China or Russia stick around? Neither of those countries enjoy the UN as well.

 

[Sprafa]

So you want the USA removed from the UN? How would that affect the ability of the UN then loosing a major backbone? Would China or Russia stick around? Neither of those countries enjoy the UN as well.

I'm just saying the USA is pursuing the wrong policy, and they should change it at once.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Back to the topic... (Well the latest topic) The UN declared war on NK... Never achieved victory and never surrenderd. They left 36,000 Americans behind.

When NK was going for Nukes the UN looked to the US to cut a deal to give them a reactor...(I wonder why France or Germany didn't step up and take that one for the UN team. How about Portugal?) NK didn't even try to live up to their end of the deal... Weapons have been made.. Missle and guidance systems are being finalized...

What is it the world wants from the US to solve this now? Supply them with oil? The soviet Union produces plenty of oil, and as communist buddies why don't they take care of it?

How about China? Nope they don't want to help the NK's either...

Looks like another quagmire the US will have to get the UN out of.

 

[Sprafa]

I disagree with that again. Everybody who I have talked has said that foreign countries never embraced Americans with open arms. Foreign countries only embrace us because of our money. :/

I never stated the reason, but the as far as I can it's been a long time since there was no such massive anti-american policy demonstrations in the so-called "allies" and even worst during US Presidential visits.

Forget about the money man, they don't give a shit about that anymore.

 

[Sprafa]

Back to the topic... (Well the latest topic) The UN declared war on NK... Never achieved victory and never surrenderd. They left 36,000 Americans behind.

When NK was going for Nukes the UN looked to the US to cut a deal to give them a reactor...(I wonder why France or Germany didn't step up and take that one for the UN team) NK didn't even try to live up to their end of the deal... Weapons have been made.. Missle and guidance systems are being finalized...

What is it the world wants from the US to solve this now? Supply them with oil? The soviet Union produces plenty of oil, and as communist buddies why don't they take care of it?

How about China? Nope they don't want to help the NK's either...

Looks like another quagmire the US will have to get the UN out of.

The UN has nothing to do with the North Korean bussiness. The USA failed to do their job, not the UN.

And China is receiving/visiting Kim-Jong II from time to time and advising him to give up the nuclear program.

ffs, the UN was Roosevelt's dream. How can you deny the true American dream!?!?

The USA is supposed to pay the bills for the World. You want to be the Big Boss, then start paying!

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

The UN has nothing to do with the North Korean bussiness. The USA failed to do their job, not the UN.

The Korean war was declared by the UN

It was the first test of the UN since the League of Nations floundered... The UN was supposed to better than the League in that it could direct militiary resources of member states... Mostly American of course but our boys were sent into the fray.

Most Americans at the time couldn't even find Korea on a map yet we were sent by the UN to defend the South.

 

[Sprafa]

The Korean war was declared by the UN

50 years ago.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

50 years ago.

Quagmire = UN

 

[Sprafa]

Answer me!

Are you really going to step back on Roosevelt's dream!?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Answer me!

Are you really going to step back on Roosevelt's dream!?

It was more than just Roosevelts dream... But the Military side of the UN has obviously not been strong enough or used wisely enough... Look at the list of resolutions that have been ignored for years and years...

Had Saadam believed the UN was a force to be reckoned with we wouldn't have had a first Gulf war.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Again I'll say that the UN failed it's first real test in Korea... McArthur had to be fired because he so wanted a victory but our President wanted to abide by UN decsion to lay in a stalemate on the 38th paralell...

Good Job UN...

 

[Sprafa]

Again I'll say that the UN failed it's first real test in Korea... McArthur had to be fired because he so wanted a victory but our President wanted to abide by UN decsion to lay in a stalemate on the 38th paralell...

Good Job UN...

Korea was Communist-Capitalist war test. the UN was used, as the USA always does, to justify the catastrophe.

 

[Sprafa]

Had Saadam believed the UN was a force to be reckoned with we wouldn't have had a first Gulf war.

Saddam invaded Kuwait because he believed that without the SU no one would go all the way to Iraq to get him.

The USA did, and the world thanked.

 

[blahblahblah]

The USA did, and the world thanked.

But they charged Bush Sr. with war crimes...

 

[Sprafa]

But they charged Bush Sr. with war crimes...

Well, there are some things in the war that are discussable.

 

[CptStern]

Panama is a bad example but the rest was quite necessary.

el salvador, haiti, and the rest were not necessary

on the advice of cia operatives, Salvadorian troops raped and murdered 3 american nuns. Oscar Romero, archbishop of San salvador asks Jimmy Carter to stop funding the murder of his people ...a few days later he is murdered by a local on CIA payroll

Haiti - the CIA put into power the notorious "Baby Doc" Duvalier known for using torture and murder to control it's populace, when he was overthrown and the citizens of Haiti demanded his trial, the CIA set him up in france under an assumed name ..the US also overthrew democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide

Honduras: CIA trains Honduras’ notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these CIA techniques to torture thousands of dissidents


Niceragua: CIA overthrows government, puts dictator Anastasios Samoza in charge


oh and anyone care to comment about the US blocking a UN led resolution to charge Saddam with war crimes during his most brutal period? circa 1984?

 

[Sprafa]

East Timor was necessary!

But I know about Saddam-US connections, I mean Rumsfeld visited him.

http://peteashton.com/library/pics/saddam_rumsfeld_large.jpg

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Saddam invaded Kuwait because he believed that without the SU no one would go all the way to Iraq to get him.

The USA did, and the world thanked.

Really? I received a thank-you from Kuwait, my President, his commanders... No one else.