Terrorists use kids as cover, then kill them

[kirovman]

I think I might move to San Jose just to beat up Kathaksung.

I have the technology to locate him, oh yes.

 

[Manc]

ah..the religion of peace in action again huh?...funny thing is..the BBC and most other euro news agencies are delighted not to tell people this but rather hide it on a small page somewhere on their websites.

The religion of peace ..MMMmmmm. poor kids..

 

[ehudyoda]

Israelis don't even use them for cover, they just shoot them. Shocked yet? No? Expected.

Such a load of bull,
When an Israeli soldier hurts a bystander (war sucks),
HE TAKES HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.

When an Israeli civilian gets into unfriendly territory, he gets lynched.

ignorant is a bliss, aynt it?

 

[ehudyoda]

You don't say!

US provokes Iraq civil war

US and Israel intelligence are carring out a policy to provoke a civil war in Iraq. The purpose is to let Iraqis to kill Iraqis.

The real people behind the insurgence are US and Israel intelligence and Pentagon. They try to provoke a civil war in Iraq so US Army can stay in Iraq until next war: Iran's or Syria's.

Will a peaceful Iraq needs US occupation troop any more? No, US will have no excuse to stay.

How can US troops stay in Iraq? When there is riot, car bombing, death squad killing, civil war.

Well, the terrorist is there, withdraw troops is cut and run, Bush says. So Bush can have US troops stay in Mid-east until the next war - a war on Iran or Syria.

That's why we saw Al Qaida (a special force to act on behalf of US intelligence) launched attack at Shiite shrine to start the conflict between Sunni and Shiite. We already know the 911 attack was in the name of Al Qaida which gave Bush the justification to start the war in Mid-east - war on Afghanistan and Iraq.

The US and Israel intelligence controlled death squad of Iraqis government which is used to kill Sunni people. On the other hand they controlled insurgence and Al Qaida to kill Shiite civilians by car bombing. That is how they create a civil war in Iraq.

It's people like you that make me understand how Nazi propaganda could be cultivated.
and that was more that 60 years ago.people are people are people.

 

[15357]

I blame movies.



*cough*V for Vendetta*cough*

 

[Kadayi]

As far as I can recall, I've always thought of the insurgents in Iraq as religiously fanatical terrorists, or at least seriously misguided. As idiotic as the US has been, the insurgency itself carries most of the blame for civilian death and reversal of progression post-invasion.

It's not on religious grounds that they are fighting, it's because democracy favours the larger shiite population over the Sunni's who enjoyed power and privilege during Saddams dictatorship.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/23/weekinreview/20060723_MIDEAST_GRAPHIC.jpg

AL & OBL are just coat tailing off the conflict to build up anti-western feeling.

 

[CptStern]

Such a load of bull,
When an Israeli soldier hurts a bystander (war sucks),
HE TAKES HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.

yes because israelis couldnt possibly be inhumane


ignorant is a bliss, aint it?

 

[ehudyoda]

Missing any bigger picture - again !

yes because Israelis couldnt possibly be inhumane


ignorant is a bliss, aint it?

You know CptS., I could raise at least three counter-points from this little article but I'll point out only one (got an exam to study to).

What about the 's.y.s.t.e.m'? :

"Military prosecutors have issued a five-count indictment against an Israeli officer who comrades say repeatedly shot a wounded 13-year old Palestinian girl to make sure that she was dead..."

the 'norm' of the system is to prosecute such people (or acts).

In Hisbulla/Hamas land he would have been a hero.

By the way, I know the story and it is false.
It started as a research-story at a prime-time Israeli program.
There was some sort of mutiny among the platoon and they wanted to kick
this officer home, with false accusations.

Once the real story got out, no 'serious' network was interested in publishing the plain facts. The 'facts' remain - Israeli officer shot several time an innocent girl.
The officer's life ruined (a Druz by the way).
Even Israeli networks were not interested in the true story as modern network stations are much alike.

Even so dear C'ptn, you dig (shit) you find - at least dig a true story man, I bet you can find one.

 

[Solaris]

You know CptS., I could raise at least three counter-points from this little article but I'll point out only one (got an exam to study to).

What about the 's.y.s.t.e.m'? :

"Military prosecutors have issued a five-count indictment against an Israeli officer who comrades say repeatedly shot a wounded 13-year old Palestinian girl to make sure that she was dead..."

the 'norm' of the system is to prosecute such people (or acts).

In Hisbulla/Hamas land he would have been a hero.

By the way, I know the story and it is false.
It started as a research-story at a prime-time Israeli program.
There was some sort of mutiny among the platoon and they wanted to kick
this officer home, with false accusations.

Once the real story got out, no 'serious' network was interested in publishing the plain facts. The 'facts' remain - Israeli officer shot several time an innocent girl.
The officer's life ruined (a Druz by the way).
Even Israeli networks were not interested in the true story as modern network stations are much alike.

Even so dear C'ptn, you dig (shit) you find - at least dig a true story man, I bet you can find one.

Bullshit.

 

[CptStern]

You know CptS., I could raise at least three counter-points from this little article but I'll point out only one (got an exam to study to).

What about the 's.y.s.t.e.m'? :

"Military prosecutors have issued a five-count indictment against an Israeli officer who comrades say repeatedly shot a wounded 13-year old Palestinian girl to make sure that she was dead..."

the 'norm' of the system is to prosecute such people (or acts).

what does that have to do with anything? he was indited for murdering the girl after she was wounded .."mercy" killing is forbidden, had you read the article I provided you would have known that. You said Israeli soldiers would have sent them to the hospital I refurted your idiotic contention by proving that isnt the case ..which I've proved ..so what do your statements have to do with the fact I disproved your idiotic claim?

In Hisbulla/Hamas land he would have been a hero.

By the way, I know the story and it is false.

ya well forgive if me if I dont take the word of some random guy on the internets ...you'll have to provide sources

It started as a research-story at a prime-time Israeli program.
There was some sort of mutiny among the platoon and they wanted to kick
this officer home, with false accusations.

Once the real story got out, no 'serious' network was interested in publishing the plain facts. The 'facts' remain - Israeli officer shot several time an innocent girl.
The officer's life ruined (a Druz by the way).
Even Israeli networks were not interested in the true story as modern network stations are much alike.

again you'll have to do better than that ...how about radio messages confirming the soldiers KNEW it was a child and that she was walking away from the post when she was gunned down?

A tape recording of radio exchanges between soldiers involved in the incident, played on Israeli television, contradicts the army's account of the events and appears to show that the captain shot the girl in cold blood.

The official account claimed that Iman was shot as she walked towards an army post with her schoolbag because soldiers feared she was carrying a bomb.

But the tape recording of the radio conversation between soldiers at the scene reveals that, from the beginning, she was identified as a child and at no point was a bomb spoken about nor was she described as a threat. Iman was also at least 100 yards from any soldier.

Instead, the tape shows that the soldiers swiftly identified her as a "girl of about 10" who was "scared to death".

The tape also reveals that the soldiers said Iman was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot.

At that point, Captain R took the unusual decision to leave the post in pursuit of the girl. He shot her dead and then "confirmed the kill" by emptying his magazine into her body.

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

disprove the above with sources or stfu, I'm tired of you ****ing partisan wankers apologizing for the wrong doings of your own side

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html

Even so dear C'ptn, you dig (shit) you find - at least dig a true story man, I bet you can find one.

you proved nothing ...sources or shut uo

 

[ehudyoda]

Just like I've said

what does that have to do with anything? he was indited for murdering the girl after she was wounded .."mercy" killing is forbidden, had you read the article I provided you would have known that. You said Israeli soldiers would have sent them to the hospital I refurted your idiotic contention by proving that isnt the case ..which I've proved ..so what do your statements have to do with the fact I disproved your idiotic claim?

In Hisbulla/Hamas land he would have been a hero.

ya well forgive if me if I dont take the word of some random guy on the internets ...you'll have to provide sources

again you'll have to do better than that ...how about radio messages confirming the soldiers KNEW it was a child and that she was walking away from the post when she was gunned down?

disprove the above with sources or stfu, I'm tired of you ****ing partisan wankers apologizing for the wrong doings of your own side

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html

you proved nothing ...sources or shut uo

well, here you are.

You can translate it yourself, cause I won't do it for you.
Just like I've said, no recollection in foreign media (it's an msn.co.il site).
Your so full of it.

Thanks for calling me a partisan, you're too kind,
my little word wank.

 

[Solaris]

well, here you are.

You can translate it yourself, cause I won't do it for you.
Just like I've said, no recollection in foreign media (it's an msn.co.il site).
Your so full of it.

Thanks for calling me a partisan, you're too kind,
my little word wank.

No.

Thats just not acceptable, you will have to provide a readable source. This is an English speaking forum and your sources must be English, it's only fair.

 

[ehudyoda]

Sorry. no.

No.

Thats just not acceptable, you will have to provide a readable source. This is an English speaking forum and your sources must be English, it's only fair.

not acceptable - I'm devastated.
just go to Google-->translate.

Thats just my point, there was no correction in foreign media !

This happen on a DAILY basis with western media, especially with GB's networks.

 

[Solaris]

not acceptable - I'm devastated.
just go to Google-->translate.

Thats just my point, there was no correction in foreign media !

This happen on a DAILY basis with western media, especially with GB's networks.

No. The burden of proof is upon you.
I'm not translating your source, you'd only say what I found was a mistranslation.

 

[ehudyoda]

!!?? Proof ?

No. The burden of proof is upon you.
I'm not translating your source, you'd only say what I found was a mistranslation.

Sorry whateveryouare,
I'm not proving anything to you.

YOU want to brainstorm on it, YOU DO IT.
YOU want to open you're clogged mind, YOU DO IT.

prove !!?? you gotta be joking.

 

[Solaris]

Sorry whateveryouare,
I'm not proving anything to you.

YOU want to brainstorm on it, YOU DO IT.
YOU want to open you're clogged mind, YOU DO IT.

prove !!?? you gotta be joking.

Good, you just refused to play by the rules of logical discourse.

Please close the door on your way out.

 

[Sulkdodds]

not acceptable - I'm devastated.
just go to Google-->translate.

Thats just my point, there was no correction in foreign media !

This happen on a DAILY basis with western media, especially with GB's networks.

News media generally employs people to translate for them. These translations will generally be, if nothing else, readable. This is not true of google translations.

If you want your source to influence the discourse in any way, you will need to translate it. Nobody else is going to do it for you, and on an english-speaking forum they should not be expected to.

As you brought up the source, the burden of elucidation is on you. I suspect that a continual refusal to properly engage in argument in the politics section will be construed as trolling. Please do not bullshit people around.

Of course, there's no way anybody can be sure they can trust your translation, but what can yer do?

 

[ehudyoda]

Interesting

Good, you just refused to play by the rules of logical discourse.

Please close the door on your way out.

The logic of refusal by B. Solaris

Take care you outstanding freedom fighter, defender of xor or nand not and and.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I should also note at this point that we at HL2.net would prefer posts in the politics forum to be at least vaguely constructive.

Or funny. That's good too.

 

[ehudyoda]

DejaVu

News media generally employs people to translate for them. These translations will generally be, if nothing else, readable. This is not true of google translations.

If you want your source to influence the discourse in any way, you will need to translate it. Nobody else is going to do it for you, and on an english-speaking forum they should not be expected to.

As you brought up the source, the burden of elucidation is on you. I suspect that a continual refusal to properly engage in argument in the politics section will be construed as trolling. Please do not bullshit people around.

Of course, there's no way anybody can be sure they can trust your translation, but what can yer do?

That was my point from the begining:
there is no English representation of the matter.

Why should anyone believe my translation if they did not believe me in the 1st place?

I gave the Google option as a '3rd-party' translation tool for anyone seeking another perspective.

I know an automated trans. tool is not optimal, but it delivers.

 

[kathaksung]

The US and Israel intelligence controlled death squad of Iraqis government which is used to kill Sunni people. On the other hand they controlled insurgence and Al Qaida to kill Shiite civilians by car bombing. That is how they create a civil war in Iraq.

So many tricks to set up so many bombings. Many bombing aimed at Iraqi police. The heavy casualty of police can irritate a revenge from police to the insurgence (Sunni people). A way to escalate the civil war.

Khadduri's report <http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA505A.html> went like this:

Told him to report to an American military camp

"A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to retrieve his license.

The next day, the driver did visit the camp and he was allowed in the camp with his car.

He was admitted to a room for an interrogation that lasted half an hour.
At the end of the session, the American interrogator told him:
'OK, there is nothing against you, but you do know that Iraq is now sovereign and is in charge of its own affairs.

Hence, we have forwarded your papers and license to al-Kadhimia police station for processing.

Therefore, go there with this clearance to reclaim your license.
At the police station, ask for Lt. Hussain Mohammed, who is waiting for you now.

Go there now quickly, before he leaves his shift work".

The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering overhead, as if trailing him.

He stopped the car and inspected it carefully.

He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the back seat and along the two back doors.

The only feasible explanation for this incident is that the car was indeed booby trapped by the Americans and intended for the al-Khadimiya Shiite district of Baghdad.

The helicopter was monitoring his movement and witnessing the anticipated "hideous attack by foreign elements".

(http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA505A.html )

 

[CptStern]

That was my point from the begining:
there is no English representation of the matter.

Why should anyone believe my translation if they did not believe me in the 1st place?

I gave the Google option as a '3rd-party' translation tool for anyone seeking another perspective.

I know an automated trans. tool is not optimal, but it delivers.

ya but foretunately HL2.net members are anything but stupid (at least some of them) ..your initial point was that soldiers bring wounded palestinians to the hospital ..I called bullshit, posted an example and you say it's not true and when asked to provide proof you submit an article in a language only a very small minority can comprehend? sorry but the burden of proof is STILL on you. You've proved nothing ..either provide the evidence (in goddam english, surely if you say it never happened you should be able to find that girl still alive and healthy) or shut up

 

[Jintor]

I can see the 'oh, you mistranslated it' arguement coming up, as can everyone else.

 

[ehudyoda]

I can see the 'oh, you mistranslated it' arguement coming up, as can everyone else.

Right u r.

 

[Solaris]

Google can't even ****ing translate hebrew anyway.

 

[CptStern]

Right u r.

so in other words your points are meaningless to all but .001% of hl2.net members who can understand your article ...to the rest of us you might as well have posted a recipe for lentil soup or better still nothing at all. at least you wouldnt have wasted our time

 

[ehudyoda]

Rubbish

so in other words your points are meaningless to all but .001% of hl2.net members who can understand your article ...to the rest of us you might as well have posted a recipe for lentil soup or better still nothing at all. at least you wouldnt have wasted our time

If you would have been interested in half of the truth, you could have translated it a hundred times by now.

As you are interested only in your virual truth even the pope could not translate it for you.

takes a lot of effort to write g.o.o.g.l.e...c.o.m. and click translate.

Your not interested in the truth, your sole interest is your own stench.

If you had any honor for truth and justice you would have translated it
from ancient chinese.

 

[Jintor]

If you would have been interested in half of the truth, you could have translated it a hundred times by now.

As you are interested only in your virual truth even the pope could not translate it for you.

takes a lot of effort to write g.o.o.g.l.e...c.o.m. and click translate.

Your not interested in the truth, your sole interest is your own stench.

If you had any honor for truth and justice you would have translated it
from ancient chinese.

What are you, stupid? NO WAIT.

I jest, I jest.

Still, if I said the supreme truth of the universe was in this text of ancient Batavian, and presented you with the untranslated text of ancient Batavian, i suppose you would translate it.

/EDIT Internet Translators are not accurate enough to be used in some sort of reasonable debate. Only human translaters are, and even then it's iffy. Language is a strange thing, full of context remarks and multiple-meaning words that computer programs don't work particularly well with. So it's human translator or bust, I'm afraid.

 

[Solaris]

If you would have been interested in half of the truth, you could have translated it a hundred times by now.

As you are interested only in your virual truth even the pope could not translate it for you.

takes a lot of effort to write g.o.o.g.l.e...c.o.m. and click translate.

Your not interested in the truth, your sole interest is your own stench.

If you had any honor for truth and justice you would have translated it
from ancient chinese.

Ancient ****ing chinese?

Are you having a ****ing laugh?

You type it in to http://www.google.com/language_tools and put in the language and give us the link it translates, because I don't have a clue what language I'm working with, google doesn't do ancient chinese, martian or Hebrew.

 

[Kadayi]

This latest message from Jerusalem fortunately is in English:-

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to wipe out all Palestinians because they are all equally responsible for the crimes or their fellow citizens....so much for living in the 20th century Israel.

"If they don't stop (trying to expel their oppressors) after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

 

[Solaris]

This latest message from Jerusalem fortunately is in English:-

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to wipe out all Palestinians because they are all equally responsible for the crimes or their fellow citizens....so much for living in the 20th century Israel.

"If they don't stop (trying to expel their oppressors) after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

Terrifying stuff.

 

[Kadayi]

What's even more disturbing are the comments of support in the articles talkback section....the amount of outright racism and religious prophesying are frankly scary.

 

[Jintor]

Welcome to the World you live in, Kadayi.

 

[Nemesis6]

Palestinians are not responsible for civilian losses, but neither is the IDF. The terrorists are the ones who are responsible for civilian losses as they are they ones conducting launches from populated areas. Now, if it was possible to only kill terrorists in the airstrikes, there would be no problem, but they've made sure that this is impossible.

 

[Kadayi]

Welcome to the World you live in, Kadayi.

I've been here a long time, but it's still quite alarming how openly vocal some people are in advocating and supporting genocide. :dozey:

Palestinians are not responsible for civilian losses, but neither is the IDF. The terrorists are the ones who are responsible for civilian losses as they are they ones conducting launches from populated areas. Now, if it was possible to only kill terrorists in the airstrikes, there would be no problem, but they've made sure that this is impossible.

Call me a radical, but perhaps the IDF should try withdrawing completely from Palestine and leave the Palestinian people alone. End the occupation.

 

[CptStern]

If you would have been interested in half of the truth, you could have translated it a hundred times by now.

how? where? google cannot translate your site.

As you are interested only in your virual truth even the pope could not translate it for you.

probably because he CANT ****ING READ HEBREW

takes a lot of effort to write g.o.o.g.l.e...c.o.m. and click translate.

well obviously you havent bothered to see if that would work because it doesnt, making you appear the fool ..especially since you're so adament that google can translate, even after it's been stated repeatedly that it cant ..please provide a translation or stfu. Better yet find me an article in english, surely there are articles from an israeli perspective in english

Your not interested in the truth, your sole interest is your own stench.

is that supposed to make sense? because it doesnt ..what does truth have to do with body odor? (I showered this morning btw)

If you had any honor for truth and justice you would have translated it from ancient chinese.

yes after a trip to a beijing monastary that specializes in Qin dynasty Hunan provincial coloquism circa 200 bc which offers up translations for western clients

 

[SAJ]

This "untranslatable" news item that you are all so keen to dance around, it wouldnt perhaps look something like ... this?

"Capt. 'R' cleared of all charges"

In the 100-page court protocol that summed up the judges' unanimous decision of the shooting, the judges accepted the officer's claim that he thought the schoolgirl was a terrorist. The judges harshly criticized the military police probe, calling it amateurish. They also criticized the media, accusing it of being quick to judge the officer's fate before the court trial had been concluded.

The court also found that Capt. R had acted in accordance with army regulations and genuinely believed that the girl was in fact a terrorist at the time of the shooting.

Capt R. was indicted last November on two counts of illegal use of weapons, obstruction of justice, unbecoming behavior and the improper use of authority that endangered others. Throughout, he denied the charges against him and expressed his intention to clear his name ...

.... In February this year, in a dramatic about-face, one of the soldiers who testified that he had seen Capt. R. shoot Hams to death at point-blank range admitted to the court that he had lied. Because of the developments, the court ordered the release of Capt. R. from custody and the return of his weapon.

At the time, Eizenberg told The Jerusalem Post that the charges against his client were based mainly on the testimonies of two soldiers - the one who recanted and another who, in an earlier hearing, was unable to confirm that the company commander had aimed his weapon and shot the girl.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Also a note to "ehudyoda", get a grip and post sources in English yourself rather than inciting other members and derailing threads in an attempt to belittle other members while you sit on your high horse. Any more of this needless 'throwing of your weight around' and we will just remove you, you're not special in anyway, let me assure you.

 

[ehudyoda]

This "untranslatable" news item that you are all so keen to dance around, it wouldnt perhaps look something like ... this?

Thank you, SAJ.

(Forgot all about the Jerusalem Post)

 

[Kadayi]

Reads like a whitewash. The girl had 15 bullets in her....