Student Taserd for not having ID

Cops are allowed to use their tasers to subdue an uncooperative individual. The guy was uncooperative and that's why he got tasered. I'd like to know how you concluded that tasers ought to be used only in situations in which the physical integrity of an officer or a civilian are threatened. I believe that's what guns are for. I'd also like to know how you concluded that the student was unarmed. Since he tried to prevent the cops from touching him, he also tried to prevent the cops from searching him for weapons. Plus a resonable person would not react that way when they are asked to stop an activity they know they shouldn't be doing (ie: using a computer without showing his ID), so the cops had reason to believe that this guy might have been up to something.
 
The kid was an idiot but that was still ****ed up.
 
zleppelin said:
Cops are allowed to use their tasers to subdue an uncooperative individual. The guy was uncooperative and that's why he got tasered. I'd like to know how you concluded that tasers ought to be used only in situations in which the physical integrity of an officer or a civilian are threatened. I believe that's what guns are for. I'd also like to know how you concluded that the student was unarmed. Since he tried to prevent the cops from touching him, he also tried to prevent the cops from searching him for weapons. Plus a resonable person would not react that way when they are asked to stop an activity they know they shouldn't be doing (ie: using a computer without showing his ID), so the cops had reason to believe that this guy might have been up to something.
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If I banned you for whatever reason, and you weren't allowed back, do you think it's fair that I cause you intense pain multiple times because you made another account and refused to leave?

There's irony here.
 
zleppelin said:
Cops are allowed to use their tasers to subdue an uncooperative individual. The guy was uncooperative and that's why he got tasered. I'd like to know how you concluded that tasers ought to be used only in situations in which the physical integrity of an officer or a civilian are threatened. I believe that's what guns are for. I'd also like to know how you concluded that the student was unarmed. Since he tried to prevent the cops from touching him, he also tried to prevent the cops from searching him for weapons. Plus a resonable person would not react that way when they are asked to stop an activity they know they shouldn't be doing (ie: using a computer without showing his ID), so the cops had reason to believe that this guy might have been up to something.
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Such as robbing a bank? Terrorism?
On a libary computer?

I have this argument with my brother all the time about who gets to use the computer, perhaps I should Taser him in future.
 
Yeah knghenry. You're only making it worse on yourself for when you get deported back to Germany.
 
in my opinion you don't have the right to taser a person who is flat on the ground in an obviously vulnerable position in the unlikely event that he did pose a threat to them while he was standing he obviously wasnt doing anything while he was flat on the ground at which point they could have easily hand cuffed him and taken him out of the university but instead they chose to ask a clearly incapacitated victim to get up and chose to taser him repeatedly because he didn't/couldn't comply . even if he chose to stay on the floor despite being able to physically stand up he still didn't pose a threat to the people around him so there was really no reason to taser him so many times they were just abusing their authority.
 
maybe the cops thought the student would bite their ankles ...those ankle bites can be deadly
 
zleppelin said:
Cops are allowed to use their tasers to subdue an uncooperative individual. The guy was uncooperative and that's why he got tasered. I'd like to know how you concluded that tasers ought to be used only in situations in which the physical integrity of an officer or a civilian are threatened. I believe that's what guns are for. I'd also like to know how you concluded that the student was unarmed. Since he tried to prevent the cops from touching him, he also tried to prevent the cops from searching him for weapons. Plus a resonable person would not react that way when they are asked to stop an activity they know they shouldn't be doing (ie: using a computer without showing his ID), so the cops had reason to believe that this guy might have been up to something.
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Where the hell are you digging this shit up, lemonking. There was absolutely mention of him resisting a search. So stop making crap up to justify your rationale. Again, he was leaving the library and he was not a threat to anybody. The possibility that he might have been armed is irrelevant because, as far as is known, no attempt of a search was conducted.

"Uncooperative" is not some catch-all term. You can be uncooperative by actively resisting officers. You can be uncooperative by just being rude. You can be uncooperative through physical force or verbally. There are situations where a taser should be applied, and this is not one of them. There were a number of steps that could have been taken before jumping straight for the weapon. How is it possible that you cannot understand this?

But enough of this bullshit. How about you address the few tiny aspects you're refusing to do so.

Were repeated tasings necessary?
Was it appropriate to use the taser as a cattle prod to make him stand up?
Were tasings necessary when the student was already handcuffed and immobile?

The answer to all these questions should be a resounding "No". If you can't address the situation as a whole, then don't bother in the first place.
 
no, zleppelin is Knghenry not lemonking ..Enema is lemonking
 
he means aenema, which is a tool album
 
As far as I can tell the officers were within legal right to taser him. They can use the tasers to taze people who are not cooperating and are out of control. Before they tazed him you could hear him yelling and obviously not cooperating. It is still hard to tell since we are missing more details so we can't really say either way. It is entirely possible he swung at an officer or did something else to escalate the ID check into something more serious. However tasering him multiple times because he wouldn't stand up is probally not entirely legal. After being tazed it is hard to stand up so they should have had him roll over on his belly and cuff him then handle it from there. So with that alone we can assume that they did cross the barrier and because they were asking something unreasonable and tasering him when he didn't comply with it means they were breaking the law.

Also note that this is far from an isolated case. Search tasers on youtube and there are other videos of people being tazered by cops for resisting arrest/not cooperating.
 
We still don't know the whole story.

I mean, where were the hall monitors, why weren't they on top of this?

Did he have a bathroom pass?
 
I just watched the video again. In the beggining you can hear him yelling "Get off me" which means he was resisting arrest.

When we finally get a shot and can see him he is handcuffed. At that point it doesn't look like he is trying to break free but just cant stand up. They taser a handcuffed individual.
 
He was resisting arrest throughout the whole thing. Even when handcuffed he wasnt moving. And you CAN move after being tazered. It just very temporarily paralyzes you so you fall down. After a couple seconds you can move again.


EDIT: Oh and also...

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Glirk Dient said:
I just watched the video again. In the beggining you can hear him yelling "Get off me" which means he was resisting arrest.

When we finally get a shot and can see him he is handcuffed. At that point it doesn't look like he is trying to break free but just cant stand up. They taser a handcuffed individual.
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Why did the cops try to force him out of there, wasn't he leaving anyway?
 
AJ Rimmer said:
Why did the cops try to force him out of there, wasn't he leaving anyway?
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Supposedly. But the Article makes note that the guy didnt leave when first asked. So it could very well be that he was just saying he was leaving when in fact he wasnt.

I could say "Im getting off the computer right now!!!" and stay on for 2 more hours... which means I wasnt actually getting off.

Oh and also... it sounds to me like he was provoking it. Why would he start protesting about the patriot act if it wasnt already thinking of saying that? I know that I for sure wouldnt have been thinking of the patriot act after I just got tazered. I would be saying "WOW that really ****ing hurt!! Im gunna do what they say so it doesnt happen again"

That compounded with the fact that he COULD have gotten up and left after the first tazer makes me think he was trying to prove something... and that everyone bought it.
 
Ænema said:
No :-\


I would just escorting people/prisoners and doing bitch work (cleaning)
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a friend of mine has that job ..he's a hothead police-wanna be who's slightly cowardly so he uses macho activities to make himself feel better ...nice guy though


there is some prisoner beating involved
 
Raziaar said:
Whatever the case me be in regards to that, their behavior towards the rest of the students is unwarranted... Threatening to taser for asking them their badge ID and stuff? They need to be penalized, possibly fired.
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I've had plenty of cops yell at the drive through person when I was working at A&W because they didn't get free coffee or something
 
Thread title is misleading. And the kid deserved it for being a douchenozzle.
 
maybe the cops just wanted to have fun! *zap* "ahahahahaha!!" *zap* "ahahahahaha!" *kick, zap, stab, poke, BANG!* "ahahahaha!"
/twisted
 
This is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. Instead of tazering this guy multiple times, they could have just draged him out. Thoes "officers" if you could even call them that anymore, diserve time in jail for assault.
 
Has anyone here ever been electrocuted? I'm guessing no. I used to work on a farm with lots of electric fences designed to stop 2000+ lb cattle. I would occasionally accidentally touch these electric fences, and get knocked flat on my back.

Did I then lie on the ground moaning like a little girl? No, I stood back up and got back to work.
Tasers work the same way. They knock you down for a second, get you to chill. Then you get back up again, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TASER'D AGAIN, DON'T RESIST THE OFFICER AND DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO

Getting taser'd isn't the worse thing that could happen to you. I'd rather get taser'd and then walk out of the building then get dragged kicking and screaming, which is:
A. Humiliating
B. Painful
C. More liable to cause harm than a taser

Tasers do no permanent damage, only hurt for a couple seconds, hell, sometimes people taser each other FOR FUN.
Can't be all that damn bad. It hurts alot for a couple seconds, THEN IT'S OVER. And you DO WHAT THE OFFICER SAYS unless you want to get shocked again.

BUT NO OMG LET'S HATE TEH EVIIL BIG BROTHER!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DUMBASSES UNITE!
 
MiccyNarc said:
Has anyone here ever been electrocuted? I'm guessing no. I used to work on a farm with lots of electric fences designed to stop 2000+ lb cattle. I would occasionally accidentally touch these electric fences, and get knocked flat on my back.

Did I then lie on the ground moaning like a little girl? No, I stood back up and got back to work.
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you werent in the process of being arrested ..ever been arrested? I have, they're not nice

MiccyNarc said:
Tasers work the same way. They knock you down for a second, get you to chill. Then you get back up again, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TASER'D AGAIN, DON'T RESIST THE OFFICER AND DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO
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self preservation and if you've ever had any contact with cops you know not to tust them

MiccyNarc said:
Getting taser'd isn't the worse thing that could happen to you. I'd rather get taser'd and then walk out of the building then get dragged kicking and screaming, which is:
A. Humiliating
B. Painful
C. More liable to cause harm than a taser

BUT NO OMG LET'S HATE TEH EVIIL BIG BROTHER!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DUMBASSES UNITE!
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it doesnt matter, if you feel it's unjust you will do everything to put your point across
 
you werent in the process of being arrested ..ever been arrested? I have, they're not nice
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I'm not a dumbass that acts like a 5 year old kid. You did watch the video, didn't you?
self preservation and if you've ever had any contact with cops you know not to tust them
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What the hell stern, you have to know better than this.
It's very simple: If you don't want to get hurt, do what the officer says. Don't lie on the ground like a 5 year old that got their favorite toy taken away and is throwing a temper tantrum.
it doesnt matter, if you feel it's unjust you will do everything to put your point across
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Okay, then don't bitch when you get taser'd a dozen times for resisting an officer of the law. It's to be expected.
Has something to do with this radical concept known as "consequences"
 
I did watch the video you cant see anything ..however some things are clear: they had him on the ground they could easily pick him up after they had tazered him ..the whole point of a tazer is to subdue .they use it as an offensive weapon and threaten him multiple times
 
I don't think it was bad that he was tazered at first, but using it more than once was stupid and borderline assault. And threatening the kid(at 6:35sec) in the white shirt was out of line too.
 
Video of an officer being tasered for demostration purposes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUjnJBHIZc&NR
Notice that the participant is not immobilized after being tasered.

Video of a dog being tasered after it tried to bite a police officer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWFBp34zS6E&mode=related&search=
The dog was immobilized for no more than three seconds, then it stood up and ran away.

Video of a drunk driver being tasered several times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycsQe1F-sE&mode=related&search=
Notice that the man tried to stand up again and again after being tasered.

It seems that the UCLA kid could have stood up after being tasered the first time, and been cooperative, but chose not to.
 
that really is besides the point .Doing it once may have been justified but after that all they had to do is hand cuff him and take him out but instead they chose to taser him repeatedly and create a scene..
 
As some of you know, I have been a police officer for almost 10 years. I carry a TASER, and have for over a year. In order to be able to carry the TASER, I had to be TASE'd. It sucked. Bad. Real bad. In the time I've carried it, I've never had to use it, because most times when people see the red dot, they know exactly what comes next and they generally comply. Plus I made detective soon after I got the TASER and have much less confrontational contacts with citizens now.

Anyway, I watched the video, and I saw nothing which seemed excessive or uncalled for. Most departments, mine included, have a Use of Force Continuum. What this does is give guidelines for appropriate levels of force in response to levels of resistance. The first level of force on ours is officer presence. The mere presence of an officer in uniform is often enough to defuse a potentially hostile situation. The next level is verbal persuasion. These officers can plainly be heard giving verbal warnings to the subject several times before the first deployment of the TASER. They can be heard giving verbal warnings prior to each additional TASING as well. The next level, for us anyway, is either OC (pepper spray) or TASING. Which you use depends on the circumstances. This level of force corresponds with verbal resistance. This subject can plainly be heard yelling and verbally resisting the officers. From there it goes to hands on, various levels of joint manipulations, impact weapons and finally deadly force. The thing to remember is that you do not have to go through each step of the continuum, and the use of force must cease once the subject is under control and compliant. Just because a subject is handcuffed does not mean he is under control. I know of one instance where a handcuffed subject escaped, stole a van and led our officers on a high speed chase, all while still handcuffed. He was able to drive at speeds of over 100mph and at one point called his mom on a cell phone which had been left in the van, while handcuffed and driving like an idiot.

I don't know for sure, but the impression I got from watching this video was that this kid was intentionally challenging the Patriot Act requirement that ID be shown, and he even yellls about it. He was protesting, in effect. He has a right to protest. He does not, however, have ANY right to resist the police. He succeeded in making the big scene he apparently intended to make, but I can almost guarantee you that he will not have the satisfaction of seeing the officers disciplined, nor will any Federal lawsuit he files stand up. The judge will look at the video and throw it out right off the bat. I have been sued in Fedral court myself once for alleged excessive force, and it was thrown out when the suspect admitted in his criminal trial that he lied about the use of force in order to have a bargaining chip to try to broker a deal with the prosecution, i.e. "Hey I'll drop this lawsuit if you give me 5 years instead of the 30 I'm looking at." He ended up getting 30......

As for the, "Why can't 3 big burly officers handle him without having to resort to the use of a weapon," argument, well, would you rather have 3 big burly officers beating the shit out of him, causing potentially permanent harm to him as well as risking injury themselves, or one officer TASING him, causing no injury other than the probes lodging in his skin?
 
I don't know how accurate the article is, but, it states that the kid was grabbed by the officer as he was leaving the library. Is that even necessary? Also, do you think that if the officer just verbally told the kid to step aside for a moment first, would have been a better deal? Or what the officer did was perfectly fine and was handled in an acceptable manner?

As the article says, the kid was grabbed by an officer as he was leaving the library, repeatedly yelling, "Get off of me!" as a 2nd officer approached... then shortly after got tazered.
 
ailevation said:
I don't know how accurate the article is, but, it states that the kid was grabbed by the officer as he was leaving the library. Is that even necessary? Also, do you think that if the officer just verbally told the kid to step aside for a moment first, would have been a better deal? Or what the officer did was perfectly fine and was handled in an acceptable manner?

As the article says, the kid was grabbed by an officer as he was leaving the library, repeatedly yelling, "Get off of me!" as a 2nd officer approached... then shortly after got tazered.
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Yes because we all know media never twist or embellish the facts at all. What they write is 100% accurate.

I have to agree with the very few others that said this guy got what he deserved. There is something to be said for not acting like a jackass. Really, who reacts the way the guy did at the beginning of the video? Especially when it's a law enforcement officer. If someone is going to act like that when they are grabbed, restrained or detained, who knows what it will escalate to if not diffused. And that's a decisions the cops have to make within seconds.
 
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