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Anyone into Techno? I, personally, absolutely love it. Good beats, some dark, some light, just music to chill to. I'm currently listening to "Bass Drive" on iTunes... sooo good... tune in if you like techno.
 
When we speak of techno, are we referring to the entire electronic genre or the 4-to-the-floor club stuff?

Any way, I also listen to iTunes radio a lot. Bassdrive and UrbanDrop for some straight-up DnB, GrooveSalad and SomaFM for more down-tempo chillout shite, cliqhop and StaticBeats for stuff on the more alternative edge (particularly cliqhop).

As for specific artists I listen to:

Aphex Twin
Squarepusher
Boards of Canada
Autechre
Amon Tobin
Orbital
Venetian Snares
Royksopp

The occasional Underworld track as well. :)
 
I play Dance Dance Revolution ALL THE TIME, so I don't hate techno, but I don't like it either, Playing DDR so much, I just don't mind it anymore :)
 
I dont like music made on a computer.

Musics supposed to take talent, and have instruments.

But whatever, everyone has a different opinion. I make fun of the music itself, but id never make fun of a person for liking it, everyone has different tastes.
 
SenorDingDong said:
I dont like music made on a computer.

Musics supposed to take talent, and have instruments.

But whatever, everyone has a different opinion. I make fun of the music itself, but id never make fun of a person for liking it, everyone has different tastes.
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Agreed.

I hate bands that synth their instruments.

But I don't mind bands like NiN, where they're just playing the genre. It's when emo faggs start getting drumbeats out and saying it's their drummer that really pisses me off.

And when a band like Rush has Pert kicking it up on a Keyboard, I don't mind that either.
 
o-zone is the best techno band ever, in my opinion. very immersive, to. euro-techno actually, probably, but its really different and u can tell lol.
 
You guys obviously don't know what kind of talents and skills real electronic music needs. If, like Absinthe, you've heard any of the good stuff then you would know that the level of musicianship needed is far beyond your average guitar-Joe.
 
impakt said:
You guys obviously don't know what kind of talents and skills real electronic music needs. If, like Absinthe, you've heard any of the good stuff then you would know that the level of musicianship needed is far beyond your average guitar-Joe.
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Please read my post thoroughly before thrashing it.
 
Your comments about "bands" aren't relative to electronic music the way I see it.
I was thinking more about SenorDingDong and the general misconception of popdance versus techno and other kinds of electronic music.
 
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SenorDingDong said:
I dont like music made on a computer.

Musics supposed to take talent, and have instruments.
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Go and get cubase and make us all a fantastic track if it takes so little talent.

Why can't a computer be considered an instrument? And if you want to make music, in any field, your theory is going to have to be sound.
 
I really like techno ...the only problem is that I dont know which musician does which song...I can think of maybe a half dozen artists ...but even then I get confused a lot


love Air (is it even techno? or just instrumental?), Orbital, Paul Oakenfeld, Brian Eno, the orb, etc

I get my techno fix from itunes radio ...mostly either secret agent radio or GrooveSalad



oh and Sinkoman Neil Peart doesnt play keyboards, Geddy Lee does
 
SenorDingDong said:
I dont like music made on a computer.

Musics supposed to take talent, and have instruments.
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What an awfully ignorant view. Electronic music is talentless? Sounds like you don't know what the **** you're talking about. It doesn't have instruments? What, pray tell, constitutes an instrument? Why would a softsynth or a sample be invalid?

I care about the end product; the sound. If you even had a clue about the genre, you'd know that electronic music can require a lot of skill and composition to be good. If it's such talentless form, go download a copy of Cubase, Pro Tools, or any other program and make a ****ing cool track.

(Interestingly enough, nobody has ever taken up that challenge when it's been posed to them)
 
The best music is made from the mouth.......

BEAT BOXING YYYEEEEAAAA!!!!

BeatBoxing takes the most talent, IMO
I mean, anyone can "learn" guitar or piano, but with BeatBoxing, You have to master the mouth movments, and learn vantriliquism (for Scratching), I think BeatBoxing is the hardest instrument of all, 2nd place goes to singing, your either good or your not, you can tune an instrument, but with singing, you have to practice like crazy to get in tune.

Techno would have to be 3rd, First of all, you gotta be tech saavy (did I spell it right?) and you gotta have rhythm and beat to put all these sounds together.

Everyone is intitled to there own opinion, this is my opinion.
 
ooookay ..ya I can see how you can compare the genius of mozart with beatboxing ...a form of music that came about from the lack of money to buy instruments ...now had you said Bobby Mcferrin I'd agree ...there's no one in rap that can even come close to Bobby Mcferrin (listen to his music and I'm sure you'd agree)
 
humanbeatbox.com get some sound clips, over there they are mostly all pros, MOZART SUCK BY THE WAY!
 
Dog-- said:
MOZART SUCK BY THE WAY!
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well that pretty much invalidates everything you've ever said ...thanks for visiting
 
I love techno.

Ambient chillout, thrash, ardkore trance shit, dnb, love it all.
 
No It doesn't invalidate anything, I just Hate mozart, Beethoven has some good peices tho.

I don't know the names of any but I like some of em (I know there from beethoven when I hear them)

Like the "da Da DA DA da Da DA DA"
 
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how does one think mozart sucks?
 
Ennui said:
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how does one think mozart sucks?
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I think what he's trying to say (and doing quite a poor job of, I must say) is that he's simply not interested in Mozart's pieces, whereas he feels that Beethoven is of greater musical interest to him.
 
Dog-- said:
No It doesn't invalidate anything, I just Hate mozart, Beethoven has some good peices tho.

I don't know the names of any but I like some of em (I know there from beethoven when I hear them)

Like the "da Da DA DA da Da DA DA"
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Yeah thats a classic :rolleyes:
 
Dog-- said:
The best music is made from the mouth.......

BEAT BOXING YYYEEEEAAAA!!!!

BeatBoxing takes the most talent, IMO
I mean, anyone can "learn" guitar or piano, but with BeatBoxing, You have to master the mouth movments, and learn vantriliquism (for Scratching), I think BeatBoxing is the hardest instrument of all, 2nd place goes to singing, your either good or your not, you can tune an instrument, but with singing, you have to practice like crazy to get in tune.

Techno would have to be 3rd, First of all, you gotta be tech saavy (did I spell it right?) and you gotta have rhythm and beat to put all these sounds together.

Everyone is intitled to there own opinion, this is my opinion.
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I agree, it's your oppinion, but wtf. "Anybody can learn to play guitar and piano". That's complete bullshit.

I myself am a drummer, and really resent that. You can't just go out and "learn" to play the drums. Sure, you can learn to play the music and stuff, but it takes rythm and a trained ear to be good. Plus, you have to have the creativity to just hop in and play allong with a guitarist and get a song going. Creativity to make the beats.

Beatboxing is bullshit if you ask me. I can beatbox. Anybody with a mouth can beatbox. I know kids who "beatbox" for fun, and I can't tell the difference between that and any "proffesional" beatboxing.

I really don't like how you bash musicians there. How can instrumentalist' not even be in your top 3? If you ask me, playing an instrument is the one that takes the most talent.

Singing, pfft. Have you ever noticed that the singer in the band is not the guy who makes the band? They just pick the best singer out of all of them? Look, Ozzy sang for sabbath, and he SUCKS at singing. But it's just to have a singer, and his voice matches the music (not sucks, but his tone. Sabbath rocks).

I'm not bashing singers, it takes utter talent to sing, but if you ask me, singing at instruments are the hardest of all. Both at the same level in my oppinion.

And you have to be able to play an instrument to make techno beats. You have to have a sense of rythm, a good ear, and you have to be able to imagine the beats. All of which takes being able to play an instrument. Techno isn't hard to make, you just need a talented musician to make it.

Tech savy isn't true. Just show the guy how to work a mouse and keyboard and he can do the rest from his instrumentalist background. Most instrumentalist can read sheet music, so they should be able to make it.

Just like how you said, this is my oppinion.
 
I knew NOTHING about music, and in 4 months my music teacher taught me how to sing, play electric guitar, and WRITE music, next month I'm startin the bass, thats why I said anyone can learn it, personal experience
 
You don't learn to sing. You can learn how to sing better, and different techniques to make yourself sound better but... it's a born talent.
 
Absinthe said:
The occasional Underworld track as well. :)
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"Cowgirl" ftw! :thumbs:

Paul Oakenfold's "Ready Steady Go" is one of my favorites too. (The Korean version heard in the dance club shootout in Collateral.
 
I'm trying to find Aphex Twin's SAW85-92 in stores, but I'm not having much luck :( I've found 26 mixes for cash and 51/13 (or whatever that was called) though. Anyway if I do find it it'll probably cost $50 or something, relatively unknown (unknown here anyway) stuff always costs a bomb.
 
sinkoman said:
And you have to be able to play an instrument to make techno beats. You have to have a sense of rythm, a good ear, and you have to be able to imagine the beats. All of which takes being able to play an instrument. Techno isn't hard to make, you just need a talented musician to make it.

Tech savy isn't true. Just show the guy how to work a mouse and keyboard and he can do the rest from his instrumentalist background. Most instrumentalist can read sheet music, so they should be able to make it.

Just like how you said, this is my oppinion.
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Its obvious you dont really know anything about how 'techno' is made. Before i get into that, lets clear something up..
Im yet to be convinced that, well, anyone who has posted in this thread actually knows what techno is. All electronic/dance music is not techno. All 4/4 dance music is not techno either. Most 4/4 stuff nowadays is trance, house and pop, theres still some hardcore floating about for those whos brains are stuck in 1993, and then theres techno. All of these sound completely different from each other, usually. Exceptions are commercial trance (commercial house also sometimes), and tech trance. Tech trance is a mixture of trance and techno, and its awesome. Commercial trance is what you get when you mix trance and pop, and it is usually disgustingly, embarassingly bad and made purely to sell to all the teenyboppers and make a shitload of money. The tracks are nearly always clean sounding, filled with annoying female vocals, are totally built around a very unoriginal and very happy/cheesy clearly sequenced melody, to sell to the target audience, obviously. And the producers of this churn it out as fast as they can, taking every shortcut possible. This is what most americans think of when they hear the word techno, much to the dismay of the well informed worldwide.
Actually techno is pretty much the complete opposite. It is not happy at all, its typically serious, dark, hard, sometimes depressing, gritty, dirty music that sounds like it came from the digital death machines of hell. It focuses on percussion, noises and fx mostly. It almost never has a real melody in the sense that other genres do, and most people wouldnt like it.
Now, as for 'techno' not being hard to make, you are completely wrong. Trance and techno are the hardest types of music to create. You dont need to be able to play a 'real' instrument to make it. You dont need to be able to read sheet music, but it can help. The playing of instruments, or in this case the sequencing of synthesizer patches and samples, isnt quite the whole story..... Not even close in fact. You see, unlike 'real' music where you have the luxury of just picking up your guitar and strumming away some tired, recycled, done-zillion-times tune, we have to first program our 'guitars', which by the way can be very, very complicated in itself. Making a synth patch that is unique, sounds good individually, fits your melody if there is one and works well with all the other sounds you have created without muddying up their main frequency ranges, but at the same time not leaving much empty space, is tricky to say the least (guess why most of the commercial shite sounds so similar). Not only do you need to know how to program the synth, you need to be able to use fx properly on it, or else it will probably sound very unprofessional (even with decent use of fx you will not have a professional sounding tune if you know nothing about mastering, which i will get to in a minute). I hope someone is still with me btw! You could easily have each synth running through 3-10+ effects units/plugins. External filters, chorus/flangers/phasers, eqs, tuners, exciters, delays, reverbs, noise gates, compressors, distorters etc etc etc.. You absolutely must know how to use all of these, and the rest, properly. Even knowing what sounds pro and what doesnt takes years of listening to the type of music youre making. Making something sound pro takes years and years more. A noob producer starting out now would be lucky to be able to come up with a track that wasnt clearly amateur sounding within say 4 years. Could take 8, 9 or 10 (and it will take that long to fully get your head around your sequencer anyway, so its probably just as well) to make a truely pro sounding tune, assuming he pays a professional mastering engineer to polish it at the end, because learning how to master to a professional standard takes longer than learning how to produce to a pro standard. You might not have the ear for it in the first place in which case youll be paying engineers to do it for you forever. :(
I havnt even talked about percussion, sound effects or structure yet. Theyre all just as important as anything else, and just as tricky to get right. Synthesizing good percs can be next to impossible, which is why most opt for samples instead. But even with samples, youve still gotta clean them up, make them sound original through various processes and at the same time fit the track and genre, layer them well (especially the kicks (bass drums)), use multitudes of fx and spend a lot of time tuning them to perfection, amongst other things that i havnt mentioned. In my opinion this cant even be compared to playing drums live, its much more difficult.
Things can be taken to the ubercomplex level when instead of just programming your 'guitars' that were made by large companies and bought by you, you start building them yourself. Reaktor is the tool, well one of the tools, for this. It is a truely incredible program. And although you will be 87 by the time you can do it, you can make your own synthesizers, effect units, sequencers and virtual quantum computers too probably. Ok now im done, im getting hungry. I hope you understand and appreciate the effort it takes to make good proper dance music a bit more now.
 
Reaktor speaks the truth.

I'm struggling with producing electronic music and it's going to take a loong time before I make anything even remotely professional sounding.
 
I want to make love to Reaktor.

BTW impakt, I really like that track! Really shows how much balls the older gear still has.
 
Yea, it's all about creativity and properly post-processing/rearranging the stuff after you've recorded it.
 
Personally proper live raw music with instruments (guitar, drums and base) over any funny computer noises. In fact any type of recognised instrumental music i like, be it jazz, classical, rock etc...but when it comes to computer generated music, rapping and beat boxing (which are all basically talking fast) i can't stand them, i detest them to a very high level.

My honest opinion is that any average person can make that music, by just learning a computer program, turning some knobs, pressing some buttons etc. If you took years to practice on a guitar, drum or bass, learnt all the chords, then took it to grade 8 and did all the theory, probably taking you years to learn and many more to master, then started creating music from that, i would deem that proper talent and a quality musician.

My thoughts on techno specifically is that its ridiculously repetitive, the same bass note over and over sometimes for 40 seconds or so only. Its like someone drilling through my temple. :( I have given it time, my friend tried to teach me to like it, but i can't.

I just prefer actual live instrumental music, and VOCALS which are important to me. They get messages through in songs, little of the techno i've heard contain vocals, except for the occassional mans voice being repeated 'push it! 'jump' 'yeahhhh' any random emotive words like that. I doesn't mean anything, especially to me, just makes the music empty for me. Whereas i may listen to songs with proper messages, and please don't think they are satanic. Mostly about emotions of loss, love, pain, glee etc.

So to sum up, i believe everything > techno, beat boxing, and all of r n b in existance. And i'm a very happy chappy.
 
did you read Reaktor4's post? how can you even lump beat-box with techno? it's not related in the least
 
People have a scary tendency to assume trance/dance is the same as techno.
 
impakt said:
People have a scary tendency to assume trance/dance is the same as techno.
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That's because, to the untrained ear, they sound pretty much exactly the same. I, for one, cannot take a handful of techno-ish tracks and successfully categorise them into house, trance, techno, etc etc etc.

If I were to listen to more from these genres, I'd be able to tell you if a track was techno or trance. But as it stands, I'm with Hectic Glenn on this one; I prefer songs with a message.
 
Techno/trance or dance isn't the only electronic music, god damnit. There is real talented stuff out there.
 
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