Terrorist used Mentally Challenged as Suicide bombers -- MSNBC Source speaks

[K e r b e r o s]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106/

Iraq’s interior minister said Monday that insurgents used a handicapped child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on election day.

Read. This ... just shows the desperation. It also, just shows the lengths these insurgents are willing to go.

 

[Tr0n]

Al-Naqib praised an Iraqi citizen who was killed while blocking one suicide bomber from reaching a crowd of people outside at polling station.

That guys is true courage and bravery.

 

[CptStern]

the media is blurring the line between insugents and terrorists ...terrorists dont distinguish between soldier and civilian ..insurgents do

insurgent, in-'s&r-j&nt:

in opposition to a civil authority or government [syn: seditious, subversive] n 1: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions) [syn: insurrectionist, freedom fighter, rebel] 2: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment


terrorist:

characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


on topic, I think it's horrible to use innocents as tools for propaganda ..works both ways

 

[Tr0n]

the media is blurring the line between insugents and terrorists ...terrorists dont distinguish between soldier and civilian ..insurgents do

insurgent, in-'s&r-j&nt:

in opposition to a civil authority or government [syn: seditious, subversive] n 1: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions) [syn: insurrectionist, freedom fighter, rebel] 2: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment


terrorist:

characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


on topic, I think it's horrible to use innocents as tools for propaganda ..works both ways

Ain't they doing both of those?I'm kinda confused...

OT: It's only us 3 in the politics forums...

 

[CptStern]

no, the insurgency in iraq targets the occupiers, the terrorists target everybody

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, the Insurgency sucks at being an Insurgency ... then.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889035/

More news. Iraqi-Americans speak out; vote; and are abundantly happy.

 

[Bodacious]

no, the insurgency in iraq targets the occupiers, the terrorists target everybody

Who was that British lady who had lived in Iraq for, what 30 years? and then was dismembered by the insurgency?

Who was that one guy, who was there on his own free will, not contracted by the government or linked to the government in any form or fashion, and who was beheaded by the insurgency? Nick something was his name.

Well, the Insurgency sucks at being an Insurgency ... then.

QFT

 

[No Limit]

Who was that British lady who had lived in Iraq for, what 30 years? and then was dismembered by the insurgency?

Who was that one guy, who was there on his own free will, not contracted by the government or linked to the government in any form or fashion, and who was beheaded by the insurgency? Nick something was his name.



QFT

See, you are missing the point. Those people were terrorists, not insurgents.

 

[Bodacious]

See, you are missing the point. Those people were terrorists, not insurgents.

Oh ok, my bad. So when you want to undermine the Military's effort over there they are insurgents. But when those insurgents are proven to be terrorits they are terrorists. In other words, spinning the fact to fit your agenda. Thanks for clearing that up.

You can't BS me, no limit. Zarqawi chopped Berg's head off and he is the same guy leading the "insurgency."

 

[CptStern]

ya sure he is ..look there are so many groups in iraq that it is very difficult to distinguish the 2 ...btw when the coalition kills civilians what would you call that? state-sponsored terrorism?

 

[Icarusintel]

Oh ok, my bad. So when you want to undermine the Military's effort over there they are insurgents. But when those insurgents are proven to be terrorits they are terrorists. In other words, spinning the fact to fit your agenda. Thanks for clearing that up.

You can't BS me, no limit. Zarqawi chopped Berg's head off and he is the same guy leading the "insurgency."

It doesn;t really matter what you call them, they have no regard for anyone's lives, all they care about is death, they're just scared democracy will work, they don;t seem to care what happens in the country except that it doesn;t turn democratic, i hope they all get killed or captured if they won;t give up

 

[Bodacious]

Casualties of War. Come on, you have already established my lack of compassion for the innocents in that category, do you really need me to acknowledge that again?

 

[CptStern]

Casualties of War. Come on, you have already established my lack of compassion for the innocents in that category, do you really need me to acknowledge that again?

true ...

 

[No Limit]

Casualties of War. Come on, you have already established my lack of compassion for the innocents in that category, do you really need me to acknowledge that again?

And I already established what a hypocrite you are based on that. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had family in Iraq (many people just living in the US do).

 

[No Limit]

Oh ok, my bad. So when you want to undermine the Military's effort over there they are insurgents. But when those insurgents are proven to be terrorits they are terrorists. In other words, spinning the fact to fit your agenda. Thanks for clearing that up.

You can't BS me, no limit. Zarqawi chopped Berg's head off and he is the same guy leading the "insurgency."

Again, you are missing the point. He is not leading the insurgency as the media claims, he is leading the terrorists over there that weren't there before the war.

 

[KoreBolteR]

the media is blurring the line between insugents and terrorists ...terrorists dont distinguish between soldier and civilian ..insurgents do

insurgent, in-'s&r-j&nt:

in opposition to a civil authority or government [syn: seditious, subversive] n 1: a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions) [syn: insurrectionist, freedom fighter, rebel] 2: a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment


terrorist:

characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


on topic, I think it's horrible to use innocents as tools for propaganda ..works both ways

the terrorists in iraq want to be called insurgents.
but the fact is , they aint, they are terrorist civilian killers, plain and simple.

Again, you are missing the point. He is not leading the insurgency as the media claims, he is leading the terrorists over there that weren't there before the war.

but they were still existing in the world training to attack the west in simular 9/11 attacks. :flame:

down with the terrorists.

 

[No Limit]

ut they were still existing in the world training to attack the west in simular 9/11 attacks

yeah, but I am talking about Iraq. Iraq had no terrorists prior to our invasion. Thanks to Bush Iraq is now one huge safe house for terrorists around the world.

 

[KoreBolteR]

yeah, but I am talking about Iraq. Iraq had no terrorists prior to our invasion. Thanks to Bush Iraq is now one huge safe house for terrorists around the world.

better all contained in one small country, than scattered around the world.

 

[CptStern]

I guess you believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy too?

 

[No Limit]

better all contained in one small country, than scattered around the world.

I don't think you know the definition of contained.

 

[KoreBolteR]

I guess you believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy too?

who, you cant be talking to me seriously?

you cant possibly believe that the terrorist are the good guys defending thier country and religion, heroes! wow they saved the day by chopping civilians heads off, blowing iraqi kids up, and destroying iraq. :E

I don't think you know the definition of contained.

ok, what i mean is, they are there on the same land as the coalition troops (aka freedom fighters lol). so that its easier to kill the terrorists that are in iraq than terrorists that are in for example syria.

 

[Lemonking]

See, you are missing the point. Those people were terrorists, not insurgents.

I dont think they would say Im a terrorist hey and im a insurgent

 

[Bodacious]

And I already established what a hypocrite you are based on that. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had family in Iraq (many people just living in the US do).

Oh noes! No limit thinks I am hypocrite! What shall I ever do?

 

[CptStern]

I dont think they would say Im a terrorist hey and im a insurgent

yes they would ..when the chechnyan terrorists held that school hostage the chechnyan insurgents fighting for an independent Chechnya were quick to denounce them as murderers and terrorists

 

[Bodacious]

yeah, but I am talking about Iraq. Iraq had no terrorists prior to our invasion. Thanks to Bush Iraq is now one huge safe house for terrorists around the world.

Yah, the 707 at salman pak was for Military training, Al-Qaeda members on Fedayeen payroll, asylum to Al Zarqawi, and Abu Nidal aren't terrorism in Iraq, they are just, well not terrorism related at all.

 

[CptStern]

Oh noes! No limit thinks I am hypocrite! What shall I ever do?

admit it? :E

 

[Bodacious]

admit it? :E

How about not care?

 

[burner69]

who, you cant be talking to me seriously?

you cant possibly believe that the terrorist are the good guys defending thier country and religion, heroes! wow they saved the day by chopping civilians heads off, blowing iraqi kids up, and destroying iraq. :E

Minus the head cutting, I could apply that to the coalition. It's all about perspective; some people seem unable to accept that maybe, just maybe, the terrorists actually have a reason to fear the West coming in and ruling their country with their rules. Not only have the West, particularly the US, f**ked Iraq up many times, including selling saddam WMDs and chemical weapons, targetting a civilian water supply resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and arguably, the war now - but the idea of democracy, free speech, corporate rule over the masses, getting fed all our info thru celebrities etc is something they fear greatly - it goes against everything they believe in.

 

[burner69]

How about not care?

glad we're debating with reasonable people

 

[No Limit]

asylum to Al Zarqawi

You call some doctor giving him medical attention once on his leg an asylum to Al Zarqawi?

Al-Qaeda members on Fedayeen payroll

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58899-2004Jun21.html

 

[CptStern]

who, you cant be talking to me seriously?

you cant possibly believe that the terrorist are the good guys defending thier country and religion, heroes! wow they saved the day by chopping civilians heads off, blowing iraqi kids up, and destroying iraq. :E

why is it always so black and white for you people...it's such a simple minded insight into a complex issue ..I have never supported terrorism ...I really detest that idiotic notion of "you're either with us or against us" it's just an attempt at silencing dissent

ok, what i mean is, they are there on the same land as the coalition troops (aka freedom fighters lol). so that its easier to kill the terrorists that are in iraq than terrorists that are in for example syria.

funny how in all this talk of terrorists not one of you ever mentions the grand pubah himself: Osama ..how's that coming along?

 

[KoreBolteR]

u guys seem to defend the terrorists all the time, like i said, they chop peoples heads off, kill innocent iraqis, and blow up little children, and thats all done on purpose!!! omg how many times do i have to say it.

your comparing them to the coalition when you cant, because the coalition killings are caused because terrorists use them as shields and desperately want the coalition to kill innocents so anti-coalition people can jump to the chance of accusing the west like flees to dogs!

why is it always so black and white for you people...it's such a simple minded insight into a complex issue ..I have never supported terrorism ...I really detest that idiotic notion of "you're either with us or against us" it's just an attempt at silencing dissent

look its not black and white, i get it, i know going to iraq was a mistake, but now were there id like to support out troops, not accuse them over something petty like "omg he poked a terrorist who had no guns" when the terrorist would have killed the marine if the situation was turned around

 

[No Limit]

Oh noes! No limit thinks I am hypocrite! What shall I ever do?

How about address the point instead of making yourself look like an ass?

Also, you seem to not understand debate so let me help you out. There is a difference between me thinking you are a hypocrite and me showing how you are a hypocrite; guess which I did. And then there is a difference between you showing how you aren't and saying you don't care; guess which you did.

 

[CptStern]

u guys seem to defend the terrorists all the time, like i said, they chop peoples heads off, kill innocent iraqis, and blow up little children, and thats all done on purpose!!! omg how many times do i have to say it.

please, unless you are ready to explain this I suggest you keep yer mouth shut:

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it. - posted 3,129566 times in these forums by yours truely

your comparing them to the coalition when you cant, because the coalition killings are caused because terrorists use them as shields and desperately want the coalition to kill innocents so anti-coalition people can jump to the chance of accusing the west like flees to dogs!

so during the 90's 500,000 children were standing next to terrorists when they died of treatable diseases brought on by having contaminated water? ...see this is the problem with the right, full of piss and vinager but empty when it comes to facts

 

[burner69]

u guys seem to defend the terrorists all the time, like i said, they chop peoples heads off, kill innocent iraqis, and blow up little children, and thats all done on purpose!!! omg how many times do i have to say it.

your comparing them to the coalition when you cant, because the coalition killings are caused because terrorists use them as shields and desperately want the coalition to kill innocents so anti-coalition people can jump to the chance of accusing the west like flees to dogs!

look its not black and white, i get it, i know going to iraq was a mistake, but now were there id like to support out troops, not accuse them over something petty like "omg he poked a terrorist who had no guns" when the terrorist would have killed the marine if the situation was turned around

You believe every innocent person who's died in Iraq has died because they had a terrorist in their house? Or a terrorist grabbed them and used them as a human shield? :O

And none of us will defend terrorism, we're mainly liberals, who are against all killing, sit around hugging trees, and smoking hash.
What we try to do is find an explianation as to WHY they are doing what they're doing, an underlying cause so it truley CAN be stopped, and not just believing prez Bush when he says they just don't like freedom, are jealous, and can be wiped out by invading a few middle eastern countries. Bloody idiotic man.

 

[Bodacious]

You call some doctor giving him medical attention once on his leg an asylum to Al Zarqawi?

He stayed there for quite a long time from what I understand.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58899-2004Jun21.html

Key Word: may

No comment on my other examples? The statment that there was no support of terrorism on Iraq's part is false. I left the Support of Hamas and Hizbollah out 'case that wasn't terrorist in Iraq, but it is still support or terrorism.

123456

 

[KoreBolteR]

Just look at the what the "insurgents" as you call them do all over the middle east, killing innocents, and trying to kill royals... pff

"Gunmen are still on the loose. People are staying in their homes, keeping their heads down. Nobody can give a final figure on the deaths," - they are complete maniacs on the loode with terrifying weapons. :/

omg every site i jus searched for wubs the terrorists, this is brainwashing people opinions, all these websites popping up in thier faces making the western coalition lookin bad. i cant give you any good evidence since the media doesnt want to find any, it would like to see evidence agains the coalition, the real ones trying to make a better future for iraqi people.

and even the evidence you find on websites that cant be called solid evidence, it could have been made up or twisted to make the west look worse. eg. fact = coalition kill 1 civilian, kill 30 terrorists, but the media who hate them will say .. coalition killed 30 children and women. or not say anything positive at all.
psis me off.

The media run this world now, by influencing people like yourselves and maybe me, we will never know the true happenings, because we are not there

 

[Bodacious]

How about address the point instead of making yourself look like an ass?

Because I have no desire to repeat myself. I already gave you an answer in that thread. Go look it up. And why should I care if you or anyone thinks I am an ass?

Also, you seem to not understand debate so let me help you out. There is a difference between me thinking you are a hypocrite and me showing how you are a hypocrite; guess which I did. And then there is a difference between you showing how you aren't and saying you don't care; guess which you did.

OH NOES!

123456

 

[No Limit]

No comment on my other examples? The statment that there was no support of terrorism on Iraq's part is false. I left the Support of Hamas and Hizbollah out 'case that wasn't terrorist in Iraq, but it is still support or terrorism.

No, no comment because I am tired of your crap to put it frankly. I disproved 2 of your examples and you don't address the fact you were wrong so why the hell should I address your other 2 examples of misinformation.

He stayed there for quite a long time from what I understand.

No, he was simply passing through Iraq and got medical attention for 1 little wound on his leg. Before you pull the crap with a source you find a source to back you up first.

may

That article is old and it isn't may anymore as the CIA has said.