Terrorists use kids as cover, then kill them

[Sidewinder]

oh no the poor,poor jews
they're just trying to defend their country by bombing the shit out of neighborhoods in Palestine and Lebanon.

 

[Jintor]

I want to know: a) Why the dramatic about-face, and b) how you could possibly prove anything there.

Legally, yes, you couldn't prove he shot the girl. But I don't feel entirely right about that.

 

[Nemesis6]

I've been here a long time, but it's still quite alarming how openly vocal some people are in advocating and supporting genocide. :dozey:



Call me a radical, but perhaps the IDF should try withdrawing completely from Palestine and leave the Palestinian people alone. End the occupation.

I think you're well aware of the stupidity inherent in that post, so I'm not gonna do that.

 

[Jintor]

Debate rules!

 

[Kadayi]

I think you're well aware of the stupidity inherent in that post, so I'm not gonna do that.

LOL. I doubt you command respect in your underpants let alone have a say in the deployment of the IDF, so I doubt you have much choice in the regard. Those who do have a say though need get with the program and realise that holding to ideas drawn from a 2500 year old racist manifesto isn't getting them anywhere and that it's perhaps time to grow up internationally.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

LOL. I doubt you command respect in your underpants let alone have a say in the deployment of the IDF, so I doubt you have much choice in the regard. Those who do have a say though need get with the program and realise that holding to ideas drawn from a 2500 year old racist manifesto isn't getting them anywhere and that it's perhaps time to grow up internationally.

Years of Riots, Assasinations, and Massacres against Judiacs will not change the day or night that Israel would declare its independence. Are you now somehow suggesting that the Israelis should just give up the rest of they're Northern territories and dissappear from your happy funland?

Thats not how its going to work and thank god the most important tactical decisions on this Earth are not left up to you and PATV brainwashing, for if so, we'd be in a much worse mess then we are in now. As for your racist manifesto, I scoff good sir; as opposed to what? A religion WITHOUT a racist manifesto?

www.pmw.org.il

You must be enjoying the TV there.

 

[ehudyoda]

Voice of reason

Years of Riots, Assasinations, and Massacres against Judiacs will not change the day or night that Israel would declare its independence. Are you now somehow suggesting that the Israelis should just give up the rest of they're Northern territories and dissappear from your happy funland?

Thats not how its going to work and thank god the most important tactical decisions on this Earth are not left up to you and PATV brainwashing, for if so, we'd be in a much worse mess then we are in now. As for your racist manifesto, I scoff good sir; as opposed to what? A religion WITHOUT a racist manifesto?

www.pmw.org.il

You must be enjoying the TV there.

I could not say it any better.

Time after time I am overwhelmed by the amount of hate and ignorance.
So many false & twisted facts that I don't know were to start.

It's hard for me to acknowledge the fact that an opinion has nothing to do with justice or truth, just plain old (very old) racism.

As an optimist I'm used to think that some people "just don't know what's going on" or "some people live in different realities (open borders, peace, etc)" or "television gets the worst out of a situation (it looks bad)" ,etc.

But, every sometime I get a wakeup call of the old bitter truth of racism.

I came to this forum for my love of HL & hardware stuff (dahhhh) and stumbled on this "open minded" lobby by chance.

I know that usualy in any group, extremest = loudest, but some threads over here gets the 'cream de la cream' out...

 

[No Limit]

Years of Riots, Assasinations, and Massacres against Judiacs will not change the day or night that Israel would declare its independence.

Independance from what?

 

[No Limit]

I could not say it any better.

Time after time I am overwhelmed by the amount of hate and ignorance.
So many false & twisted facts that I don't know were to start.

It's hard for me to acknowledge the fact that an opinion has nothing to do with justice or truth, just plain old (very old) racism.

As an optimist I'm used to think that some people "just don't know what's going on" or "some people live in different realities (open borders, peace, etc)" or "television gets the worst out of a situation (it looks bad)" ,etc.

But, every sometime I get a wakeup call of the old bitter truth of racism.

I came to this forum for my love of HL & hardware stuff (dahhhh) and stumbled on this "open minded" lobby by chance.

I know that usualy in any group, extremest = loudest, but some threads over here gets the 'cream de la cream' out...

So if you are right and "those" people are wrong why don't you challange them directly on it?

 

[Kadayi]

Years of Riots, Assasinations, and Massacres against Judiacs will not change the day or night that Israel would declare its independence. Are you now somehow suggesting that the Israelis should just give up the rest of they're Northern territories and dissappear from your happy funland?

Israel needs to respect international law and withdraw from the territories it seized. I'm not seeing what is so remotely controversial about that. I'm not entirely sure what independence has to do with it. You are for international justice when it's in your favour.

Thats not how its going to work

Well given the way it's going in 50 years as a nation you'll be a footnote in the history books in all probability, a fate you will have brought down upon yourselves. The more you press down the more resistance you meet. What has 40 years of illegal occupation brought you? Has it brought you peace?

As for your racist manifesto, I scoff good sir; as opposed to what? A religion WITHOUT a racist manifesto?

Well that would be a good start, I'd recommend the Dao De Ching, it might teach you some humility as a people. God's task to the Israelites was to set an example to the rest of mankind, so far it's been an example of what not to do as a nation. :dozey:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Independance from what?

Years of riots, assasinations, and massacres perpetrated by Judiac fearing Imams, worried that they're religious, social, political, and military power would've been bled dry if one ounce of diversity managed to live next to them on there own street.

To them, it ment sharing or even changing certain policies in lands where for a time and denominationally Arabs ruled with Islamic laws or traditions. A share of power might mean that particular laws or overruled or would not apply to a Judiac simply because of a difference in social, political, or religious interpretation of they're own biblical scriptures.

The press for Israeli independence came as an act of self defense, against a mass exodus which saw Judiacs and even some Christians fleeing Arab territories due to the riots and massacres that were instigated against them aswell, with the largest of movements occuring during the 1880's.

Worsening anti-semitism in Europe and in central eastern and African territories, unexecused and sometimes encouraged also caused many to leave they're former homes by choice. What was waiting for them however, was the same as it ever had been. These are what pre-empted Israels formation as a defensive measure against the Imams racism and bigotry:

History of Judiacs under Arab Rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

Aside the regions of Israel and Judea Jews have lived in the middle east at least since the Babylonian Captivity (597 BCE), about 2,600 years ago.

After the expansion of Arab and other Muslims into the Middle East from the Arabian Peninsula, Jews, along with Christians and Zoroastrians, typically had the legal status of dhimmi. As such, they were entitled to limited rights, tolerance, and protection, on the condition they pay a special poll tax (the "jizya"), which exempted them from military service, and also from payment of the Zakat alms tax required of Muslims. As dhimmi, Jews were typically subjected to several restrictions and mistreatments, the application and severity of which varied by time and place. Conversely, they sometimes attained high positions in government, notably as viziers and physicians. Jewish communities, like Christian ones, were typically constituted as semi-autonomous entities managed by their own laws and leadership, who carried the responsibility for the community towards the Muslim rulers. The treatment of Jews in Muslim lands was generally better than that in Europe. As a result, many Jews sought refuge in Muslim ruled Middle East and North Africa (Maghreb) from persecution in Europe.

See also: Dhimmi
By the late 1940s, conditions of the Jews in many Muslim countries were rapidly worsening through a combination of growing Arab nationalism due to European occupation; Nazi influence in the Axis controlled parts of North Africa; and the conflict in the British Mandate of Palestine. The situation came to a head after 1948 Arab-Israeli war, historically the first military struggle between Jews and Muslims. Consequently many Arab states instituted formal discriminatory laws against their Jewish populations. Within a few decades, most Jews fled Muslim lands, most for the newly created Jewish state, but others went to France, the United States, Great Britain and other Commonwealth nations. In 1945 there were between 758,000 and 866,000 Jews living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,000. In some Arab states, such as Libya which was once around 3 percent Jewish, the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few hundred Jews remain. The largest communites of Jews in a Muslim land exist in the non-Arab countries of Iran and Turkey; both, however, are much smaller than they historically have been.

Jewish ethnic groups that have lived in the majority-Muslim world include Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Temani.

History of Arab-Jewish Community, Safad, one of the many during the peak and beginning of Exodus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safad

In 1833 and 1834, an Arab mob attacked the Jewish community, killing and pillaging many; Seven percent of the lost property was subsequently returned.

Mass Exodus of Jews from Arab Lands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century emigration and expulsion of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from majority Arab lands. This emigration began in the aftermath of the 1948 Arab / Israeli War and was caused by two converging processes. Firstly, the governments and populations in Arab countries began to discriminate against their Jewish citizens. Harassment, persecution and the confiscation of property followed. Secondly, a Zionist drive of Jewish immigration from Arab lands to Israel began. Approximately two-thirds of those affected by these processes emigrated to the modern State of Israel; other common refuge destinations included the United States, Canada and France.[citation needed]

Disruption overall was significant: the ancestors of many Jews had resided within Arab lands for centuries before the advent and spread of Islam in the seventh century CE. The ancestors of others had immigrated in later centuries. Previously sporadic Jewish emigration from Arab lands accelerated following the establishment of Israel in 1948. The process accelerated as Arab nations under French, British and Italian colonial rule or protection gained independence. Further Arab-Israeli wars were sustained by, and in turn exacerbated, anti-Jewish sentiment within the various Arab-majority states. Within a few years after the Six Day War (1967) there were only remnants of Jewish communities left in most Arab lands. Jews in Arab lands have been reduced by more than 99% since 1948.

Some claim that the Jewish exodus from Arab lands is a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, while others reject this comparison as simplistic.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees

1935-1945

The Nazi persecution culminated in the Holocaust of the European Jewry. The British Mandate of Palestine prohibited Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel. The Bermuda Conference, Evian Conference and other attempts failed to resolve the problem of Jewish refugees, a fact widely used in Nazi propaganda. See also S.S. St. Louis

1881-1884, 1903-1906, 1914-1921

Repeated waves of pogroms swept Russia, propelling mass Jewish emigration (more than 2 million Russian Jews emigrated in the period 1881-1920). During World War I, some 250,000 Jews were transferred from western Russia. See also Pale of Settlement, May Laws, Russian Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots

From the Wikipedia Article, 1920 Palestinian Riots

April 4-7, 1920 in the Old City
The annual Nebi Musa spring festival, instituted by Salah ad-Din to ensure a Muslim presence in Jerusalem during the influx of Christian pilgrims celebrating the Easter holiday, was a political, rather than religious event. Arab educator and essayist Khalil al-Sakakini described how tribes and caravans would come with banners and weapons, as if they were going to war.

By 10:30 am on April 4, 1920, 60,000-70,000 had already congregated in the city square, and Arab gangs had already been attacking Jews in the Old City's alleys for over an hour; the Jews hid. Inflammatory anti-Zionist rhetoric was being delivered from the balcony of the Arab Club. One inciter was Hajj Amin al-Husayni; his uncle the mayor spoke from the municipal building's balcony. The editor of the newspaper Suriya al-Janubia (Southern Syria), Aref al-Aref, delivered his speech on horseback. The crowd shouted "Independence! Independence!" and "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs!" The Arab mob ransacked the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, beating anyone they could find and looting shops and homes. Arabs were ripping open the quilts and pillows of their victims, sending up clouds of feathers associated by Jews with the European pogroms. The Toras Chaim yeshiva was raided and Torah scrolls were torn and thrown on the floor, and the building then set alight. It took the British authorities four days to put down the riots.[1]

Khalil al-Sakakini witnessed the eruption of violence in the Old City:

"[A] riot broke out, the people began to run about and stones were thrown at the Jews. The shops were closed and there were screams... I saw a Zionist soldier covered in dust and blood... Afterwards, I saw one Hebronite approach a Jewish shoeshine boy, who hid behind a sack in one of the wall's comers next to Jaffa Gate, and take his box and beat him over the head. He screamed and began to run, his head bleeding and the Hebronite left him and returned to the procession... The riot reached its zenith. All shouted, "Muhammad's religion was born with the sword"... I immediately walked to the municipal garden... my soul is nauseated and depressed by the madness of humankind."

...One of the most important results of the riot was that legal Jewish immigration to Palestine was halted, a major demand of the Palestinian Arab community. Feeling that the British were unwilling to defend them from continuous Arab violence, Palestinian Jews decided to set up an underground self-defense militia, the Haganah ("defense")... ... continued in link.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

From the Wikipedia Article, Jaffa Riots, 1921

On May 1, 1921, the Jewish Communist Party (precursor of the Palestine Communist Party) held a parade from Jaffa to neighbouring Tel Aviv to commemorate May Day. The party had distributed Arabic and Yiddish fliers the previous night that called for toppling British rule and establishing a "Soviet Union of Palestine". The morning of the parade, one of Jaffa's most senior police officers, Toufiq Bey al-Said, visited the party's headquarters to warn the 60 members present not to march. They managed to bypass him and head to Tel Aviv via the mixed Jewish-Arab border neighbourhood of Menashia.[1]

A large May Day parade had also been organised in Tel Aviv by the rival socialist Achdut HaAvoda, with official authorisation. When the two processions met, a fistfight erupted, and the Palestine police chased the communists back to Jaffa;[1] hearing of the fighting, the Arabs of Jaffa went on the offensive.

Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls.[1]

An immigrant hostel run by the Zionist Commission was home to a hundred people who had arrived in recent weeks and days. At 1:00 pm it was attacked by the mob, and though the residents tried to barricade the gate, it was rammed open and the Arabs poured in. The stone-throwing was followed by bombs and gunfire, and the Jewish hostel residents hid in various rooms. Temporary relief at the sight of police vanished when it became apparent that they weren't shooting to disperse the crowd, but were actually aiming at the building. In the courtyard one immigrant was felled by a policeman's bullet at short-range, and others were stabbed and beaten with sticks. Five women fled a policemen firing his pistol; three escaped. A policemen cornered two women and tried to commit rape, but they escaped him despite his shooting. A fourteen-year old girl and some men managed to escape the building, but each was in turn chased down and beaten to death with iron rods or wooden boards.[1]

As in the previous year's Nebi Musa riots, the mob tore apart their victims' quilts and pillows just like in the Russian pogroms, sending up clouds of feathers. Some Arabs defended Jews and granted them refuge in their homes; many witnesses identified their attackers and murderers as their neighbours. Several witnesses said that Arab policemen had participated. ... continued in the link.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

From the Wikipedia Article, 1929 Palestinian Riots

In September 1928, Jews at their Yom Kippur prayers at the Western Wall placed chairs as customary screens between the men and women present. This was described as violating the Ottoman status quo that forbade Jews from making any 'construction' in the Western Wall area. Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, distributed leaflets to Arabs in Palestine and throughout the Arab world which claimed that the Jews were planning to take over the Al Aqsa mosque.

On 15 August 1929 (during the Jewish fast of Tisha B'Av) several hundred members of Betar, the youth organisation of Vladimir Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism movement, under the leadership of Jeremiah Halpern, assembled at the Wall shouting "the Wall is ours". They raised the Jewish national flag and sang the Hatikvah, the Zionist anthem. The authorities had been notified of the march in advance and provided a heavy police escort in a bid to prevent any incidents. Rumours spread that the youths had attacked local residents and had cursed the name of Muhammad.[2][3][4] On Friday, August 16 after an inflammatory sermon, a demonstration organized by the Supreme Muslim Council marched to the Wall and proceeded to burn prayer books[5] and supplicatory notes left in the Wall's cracks. Responding to the Jewish protests, acting High Commissioner Harry Luke answered that "no prayer books had been burnt but only pages of prayer books." The riots continued, and the next day one Jew was killed in the Bukharan Quarter.[5] His funeral was turned into a political demonstration.

On August 20, Haganah leaders proposed to provide defense for 600 Jews of the Old Yishuv in Hebron, or to help them evacuate. However, the leaders of the Hebron community declined these offers, insisting that they trusted the A'yan (Arab notables) to protect them. The next Friday, 23 August, Arabs, inflamed by rumors that two Arabs had been killed by Jews, started an attack on Jews in the Old City. The violence quickly spread to other parts of Palestine. Throughout Palestine, British authorities had only 292 policemen, fewer than 100 soldiers, six armored cars, and five or six aircraft. While a number of Jews were being killed at the Jaffa Gate, British policemen did not open fire[citation needed]. By August 24, 17 Jews were killed in the Jerusalem area.

The worst killings occurred in Hebron and Safed while others were killed in Moza, Kfar Uriya, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.

Hebron massacre

In Hebron, Arab mobs killed 65-68 Jews[6], wounded 58, and raped women. The lone British policeman in the town, Raymond Cafferata, was overwhelmed, and the reinforcements he called for did not arrive for 5 hours (leading to bitter recriminations). Many Jews survived by hiding in their Arab neighbors' houses[7] while others survived by taking refuge in the British police station at Beit Ramon on the outskirts of the city. When the massacre ended, the surviving Jews were forced to leave their home[2] and were evacuated by the British, [7] while their property was seized by the Arab residents and occupied by them until after the Six Day War of 1967.[8]

This massacre had a deep and lasting effect on the Jewish community of Palestine.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Continued.

1929 Safed massacre

In Safed, 18 Jews were killed (some sources say twenty) and 80 wounded. The main Jewish street was looted and burned.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

About one month after the general strike started, the leadership group declared a general non-payment of taxes in explicit opposition to Jewish immigration. In the countryside, armed insurrection started sporadically, becoming more organized with time. One particular target of the rebels was the major TAP oil pipeline constructed only a few years earlier from Kirkuk to Haifa. This was repeatedly bombed at various points along its length. Other attacks were on railways (including trains), Jewish settlements, secluded Jewish neighbourhoods in the mixed cities, and Jews, both individually and in groups.

The strike was called off in October 1936 and the violence abated for about a year while the Peel Commission deliberated and eventually recommended partition of Palestine. With the rejection of this proposal, the revolt resumed during the autumn of 1937, marked by the assassination of Commissioner Andrews in Nazareth. Violence continued throughout 1938 and eventually petered out in 1939 . The decision of the French to crack down on Arab leaders in Damascus may have been a significant factor in stopping the conflict.

Before the complete outbreak of the War for Independence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beit_Nabala

Beit Nabala massacre
A massacre by the Arab Legion of a civilian Jewish bus convoy took place near the village on December 14, 1947, following the Arab rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan. Fourteen Jews were killed and ten injured (nine seriously) on the road from Petah Tikva to Ben Shemen. One British soldier was seriously injured and one slightly wounded. The Arab Legion claimed that a member of the convoy had carried out a grenade attack the previous night on the Arab Legion camp. This was one of the first confirmed involvements of the Arab Legion in attacks on Jews in Palestine.

Sa'Sa Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa'sa'

On February 15, 1948, a Palmach force entered the village during the night and, without resistance, planted explosives against some of the houses. Ten or more houses were totally or partially destroyed and 11 villagers were killed (5 of them small children).[1] According to the official history of the Haganah, the village had been used as a base for Arab fighters.[2]

The village was finally occupied on October 30, 1948, as part of Operation Hiram. Those villagers who had not already fled were expelled. There are also allegations of war crimes at this time. Northern Command OC Moshe Carmel later reported that he had seen evidence of killings, and an official investigation by Major Emanuel Yalan suggested that some villagers, including cripples, may have been killed after the village was occupied. However, the relevant files remain closed to historians.[3]

Ben Yuda Street Bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Yehuda_Street_Bombing

On February 22, 1948, as the conflict over the coming partition of Palestine grew, three car bombs arranged by Arab irregulars exploded on Ben Yehuda Street killing 52 Jewish civilians and leaving 123 injured.

Two British deserters (Eddie Brown, a police captain who claimed that the Irgun had killed his brother, and Peter Madison, an army corporal) were involved in the attack, having been promised pay by Abed al-Kader al-Husseini, who was the commander of the Holy War Army forces in the area.

The British were also blamed because alleged armored trucks with police insignia had escorted the truck bombs into the area.

Hadassah Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadassah_medical_convoy_massacre

The Attack
On April 13, a convoy of 10 vehicles, mostly consisting of Jewish doctors, nurses, medical students and lecturers set off for the hospital in the early morning. At approximately 9:45, the leading vehicle was hit by a mine and the convoy came under attack by Arab irregular forces. Five of the vehicles were able to flee, but five others, including two buses and an ambulance, were unable to escape the ambush and were subject to constant machine gun fire from the surrounding Arabs. After the buses began to leak gasoline, they were set on fire by Molotov cocktails (petrol bombs) thrown by the irregulars. The British forces could have assisted but did not do so until a very late stage.[2]


[edit] Number of Casualties
Altogether approximately 77 Jews were killed by gunfire during the fighting or were burnt when several vehicles were set alight.

Among those killed was Dr. Chaim Yassky, the Director of the hospital and Dr. Moshe Ben-David, who was to be the Director of a new medical school at the hospital (the medical school would eventually be built at Hebrew University in the 1950s).

Many of the bodies could not be identified as they were too mutilated due to the fire. As a result, the decision was made to bury them in a mass grave in the cemetery of Sanhedria, Jerusalem.

Ein Al Zeitun Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_al_Zeitun_massacre

The Ein al Zeitun massacre occurred on May 1, 1948 at the Arab village of Ein al Zeitun (also known as Ein Zaytun, Ein ez Zeitun, Ain el Zeitun, etc) just north of Safed, Israel, then part of the British Mandate for Palestine. Between 30 and 70 Arab prisoners were killed by the Palmach.

Ein al Zeitun at this time was an Arab village of about 800 inhabitants. It was believed by local Jews that Arabs from the village had taken part in a 1929 massacre of Jews in Safed.

The attack on Ein al Zeitun was conducted by the 3rd Battalion of the Palmach under the command of Moshe Kelman, as a preliminary operation to relieve the Arab siege of the Jewish quarter of Safed. Davidka mortar bombs were used for the first time. The village was taken without much difficulty. Most of the villagers fled during the battle, and the remainder, apart from 30-100 men aged 20-40 were forcibly expelled afterwards.

The Palmach soldiers then began to destroy the village. Palmach officer Elad Peled recalled that

?[a]t noon, our men began blowing up the village. The intoxication of victory blinded them and they went berserk, breaking and destroying property. The Jews of Safad saw Ein Zeitun blown up and crushed, and were overjoyed. This was the vengeance for the slaughter that the Arabs of Ein Zeitun carried out against the Jews of Safad and Ein Zeitim.? (Morris p. 233, Abbasi p. 14)
According to Palmach soldier Nativa Ben-Yehuda, the captive men were tied up and thrown into the deep gully between Ein al Zeitun and left for two days. Kelman then decided to "get rid of this problem altogether" but most of his men refused. Finally he found two willing to do it and the prisoners were killed. Two days later, word of the massacre leaked out and it was feared that British or UN investigators would arrive, so some soldiers including Ben-Yehuda were detailed to untie the corpses and bury them.

Confirmation of the massacre is known from other IDF sources (see Morris) and from Arab accounts (see Nazzal).

The destruction of Ein al Zeitun and the consequent massacre terrified the Arabs of Safed and probably contributed to their flight in the coming days (Abbasi, pp. 40-42).

Kfar Etzion Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre

The Kfar Etzion massacre was an act committed by Arab armed forces (more precisely, by Arab irregulars) on May 13, 1948, the day before the declaration of independence of the state of Israel.

...

When the hopelessness of their position became undeniable on May 13, the defenders of Kfar Etzion laid down their arms and attempted to surrender. The number of people killed and the perpetrators are in dispute. According to one account, the main group of about 50 defenders were surrounded by a large number of Arab irregulars, who shouted "Deir Yassin!" and ordered the Jews to sit down, stand up, and sit down again. Suddenly someone opened fire on the Jews with a machine gun and others joined in the killing. Those Jews not immediately cut down tried to run away but were pursued.

The Israeli histories of the Kfar Etzion massacre (such as Levi, 1986, Isseroff, 2005) note that the defenders had put out the white flag and lined up to surrender in front of the school building of the German monastery. There were 133 people there. After they were photographed by a man in a kaffiyeh, an armored car apparently belonging to the Jordanian legion opened fire with its machine gun, and then Arab irregulars joined in. A group of defenders managed to crawl into the cellar of the monastery, where they defended themselves until a large number of grenades were thrown into the cellar. The building was then blown up and collapsed on them. According to this reckoning, about 129 persons were murdered.

Only three of the remaining Kfar Etzion residents and one Palmach member survived. According to their own testimony, the circumstances of their survival were as follows.

Yaacov Edelstein and Yitzhak Ben-Sira tried to hide amongst a jumble of bolders and branches, but they were discovered by a "wrinkled, toothless, old Arab" who told them "Don't be afraid." Then a group of Arab irregulars rushed up and threw them against a wall. The old Arab tried to shield them with his body. As they argued, two Arab Legionnaires came up and took the two Jews under their protection.
Nahum Ben-Sira, the brother of Yitzhak, was away from the main group when the massacre started. He hid until nightfall then escaped to a nearby kibbutz.
Eliza Fauktwanger (Palmach) tried to hide in a ditch with several others. They were discovered and all were killed except Eliza, who was dragged away by two Arab irregulars. As the two were trying to rape her, an Arab Legion officer arrived and shot them dead. Afterwards the officer give her bread, waited until she finished to eat and said to her (quote) "You are under my protection".
A total of 157 defenders died in the battle of Gush Etzion (Levi, 1986), including those killed in the massacre at Kfar Etzion. About 2/3 of them were residents and the remainder were Hagana or Palmach soldiers.

On the following day, the Arab irregular forces continued their assault on the remaining three Etzion settlements. Fearing that the defenders might suffer the same fate as those of Kfar Etzion, Zionist leaders in Jerusalem negotiated a deal for the surrender of the settlements on condition that the Arab Legion protected the residents. The Red Cross took the wounded to Jerusalem, and the Arab Legion took the remainder as prisoners of war. They were later released.

The role of the Arab Legion in the massacre is still debated. There is no doubt that the Legion led the attack on Kfar Etzion (probably on the explicit orders of Glubb Pasha), and at least a few Legionnaires were present when the massacre began. Other than that, the most credible evidence is that of Eliza Fauktwanger, who said that the Legion officer who saved her life also finished off some of the wounded. Glubb Pasha later denied that there had been a massacre at all.

Some of these simply highlight more popular of the massacres, but from 1910 to 1949, these Riots were almost always instigated by Arabs against Judiacs, for fear of there increasing number and sought religious power sharing.

Between the riots as many as 10,000 were killed. In certain cases some of these outbreaks would occur on a daily or weekly basis.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Now onto something completely different ...

Israel needs to respect international law and withdraw from the territories it seized.

It could withdraw from they're territories and strategical that would be the best idea. However, as I'am not the United Nations or Ohmed Olburt, or whatever the hell his name is, I cannot claim responsibility to the retaining of these territories or why they're still occupied.

My idea would be that they present too much of a strategical gain if a foreign power, like Syria or Jordan, used it again in a future military strike. Or, the simple fact that if left alone, militants would reuse these area's as staging points for attacks against Israeli civilians.

According to some laws, however, such claims of withdraw are infact disputed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_territories_captured_by_Israel

Supporters of the view that the territories are not occupied argue that use of the term "occupied" in relation to Israel's control of the areas has no basis in international law or history, and that it prejudges the outcome of negotiations. They regard the territories as "disputed" based on the following legal arguments:

No borders have been established or recognized by the parties. Armistice lines do not establish borders, and the 1949 Armistice Agreements in particular specifically stated (at Arab insistence) that they were not creating permanent or de jure borders.[5]
The United Nations uses the term "disputed" about all other contested areas in the world — even those for which a stronger case for "occupation" can be made. In particular, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem were not referred to as "occupied" during the 19 years that Jordan and Egypt controlled (and in the former case, annexed) them.[6]
Territories are only "occupied" if they are captured in war from an established and recognized sovereign, but no state had a legitimate or recognized sovereignty over the West Bank, Gaza Strip or East Jerusalem prior to the Six-Day War.[7]
The Fourth Geneva Convention is not applicable to the West Bank and Gaza Strip, since, under its Article 2, it pertains only to "cases of…occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party" by another High Contracting party. The West Bank and Gaza Strip have never been the legal territories of any High Contracting Party.[8][9][10]
Even if the Fourth Geneva Convention had applied at one point, they certainly did not apply once the Israel transferred governmental powers to the Palestinian Authority in accordance with the 1993 Oslo Accords, since Article 6 of the convention states that the Occupying Power would only be bound to its terms "to the extent that such Power exercises the functions of government in such territory....".[11]
Israel took control of the West Bank as a result of a defensive war. The language of "occupation" has allowed Palestinian spokesmen to obfuscate this history. By repeatedly pointing to "occupation," they manage to reverse the causality of the conflict, especially in front of Western audiences. Thus, the current territorial dispute is allegedly the result of an Israeli decision "to occupy," rather than a result of a war imposed on Israel by a coalition of Arab states in 1967. Former State Department Legal Advisor Stephen Schwebel, who later headed the International Court of Justice in the Hague, wrote in 1970 regarding Israel's case: "Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defense has, against that prior holder, better title. [12]

Advocates of this argument also claim that historically, Jews have at least as strong of a claim to the West Bank and Gaza Strip as Palestinians do, possibly stronger - the Land of Israel plays a far more important role in Jewish history than in Palestinian or Arab history, and there has been a continuous Jewish presence there for at least three millennia.[13]

You are for international justice when it's in your favour.

An accusation that falls simply too short if the bar for being relevant and one thats entirely unacceptable standing as a misguided and thrown observation copelled with the fact such blames are not to my political, social, or religious responsbility.

I will however state that for the record, if balance is whats being encouraged out of you, you may also view the atrocities commited by Israel which have always been on my record of, 'No No's'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_commited_during_the_1948_Arab-Israeli_war

The Israeli Haganah and Irgun are most known for reprisal massacres with they're victims being uninvolved and non-combative civilians.

Well given the way it's going in 50 years as a nation you'll be a footnote in the history books in all probability, a fate you will have brought down upon yourselves. The more you press down the more resistance you meet. What has 40 years of illegal occupation brought you? Has it brought you peace?

Encouraging violence against Israel is not a solution, but a quagmire. Those people are determined to live with they're share of society and it was but 50 years ago the underdog drew the line in the desert against Euro-Facism and Arab Nationalism, the very two things that consequentially set the existence of Israel spirraling into motion.

For many generations of Jews, to have a country of they're own, no matter how different from the others on this Earth, the answer would be yes, they are at peace to finally have a country of they're own.

As for your implied thought as you would later write that I'am Israeli, your mistaken. I'am not Israeli. Just another observant citizen belonging to x_country, or y_country, probably your country.

 

[Kadayi]

No
According to some laws, however, such claims of withdraw are in fact disputed.

I'll favour the dictates of the UN over lesser judgements when it comes to what is an illegal occupation and what isn't. If Israel ever wishes to be taken seriously in the international community it will need to do so as well.

As for your implied thought as you would later write that I'am Israeli, your mistaken. I'am not Israeli. Just another observant citizen belonging to x_country, or y_country, probably your country.

The issue is moot tbh as I care nothing about your race, religion or creed, only the strength of your arguments. Nothing you've said or linked to possesses any weight to counter the international position regarding the illegality of the occupation of Gaza etc by the IDF. Please feel free to shout, scream and rant as much as you like, I care nothing for your present position. :dozey:

 

[kathaksung]

A stage of "hanging on", waiting for the next super 911 for another war.

How can Bush has US troops stay in Iraq? When he has excuse of "maintain security" there. That's why US and Israel intelligence and pentagon manipulate Al Qaida and insurgence and death squad to create a riot over there.

Why Bush wants a surge when "civil war" is created by himself? Remember the time he needs surge was the time when he plans to attack Iran. He needs more troop for the Iran war.

The Capital Hill resolution is only a show to convince American people they are in "democracy". Does it do anything on Bush? No. He still has troops added up in Iraq. They hang on at a "veto". All the players now are waiting for is another super 911 attack. Once that happens, Bush again will be a hero and Americans will lose more money and lives and civil rights to that Inside group.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I'll favour the dictates of the UN over lesser judgements when it comes to what is an illegal occupation and what isn't. If Israel ever wishes to be taken seriously in the international community it will need to do so as well.

You cannot speak for the international community, just one wing of it and thats yourself. People do take Israel seriously however for the neighbors around it ... not so much.

It's not bias. It's a, "Jewish Controlled Media". It has nothing to do with Christians or Jews or an assumed collaberation "of". Its the simple fact that time and time again the Arab Nations around this country have demonstrated more bloodshed then diplomacy.

Intentionally bombing public places will do that to your international record sub-Islamo Facist record.

The issue is moot tbh as I care nothing about your race, religion or creed, only the strength of your arguments. Nothing you've said or linked to possesses any weight to counter the international position regarding the illegality of the occupation of Gaza etc by the IDF. Please feel free to shout, scream and rant as much as you like, I care nothing for your present position.

I was thinking that your second post would have offered more of a challenge to my opinions and that you would have had at least something more intellectual to say in this debate besides a, "Yea? So? ... your a stinky buttface" rebuttal.

 

[leib10]

Not exactly a new phenomenon. The Red Army tied German civilians to their tanks as they advanced into East Prussia and Germany. I'm sure they weren't the only ones either.

 

[kathaksung]

Propaganda arm of US intelligence - ABC - have another psychological operation on people.

Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe
June 18, 2007 4:45 PM

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html

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Typical disinformation from "strategy office" of intelligence.
Tamed sheep said "Maeee."

1. To convince tamed sheep the news is reliable, they said a journalist was invited. Have ever heard that covert work to be drum beated and trumpet blowed? Have you ever heard of that CIA, KGB, Mossad .... all secret organization in the world hold a ceremony for their special mission team? It means: "Please get ready to arrest the men we will send to you."

2. Even American citizens have problem in travel across the board, many of them were in "no fly" list. How can Taliban send large team to wherever they want to go?

3. Taliban lost its own rule in Afghanistan, Al Qaida run cave to cave. They can't even take care of themselves. How can they do what ever they want abroad?

4. If Al Qaida have nuclear weapon or other WMD weapon, why don't use it in Mid-east where there is US army Base everywhere? And to transfer weapon and militants to US and Europe is much more difficult and dangerous than to use it in Iraq and Afghan.

5. This news may prove the leadership of the Al qaida is controlled by US intelligence. For the propaganda interest of US intelligence, they even had a ceremony for the education of the suicider and invite journalist to take photograph despite the danger for its own recruite fighters.

This news from ABC is obviously a new wave of propaganda. To justify a coming "terror attack". Only this attack is from our government itself. To save the reputation of Bush and his group.

 

[kirovman]

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

lol, al Qaeda training camps have graduation ceremonies... do they throw their turbans up in the air?

A terrorist graduation ceremony would be a good airstrike target :E

 

[Nemesis6]

Propaganda arm of US intelligence - ABC - have another psychological operation on people.

Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe
June 18, 2007 4:45 PM

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html

---------

Typical disinformation from "strategy office" of intelligence.
Tamed sheep said "Maeee."

1. To convince tamed sheep the news is reliable, they said a journalist was invited. Have ever heard that covert work to be drum beated and trumpet blowed? Have you ever heard of that CIA, KGB, Mossad .... all secret organization in the world hold a ceremony for their special mission team? It means: "Please get ready to arrest the men we will send to you."

2. Even American citizens have problem in travel across the board, many of them were in "no fly" list. How can Taliban send large team to wherever they want to go?

3. Taliban lost its own rule in Afghanistan, Al Qaida run cave to cave. They can't even take care of themselves. How can they do what ever they want abroad?

4. If Al Qaida have nuclear weapon or other WMD weapon, why don't use it in Mid-east where there is US army Base everywhere? And to transfer weapon and militants to US and Europe is much more difficult and dangerous than to use it in Iraq and Afghan.

5. This news may prove the leadership of the Al qaida is controlled by US intelligence. For the propaganda interest of US intelligence, they even had a ceremony for the education of the suicider and invite journalist to take photograph despite the danger for its own recruite fighters.

This news from ABC is obviously a new wave of propaganda. To justify a coming "terror attack". Only this attack is from our government itself. To save the reputation of Bush and his group.

Are you Alex Jones or Dylan Avery?

 

[kathaksung]

493. Beware of terror attack around 7/4 (6/28/07)

Now media reports a poll showed Bush is in a new low. His approval rate was only 26%. I think in other way. Since media is controlled by intelligence, it is an extortion on Bush: Act now or you will be the worst President in history.

What action the intelligence demanded? Terror attacks to justify a new war. Terror attack benefit ruling class, it's common sense.

Quote, "Arkansas GOP head: We need more 'attacks on American soil' so people appreciate Bush

Josh Catone Published: Sunday June 3, 2007

In his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Arkansas_GOP_head_We_need_more_0603.html

Here is another news from ABC. May indicate a new plot of terror attack.
Quote, "Exclusive: Suicide Bomb Teams Sent to U.S., Europe

June 18, 2007 4:45 PM

Large teams of newly trained suicide bombers are being sent to the United States and Europe, according to evidence contained on a new videotape obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9.

A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/exclusive_suici.html

Is it true story? I believe so. It's a news from "reliable" mainstream media: ABC. They even invited journalist taking pictures as evidence. But the whole event is a well planned plot. To justify massive terror attacks in Europe and US. Here is my analysis.

1. To convince tamed sheep the news is reliable,a journalist was invited. Have ever heard that covert work to be drum beaten and trumpet blown? Have you ever heard of that CIA, KGB, Mossad .... all secret organization in the world hold a ceremony for their special mission team? It means: "Please get ready to arrest the men we will send to you." Will a bandit have a news announcement before they rob a bank?

2. Even American citizens have problem with their government in travel across the board, many of them were in "no fly" list. How can Al Qaida send large team to wherever they want to go?

3. Taliban lost its own rule in Afghanistan, Al Qaida run cave to cave. They can't even take care of themselves. How can they do whatever they want in abroad?

4. If Al Qaida have nuclear weapon or other WMD weapon, why don't use it in Mid-east where there is US army Base everywhere? And to transfer weapon and militants to US and Europe is much more difficult and dangerous than to use it in Iraq and Afghan.

5. This news proved my allegation. The leadership of Al Qaida or Taliban or insurgence are the informants of the Western intelligence. They work for the interest of the Inside Group. They recruit discontented people, train them into militants, insurgents, or suicide bombers. We are familiar with this tactic. (A typical sample is Miami terror cell. Poor, innocent, discontented people were recruited. Then instructed by FBI informant to swear royal to Al Qaida and plan attack to FBI office.) In Mid-east, they were trained as suicide-bomber. As you have seen, the suicide bomb target were always innocent people in the market place or the new Iraqi police. On the purpose to provoke a civil war. For the propaganda interest of US intelligence, they now had an education ceremony of the suicides and invite journalist to take photograph despite the danger for its own recruited fighters.

Watch the date of this news: 6/18. After the failure of 6/15 plot, they rapidly develop a new one. I think the "terror attack" will be around 7/4 the independence day. The Feds used to find excuse for the "enemy". And it will be massive suicide bombings in Europe and US.

 

[-Psy-]

Truly a master of Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V.

 

[kathaksung]

495, Murder tactic, bombing the shopping center (7/8/07)

In my message #493 posted on 6/28, I warned possible massive terror attack in Europe and US.

Next day and the day after (6/29 and 6/30), there were three bombing case in UK. I think it belongs to the July 4th plot I warned.

That three cases obviously are terror propaganda from intelligence.

1. The two car bombs found in London were loaded with gasoline, nails and gas canisters. It would have caused significant casualty had it exploded. If the third car in Glasgow Airport packed with same thing, the result would be disastrous. But it only caught a fire. Why? Did the terrorist care about the innocent passengers' lives? No, it's because the operator was inside the car. He cared about his own live.

2. If it was a terror attack with a flaming car, one man was enough. Drove a car and crashed it into a terminal, then ignite the gasoline. It's that simple. What was that second man for? Nothing but a "reliable" witness intelligence needed.

3. A typical terror cell created in this way: An informant, disguised as anti - Western fighter, recruit discontented people. In Mid-east, they become insurgents or Al Qaida. In Western, they become terror cell. These people, usually become sacrifice in the plot planned by intelligence.

I think the driver of that Jeep Cherokee is such a sacrifice. He was seriously burned and could die of it. The other one, is a living evidence. In Mardrid bombing, the suicide bombers carelessly left a phone to identify themselves. In 911 attack, the passport of suicide team leader Atta survived the impact and fire. It proved that Arabs attacked US. The unhurt man in Glasgow case plays the role of Atta's passport and forgotten phone.

4. Media has different attitude on different case. It may reflect the attitude of the intelligence. VT shooting case is the worst camp killing in US history. In less than a week, the news about it completely disappeared from the media. They wish people forget it forever. Three bombing case in UK result no death, (improved tactic?) The media keep it alive until now. Each day there is a new development. "Eight in custody for British attacks", "Suspects all in medical field", and recent one, "Two suspects sought to work in US".

That is their real purpose - to justify terror attack in US. Since 7/7/05 London bombing, I always alleged it was a cover up work to justify the real bombing coming up later in US. The real target is me. Though the bombing is in the name of terror attack on Independence Day, the tactic is to lure me to the big shopping center by cheap food so that a murder fulfilled in a "terror attack". The recent ads from nearby supermarket full of the food I used to buy. All with good price rarely seen these days. Of course, I dare not go to the trap. I stay home on stored food.

Then I saw this message.

Quote, "FBI: Suicide Bombs a Big Concern

PAT MILTON Wed, Jul. 04, 2007
The Associated Press

NEW YORK - Suicide bombers have not hit the United States since the 9/11 terrorist hijacking attacks, but they remain a constant concern because of their prevalence around the globe and determination to die for their causes, according to the FBI's chief of counterterrorism.

Billy, the FBI assistant director in charge of counterterrorism, made his comments during a rare wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press, days before the failed car bombing in London and the airport bombing in Glasgow."

The interview was made days before 6/29. It was for July 4th plot. Notice that Associated Press issued it on July 4. It means though National Holiday is over, the bombing plot will continue. So when there is a bombing happens in US, check if it is in North San Jose or its nearby area. I have to go out shopping anyway.

 

[Nemesis6]

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...ght&hl=da&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=dk&client=firefox-a

Seeing as you posted the same stuff in a stoner/weed-forum, I think I know why you suspect the government of doing all these things; A known side-effect of weed is that it makes you paranoid. I think we've found the cause of all this cutting and pasting!

 

[kirovman]

In my message #493 posted on 6/28, I warned possible massive terror attack in Europe and US.

Next day and the day after (6/29 and 6/30), there were three bombing case in UK. I think it belongs to the July 4th plot I warned.

Yes, I too think that a failed bombing on the 29th and 30th June belongs to "the July 4th plot".

The terrorists ingenious strategy to cause maximum disruption to July 4th celebrations in the USA by attacking Glasgow airport, of the United Kingdom on the 30th June is so cunning it's virtually the most intelligent thing anyone has ever done.


I'm also a firm believer that the attacks on September 11th were part of the 31st August plot when Kyrgyzstan celebrated independence from the Soviet Union... coincidence? I think not.

I also think that the July 7th bombings were part of the Christmas Eve plot. By attacking London in the middle of summer, the terrorists could be assured that the Feng Shui of the London Underground was sufficiently disrupted as to create inner disharmony amongst millions of youngsters across the world when their presents arrived at Christmas time.

 

[-Psy-]

 

[kathaksung]

497. July plot: a nuclear bombing (7/18/07)

To make a secret deal under table, then to cover up it by a dispute in appearance, it's a trick often played by the secret police. Another typical story is the death of Litvinenko. Litvinenko was killed by radioactive poison. It creates public panic on radioactive material so bombing Iran nuclear site is justified. It also creates a dispute between Russian and U.K. to cover up a secret deal between western and eastern. What is the secret deal? A dirty bomb attack or nuclear bomb attack on Europe or US. The radioactive material or the nuclear bomb will come from Russia. A dispute in appearance makes a cover up. People won't suspect there is a conspiracy behind the scene.That was November plot. (see "451. The death of former Russian spy (11/25/06") It was soured then but now is revived.

In early July Russian leader Putin visited Bush family's Main home. I allege a secret deal have been reached there.

1. A hostility cover up created. On July 14, Putin tears up Arms Pact with NATO. They successfully run up a dispute event.

2. In July, UK ousted 4 Russian diplomats based on Litvinenko's case. After seven months, Litvinenko's case revived again.

3. Though it seems Russia's relations with West hit a new low point, it is only a fake mask. In July, Russia is granted to host the next Winter Olympic game. It is a pre-payment for the secret deal. Too familiar with it that UK was granted to host 2012 Olympic game on 7/6/05, next day (7/7) the first bombing in London broke off. And China was granted the host of 2008 Olympic in 2001 after it signed secret deal with the Feds to frame a big drug case in US.

4. An unusual massive preconception psychological operation in domestic. Here are some major operations: On 7/10, Homeland Security Chief M. Chertoff warned terror attack based on his gut feeling. On 7/11, Government Report Concludes Al Qaeda Now as Strong as in Summer of 2001. Then came with 50 seconds' Bin Laden's tape calling for "martyrdom". The latest is the yesterday's (7/17) "Grim view of terror threat" from National Intelligence Estimate which suggests the threat of terrorist violence against the US is growing worse.

You see, another terror attack is ready. Psychological propaganda has been done. Here is a pre-warning of the planned nuke terror:

Quote, "AMERICAN HIROSHIMA

Expert: Nuke terror better than even bet
Attack likely to exploit existing network of cross-border human, drug traffickers
Posted: July 6, 2007

? 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON - A nuclear terrorist attack on the U.S. is better than an even bet in the next 10 years, says a former assistant secretary of defense and author of a book on the subject.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56524

Though the article issued on 7/6, I learned it yesterday. When circumstance evidences show Feds prepared a nuke attack, that article strengthens the idea. So I clicked on it for the original one. I surprisingly found it was the same site that had predicted the VT camp violence. (see "494. Preconception, a tactic of the Feds (9)(7/3/07)). It seems that I have found the original preconception source of the Feds. Read #494 and watch the reference articles from worldnetdaily. You'll understand how Feds manipulate public's mind.

 

[kirovman]

All so that McDonald's can sell Big Macs at $5.99.

It's monstrous.

 

[kathaksung]

499. July plot (2) (7/28/07)

I believe Feds have planned another big plot in July. They would have framed a drug case in Bay area, then distracted it by a big terror attack - a dirty bomb attack or a nuclear bomb attack. And finally would have started war against Iran.

1. From 7/2 to 7/8, in three big Chinese newspaper of San Francisco Bay Area, FBI had a continued ads: "FBI, to protect the freedom and democracy of our country..... We particularly welcome those who know very well about the Chinese State Security Dept. to contact us. If you don't understand English, our English speaking investigator will help you. Please call (415) 553-6400 or write to: FBI, P.O. Box 36015, San Francisco, CA. 94103. Contact Hao Shi." The ads shocked the Chinese community in San Francisco area. It remained as a hot issue in the first two weeks in Chinese media.

If you have read my previous articles about the Virginia Tech. case, you know what is it.

1. Demonize. Either a Chinese mass killer, or Chinese spies, it used to demonize that Chinese are evil, a pre-conception for a drug case which Chinese will be involved.
2. Cover up. The most direct cover up on the relationship between Chinese State Security Dept. and FBI. As a matter of fact, the two are the partners in secret deal to frame the drug case.

Be noticed that the ads was from the FBI office in San Francisco Bay area. The targets are Chinese. Think of the origin news about the VT shooting gunman was "a Chinese from Shanghai via San Francisco."

2. I have said that July terror attack would be a nuclear attack. (see #497.) Here are other development.

On 7/16, a magnitude 6.8 earthquake stroke a Japanese city Kashiwazaki. What caught my eye in news was a map which showed a nuclear power plant near the site. Was it used for a nuclear pollution panic? Though the first day news said there was no leakage, the later news was different.

Quote, "Level of damage raised at Japan nuclear plant" (S.J. Mercury News, 7/19/07)
"Radioactive leak lasted three days
The indefinite shut down of the world's most powerful electricity generating facility raised serious fears of a summer power shortage." (S.J. Mercury News, 7/20/07)

So that was why the earthquake took place in Kashiwazaki - where there is the world's most powerful nuclear power plant. It was the time when Feds prepared for a nuclear terror attack and war on Iran. If everything went on to their plan, a nuclear pollution would have been propagated and war on Iran would be justified.

( I always think Pentagon has had the technique of earthquake. I have said in "324. Tsunami (6/27/05)"

1. US has developed such technique to create an earthquake and tsunami. Cohen had talked about it as early as 1997, though he blamed the "others". Re: "Others are engaging even in an eco type of terrorism, whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes or volcanos remotely, through the use of electromagnetic waves." American Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, April 1997.

http://vialls.net/subliminalsuggestion/tsunami.html)


3. Iran war.

"Iran to allow inspectors into nuclear facility" (Mercury News, 7/14/07)

Though the media played it a small news, it was a big one actually.

Iran resisted U.N. inspection on its nuclear cite for a long time. Even bear the punishment to be sanctioned economically. Iran thought it was their sovereignty. What made it to do such a big compromise?

With my own observation, I have concluded that in July, Feds would frame a drug case, made a false flag "terror attack" to distract, and with which US would activate Iran war.

Iran, as a state, has its own intelligence. Iran, too, realized an attack from US was imminent in July. It had to make a concession.

 

[kathaksung]

Psychological Operation

When Bush needed war in Mid-east, he activated 911 attack, in the name of Al Qaida. We saw the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

When Bush needs more troops for war on Iran, he did it by surge, in the name to fight Al Qaida in Iraq. This is why Al Qaida bombed Shiite shrine in Sammara and bombing Iraqi civilians in the market: to provoke a civil war in Iraq so Bush can have an excuse to surge.

The troop is ready, but he still needs an excuse to start the war. Beware of another super 911. This time it is likely a nuclear bombing, he'll take the advantage of "shock and awe" to start another war.

That's why you have Chertoff's gut feeling, double reward of Bin Laden's head, new Bin Laden's tape, London's bomb case, all are psychological operation for the coming false flag terror attack. It's that simple.

 

[kathaksung]

The real terrorist

The war on terror is created by the Inside group. It is a terror war on people. Al Qaida is a puppet tool of US intelligence. A lot of people have recognized 911 was a false flag "terror attack". That's why you saw 911 attack targetted at civilians, even the victims in Pentagon were mostly civilian staffs and contractors. The Bali bombing targetted civilians' night club. Madrid bombing targetted at civilians, so did London bombing. And most evident case are the bombing case in Iraq. Al Qaida used to bomb the market, causing hundreds deaths of innocent people. All the bombers died in attack, no one survived. We were told by government they were Al Qaida. Is that too convenient to attribute all the crimes to someone unknown? This government can do whatever they want. For what reason Al Qaida focus at innocent people? There is only one reason: to instigate the indignation so the ruling class can get whatever they want.

Can Iraq return to peace? Yes, if CIA and Pentagon controlled Insurgence and Al Qaida stopping to attack people. But then US has no reason to stay in Iraq. Remember, they need troops there for more war: Iran and Iraq.

Can US remain safe? Yes, if US and Israel intelligence stopped activate false flag terror attack at people. But then the Inside Group lost its way to squeeze power and money from people.

I need power and money, you don't give me? All right, then taste 911 attack, anthrax attack, DC sniper shooting spree. ...... You have to approve "Patriot Act", "Iraq war authorization Bill", double Pentagon Budget, release military fund for Iraq......

They can achieve victory at any time if they needed (by stopping false flag attack) to save its popularity and win President election. But they can also start "terror attack" at any time to ask for more power and money. That's the truth of US politics.

 

[Absinthe]

**** Eurasia.

 

[CptStern]

support euthanasia

 

[French Ninja]

**** Eurasia.

Oceanian ****!

D:

 

[kathaksung]

507. The coming stock market crash (9/8/07)

In early August, when I learned that the authority would shut down Bay Bridge in Labor Day week-ends, to my experience with Feds, I knew there would be another plot planned that month, and the action date was at 8/31 to 9/3.

Then news said Karl Rove would leave his office on 8/30. People couldn't find the reason why Rove resigned at this time, they could only guess that he was leaving a sunken ship. I related it to the August plot. Because to distract a framed drug case, there would come a massive terror attack. He left the day before another "super 911", to extricate himself from the suspicion of being the mastermind of terror attack and also to lull the people into a false sense of peace that an evil brain of Bush was absent so no conspiracy was in progress.

Then there came such a news:

Quote, "$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe within four weeks

Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
August 26, 2007

The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.

There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.

The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!

Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.

THEORIES:

The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:

1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;

2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
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Bear in mind that the last time anyone conducted such large and unusual stock option trades (like this one) was in the weeks before the attacks of September 11.

Back then, they bought huge numbers of PUTS on airline stocks in the same airlines whose planes were involved in the September 11 attacks.

Despite knowing who made these trades, the Securities and Exchange Commission NEVER revealed who made the unusual trades and no one was ever publicly identified as being responsible for the trades which made upwards of $50 million when the attacks happened.

The fact that this latest activity by a single entity gambles on a complete collapse of the entire market by the third week in September, seems to indicate someone knows something really huge is in the works and they intend to profit almost $2 Billion within the next four weeks from whatever happens! This is really worrisome."

Source: Ticker Forum <http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=4669>
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/08/45b-bet-on-another-911-within-4-weeks.html

I'll post my analysis on this stock option in next message. And besides theories 1 and 2, this group has another way, that is to sell down the market in the name of "sub-prime" crisis - a tactic they are carrying on now.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Kathasung, stop! It's dead already! It's dead!

*pulls Kathasung away from a CPR bruised corpse*

Kathasung ... no matter how hard you try, you're never going to revive it. The thread --it's just not coming back. We have to move on -

*whipes the sweat and tears off of Kathasung's soft, boy like cheeks painted with sorrow*

 

[kathaksung]

508. The stock market crash (2) (9/13/07)

There was also another similar trade done earlier in European stock market.

Re: "Renée Schultes
16 Aug 2007

Carry trade unwinds as yen hits one-year high

An anonymous investor has placed a bet on an index of Europe's top 50 stocks falling by a third by the end of September, as world equity markets plunged for a third day and volatility hit a three-year high.

The mystery investor has bought put option contracts on the DJ Eurostoxx 50 index that will result in a profit if it plunges to 2,800 or below by the end of September. Based on the 2,800 strike price, the position covers a notional €6.9bn, and potentially even more using a market price of about 4,100 when the trades were done on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The identity of the investor is unknown but market sources speculated it was either a large hedge fund hedging itself against deepening losses, or a long-only fund manager pressing the panic button to protect its gains.

The investor has bought a total of 245,000 put options on the index. The September put option with a 2,800 strike was the most popular DJ Eurostoxx 50 contract yesterday, according to data from Bloomberg.

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/08/mystery-trader-bets-market-will-crash.html

The news was dated on 8/16. So the main trade was done on 8/15 (yesterday of 8/16). That was coincidence with the first phase of August plot. (8/15, Peru earth earthquake. 8/16, my wife's Peru travel started.) The operation of "make a fortune" started at same time of operation elimination.

Someone unknown foresaw a big stock market collapsing any time between 8/16 to the late September. It could be the result of expecting a mass terror attack. And I have alleged that kind of terror attack would happen right after the action date of 8/31 to 9/3 when Bay Bridge was shut down.(to distract a framed drug case)

This is why on 9/5, we saw two news in media, one was about terror attack and the other was about China dumping US dollars. Both were planned as the first wave of attack on stock market.

Re: "Germany arrests 3 in alleged plot on U.S. sites
By Noah Barkin and Sabine Siebold Wed Sep 5, 9:03 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070905/wl_nm/security_germany_suspects_dc

Re: China threatens `nuclear option' of dollar sales
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/05/bcnchina105.xml

Then why did the Feds set the liquidate date of the stock option on 9/21 and the end of September not in early September? Because they planned a main attack on stock market in Mid-September. At that time, Federal Reserve would have a meeting to discuss about the bench mark interest rate.

Feds build up an expectation that the Federal Reserve will reduce the interest rate to save the economy which is hit by the sub prime loan crisis. If the interest rate remains unchanged or goes upwards, then it will touch off a selling wave to crash the stock market.

509. Murder the investigator (9/18/07)

Federal Reserve cut the interest rate by half percent today. Stock market rally. It's a reverse operation. Cut the rate or increase the rate, they always have reason to justify. They still can make money on it by buying an up market.

On 9/6, there was a news in Mercury News: "Rep. Paul Gillmor, R-Ohio, was found dead Wednesday morning in his Arlington, Va. townhouse. Arlington police are investigating the lawmaker's death but police spokesman John Lisle said it appeared to be from natural cause."

Then an article in internet speaks in other way. Paul Gillmor was a member of House Finance Committee. He was investigating that suspicious option trading. He likely was murdered for it.

Quote, "9-11-2007- WHAT'S GOING ON?

September 11, 2007 at 09:58:57

Going into Labor Day weekend, there were lots of rumors anticipating a false flag operation, another 9-11. Trainloads of armored vehicles rolled into Houston. The San Francisco Bay bridge closed for three days. Suspicious activity was reported on ferries in Puget Sound. Ominous civil defense exercises are being held in Oregon, as part of Operation Noble Resolve, which also involves military jets flying over New York. An antiaircraft division is ordered to Washington DC.

We made it through the holiday safely.
Then last Wednesday, Congressman Paul Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in his home. This was reported as a heart attack, until word leaked out that he had blunt trauma to the head and neck. <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649320/> Now we're being told he fell down the stairs. Gillmor was investigating a series of option trades that are suspicious- someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will fall 50% by September 21st. Even with the housing crisis, it would take a major catastrophe, like a "terrorist" attack, to precipitate such a plunge. As part of his job on the House Finance Committee, Gillmor was investigating this deal. Was he murdered because he was about to reveal something?

Would this death, on top of the deaths of Senators Wellstone and Carnahan, and the anthraxing of Senators Daschle and Leahy, have a chilling effect on people in Congress? Maybe that's why they're "spineless".

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_carol_wo_070911_9_11_2007__what_s_go.htm

I think Paul Gillmor was murdered by Feds. The murderer who is behind the "Bin Laden option trades", and other terror attacks such like Virginia Tech shooting; DC sniper shooting; anthrax letter; 911 attack as well.

Paul Gillmor's death may prove that "Bin Laden option trade" was part of the "August plot"(8/31 to 9/3). The plot went soured under my continuous warning in advance.

His death also proves what we need is not warrantless surveillance and the Patriot Act and its derivatives. These are all the tools Feds used to persecute and murder US citizens. What we need is a law to strengthen the check and balance on Feds, on DOD and DOJ. Those departments, under the cover of "national security" and "top secret", become ruthless, corrupt and outlaw. They are the cancer of democracy.

 

[Nemesis6]

Kathaksung, do you surf the web through a proxy and do you play the video game called "Half Life 2"?

 

[kathaksung]

510. A nuclear attack in August plot (9/23/07)

9/6, under the briefing news about Rep. Paul Gillmor's death, Mercury News also reported: "Nuclear warheads flown between bases in error

A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more then three hours across several states last week,.....
The plane carried Advanced Cruise Missiles from Minot Air Force Base, N.D. to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug 30."

Then in same internet article, I learned that in military procedure, nuclear weapons must be shipped on the ground in the continental US in case there is an accident.

Re: "9-11-2007- WHAT'S GOING ON?

September 11, 2007 at 09:58:57

Now we learn that on August 30th, six nuclear warheads were "accidentally" shipped by B-52 from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. (Five arrived, did one get "lost"? Or is someone unable to count?) This violates all military procedure, which requires that nuclear weapons always be shipped on the ground in the continental US, so that if there's an accident, a bomb detonation won't occur. It would take an order from the Commander-in-Chief to put nukes on a plane.

The warheads were reportedly fastened to cruise missiles, which have a range of 1500-2000 miles. Not enough to cross the Atlantic, but enough to hit cities in the US as part of a false flag operation. This scenario is being claimed by "military investigators" on the Hal Turner show, and is making its way around the internet. It's being said the plan was to hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in order to install martial law. If so, we have been saved by the grace of God, operating through loyal American whistleblowers, who made the "accidental shipment" of nuclear warheads public."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_carol_wo_070911_9_11_2007__what_s_go.htm

If you are a regular reader of my journal, you know as early as 8/18 I have predicted that 8/31 to 9/3 would be the action day of the August plot.(the day when Bay Bridge closed) I also repeatedly alleged there would be false flag terror attack (likely dirty bomb attack or nuclear weapon attack) to distract the framed case. This news proves my allegation. The attack would be from the government insider not from Islamic terrorist. It also alerted me that I under-estimated the Feds. Their tactic is not distract but pre-distract.

In distract case, a framed drug case broke off. Suspects died in arrest or in custody. Then terror attack follows to distract, turns public attention away from the case. But the news of drug case would leave trace in some people's mind.

In pre-distract case, something bigger takes place in advance of the framed case. Next day, when people are in the peak of panic, any other news would be ignored. Or, most likely, there is no report on any other small news (small compare to a nuclear bombing, and there are six of them. You can imagine how many pages and times spent by media to cover up the scene of each bombed city) No one knows about the drug case. Pre-distract is a thorough censorship.

I have predicted 4/17 as action day of April plot. (The last day for file a tax return) There was a massacre in Virginia Tech which shocked the whole country on 4/16.

I have predicted 8/31 to 9/3 as action day of August plot. (Bay Bridge closed) There was an attempted nuclear bombing incident on 8/30. All planned one day before the main action day. So the pre-distract plays its utmost.

I think my continuous revelation soured the plot. If their plan went through, six US cities would have been destroyed, Feds would take over the states with Martial law. A framed drug case in California next day, would sink into oblivion.

If the plan went through, that B-52 would have been shot down after it released the missile. The crew, actually worked like a suicide bomber. They only deliver something to the order. They never know they were the sacrifice. The news of the "accident" of B-52, would have sink into the ocean of nuclear panic too. That's why the bomb is not regular nuclear bomb. They were advanced cruise missiles armed with nuclear heads. All targets were pre-settled. They shoot automatically by the remote control command. At that time, I believe the TV would broadcast another tape from Bin Laden to claim a victory of Jihad. And Russian would admit they lost six nuclear bombs in their warehouse.

511. Seven most wanted cities by Feds (9/28/07)

In October plot last year, seven cities were targets.
On 10/9/06, North Korea had a nuclear test. (Manipulate N.Korea through China to push for a nuclear panic and justify the source of nuclear material used in dirty bomb.)
On 10/11, Lidle's small plane crashed to a sky-rise in New York. (To justify the terror attack method, that small plane's action is out of control.)
On 10/12, a warning of dirty bomb attack was posted in internet which claimed seven NFL football stadiums will be hit with radiological "dirty bombs".

Homeland Security Department said the threat was being viewed "with strong skepticism". The FBI also expressed doubt about the threat.

However in August plot this year, there is a strange coincidence that a news said Al Qaida targets at seven US cities. This time there was no doubt expressed.

Re: Al-Qaida Plans Nuclear
Attacks on 7 U.S. Cities
NewsMax Wires

Seasoned investigative reporter and former FBI consultant Paul Williams reveals the alarming potential for nuclear terrorism on U.S. soil and the sinister connections among organized crime, illegal immigrants, and al-Qaida.

Recently, FBI Director Robert Mueller, in an interview with NewsMax, confirmed Williams' main claim. Mueller said al-Qaida's paramount goal is clear: to detonate a nuclear device that would kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Williams maintains that al-Qaida is not content on blowing up one nuclear device or even simply a "dirty" nuke - but wants to explode real nuclear devices in seven U.S. cities simultaneously

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BE-1

Obviously Feds has 7 US cities as their most wanted. Then why there were only six nuclear missiles prepared in this operation? Because a B-52 can only hang 6 missiles in each of its wing. One wing must hang un-nuclear missiles to justify a security check has been done. So six was their utmost.

Re: "How warheads made an unplanned flight

By Joby Warrick and Walter Pincus, The Washington Post
September 23, 2007

WASHINGTON -- --

The airmen attached the gray missiles to the plane's wings, six on each side. After eyeballing the missiles on the right side, a flight officer signed a manifest that listed a dozen unarmed AGM-129 missiles. The officer did not notice that the six on the left contained nuclear warheads, each with the destructive power of up to 10 Hiroshima bombs."

Which are the most wanted cities of Feds? Two in October plot 2006 were Oakland and Houston. One of my sister (I think she is a murder target of the Feds) lives in Oakland. In August 2007 plot, Feds prepared a shut down of Bay Bridge (which connects Oakland and San Francisco). I think they planned a tunnel bombing for my sister so Oakland could exempt from a nuclear attack last month. Houston is a city one of my cousin lives. (Is my cousin a target too?) I'm sure it's a target because in Katrina case, Houston was the predicted landing spot of Hurricane Rita. And the Hurricane landing day was September 24, the action day of the plot.

The other two cities would be Washington DC and Boston, I think. The White House was said one target of the four planes in 9/11/2001. Only that plane crashed in mid-way. But to justify a war on Iran, to destroy Capital is a necessity. Boston has been in hit list in several terror case. In 1/20/2005, there was a Boston dirty bomb case. In late January 2007, there was an ad scare case in Boston. The ad box which could turn into bombing box appeared in 10 US cities. All planned by Feds, I allege.

Do you live in one of these cities?

 

[delusional]

Do you live in one of these cities?

No, but is their any way for me to protect myself from the feds. And how can we fight back, i mean we can predict all this bad stuff but how do we stop the government.