Terrorists use kids as cover, then kill them

[repiV]

If I see the usual suspects making a big a deal of this as they do about legitimate soldiers killing armed terrorists in battle, I think I'll die of shock.

Clicky

 

[CptStern]

newsflash: terrorists do horrible things .....cuz they're terrorists


I for one am shocked and horrified

If I see the usual suspects making a big a deal of this as they do about legitimate soldiers killing armed terrorists in battle

apples and oranges ..had you said "legitimate soldiers killing children" then you might have a point ..however the difference being that the soldiers are supposed to be the good guys ....terrorists however are ...well terrorists

 

[lePobz]

Depends what side of the fence you're on. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I guess if you blow kids up, you're a very bad man either way.

 

[CptStern]

sorry, I should have clarified: these were the evil terrorists ..the good terrorists would never use kids like that

 

[hool10]

cowards

 

[repiV]

newsflash: terrorists do horrible things .....cuz they're terrorists


I for one am shocked and horrified




apples and oranges ..had you said "legitimate soldiers killing children" then you might have a point ..however the difference being that the soldiers are supposed to be the good guys ....terrorists however are ...well terrorists

I actually wasn't referring to you Stern...I know you're not that stupid. I expect either total silence or some kind of excuse from certain others though..

 

[Ennui]

like Stern said it's not difficult to see the obvious contextual differences between insurgents killing Iraqi children and American soldiers killing Iraqi children.

It sucks either way, this just doesn't support our agenda so we're not going to make as big a deal out of it in that regard, it's all moral when it comes to this

Children are used as soldiers in Africa every day, there are a lot of things wrong with the world.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Yes..these were the bad terrorists.

We're all very shocked and appalled that a terrorist would do such a thing.

Gasp. Their entire belief structure is screwed up from birth. Their sense of morality is warped.

Americans on the other hand, are more reasonable people. Raised with a sense of moralilty that is slightly more conducive to civilisation and peace (yet ironically they keep invading countries and causing so much death and mayhem).

In conclusion, Americans are terrorists.

 

[Jintor]

:O

My conclusion was that this probably happens all the time.

Depressing.

 

[gick]

The fact that a US general is the one making these claims makes me a little skeptical, but even so, its the kind of thing these bastards would do. I mean, they blow up market places packed with women and children so its not too much of a leap of imagination to think that they'd pull shit like this.

 

[CookieCuttah]

Israelis don't even use them for cover, they just shoot them. Shocked yet? No? Expected.

 

[repiV]

like Stern said it's not difficult to see the obvious contextual differences between insurgents killing Iraqi children and American soldiers killing Iraqi children.

If you listen to Solaris and quite possibly DaMaN, American soldiers are all accessories to genocide because of a few bad eggs and terrorists are noble freedom fighters despite a few bad eggs (and this is without even taking into consideration the fact that there is nothing at all good about terrorists in Iraq).
That's what I'm getting at. Nothing I hate more than hypocritical bullshit.

It sucks either way, this just doesn't support our agenda so we're not going to make as big a deal out of it in that regard, it's all moral when it comes to this

Children are used as soldiers in Africa every day, there are a lot of things wrong with the world.

Well, yes.

Yes..these were the bad terrorists.

We're all very shocked and appalled that a terrorist would do such a thing.

Gasp. Their entire belief structure is screwed up from birth. Their sense of morality is warped.

Americans on the other hand, are more reasonable people. Raised with a sense of moralilty that is slightly more conducive to civilisation and peace (yet ironically they keep invading countries and causing so much death and mayhem).

In conclusion, Americans are terrorists.

Erm...right.

Israelis don't even use them for cover, they just shoot them. Shocked yet? No? Expected.

Shocked? Only by your stupidity.

 

[Walter]

apples and oranges ..had you said "legitimate soldiers killing children" then you might have a point ..however the difference being that the soldiers are supposed to be the good guys ....terrorists however are ...well terrorists

Pity soldiers often turn out to be bad role-players.

 

[repiV]

Depends what side of the fence you're on. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I guess if you blow kids up, you're a very bad man either way.

Freedom fighters generally conduct themselves in a civilised manner, quite unlike the pond life operating in Iraq. The term would also indicate that you would have to be fighting for freedom in order to qualify as a freedom fighter. The Iraqis were given a free run at freedom, and they've ****ed it up by blowing each other to shit.
Those fighting for independence in the American revolution would classify as freedom fighters, but under no circumstance do jihadi scumbags deserve to be dignified with such a term.

 

[Absinthe]

Freedom fighters generally conduct themselves in a civilised manner, quite unlike the pond life operating in Iraq. The term would also indicate that you would have to be fighting for freedom in order to qualify as a freedom fighter. The Iraqis were given a free run at freedom, and they've ****ed it up by blowing each other to shit.
Those fighting for independence in the American revolution would classify as freedom fighters, but under no circumstance do jihadi scumbags deserve to be dignified with such a term.

Gotta agree here.

 

[repiV]

Gotta agree here.

'bout time.

 

[Walter]

Too extremist to be called freedom fighters. But then it's becoming real popular these times to be using terror as a method for gaining independence (northern ireland for example, or Basque).

 

[Absinthe]

'bout time.

As far as I can recall, I've always thought of the insurgents in Iraq as religiously fanatical terrorists, or at least seriously misguided. As idiotic as the US has been, the insurgency itself carries most of the blame for civilian death and reversal of progression post-invasion.

That said, it's rare when somebody can recall the exact moment of change or invention in one's views. So if on the chance there are posts floating around from a year or two ago in which I've made apologies for them, ignore them.

If it were up to me, I'd let the entire Middle East blow itself up. There's no indication that they wish to embrace even the bare minimum of concepts the rest of the civilized world does. The "perfect weapon" hypothetical would probably demonstrate that to anybody.

 

[Qonfused]

I've backed this idea since the start of the war (read: invasion):

Nuke Iraq; use barren wasteland as a trash dump.

 

[repiV]

As far as I can recall, I've always thought of the insurgents in Iraq as religiously fanatical terrorists, or at least seriously misguided. As idiotic as the US has been, the insurgency itself carries most of the blame for civilian death and reversal of progression post-invasion.

Absolutely. I can't understand why people don't acknowledge this obvious fact.

That said, it's rare when somebody can recall the exact moment of change or invention in one's views. So if on the chance there are posts floating around from a year or two ago in which I've made apologies for them, ignore them.

Ahh, no, I was merely making a tongue-in-cheek comment regarding the fact that we hardly ever agree (not on this particular subject, which I don't think we've discussed before).

If it were up to me, I'd let the entire Middle East blow itself up. There's no indication that they wish to embrace even the bare minimum of concepts the rest of the civilized world does. The "perfect weapon" hypothetical would probably demonstrate that to anybody.

I hear ya. Take the resources out of the picture and personally I think we should isolate ourselves from them completely. No communication, no trade, no freedom of movement.
We are paying the price for being tolerant of their culture and ideologies with our freedom, quality of life, security and identity.

Either that, or just use them for the oil without letting the idiots in our midst encourage Islamic cultural movements in the West...

 

[Asknoone]

If you listen to Solaris

Wait wait wait. People listen to Solaris? Since when? What kind of travesty has occurred during my absence from politics.

That said, I wouldn't just let the Middle East blow itself to shit (yes, that includes turning into a big vat of radioactive waste). I just think it's time to take things up a notch. I wouldn't let such a volatile community allow themselves to bomb each other to Kingdom come and turn itself into an a breeding ground that goes unwatched and unchecked. I'm not prepared to see a good portion of the Islamic community who have managed to embrace peaceful measures torn to shreds because we've gone in and waved our guns around (and because we can't control the extremists).

We are paying the price for being tolerant of their culture and ideologies with our freedom, quality of life, security and identity.

Don't go generalizing. And I disagree.

 

[jondy]

ugh.

 

[Absinthe]

The "peaceful portion" of Islam needs to grow a pair and step to the plate, in all honesty. So you don't stone women to death for adultery any more. Bravo. Now start condemning those that do. Try and make a difference.

Sooner or later, the world is going to get fed up with the bullshit of Islam and it's not going to be pretty, and some otherwise upstanding Muslims are going to bite it in the process. That's what happens when you sit on the sidelines and make "Yes they're bad, but" apologies for extremists that make it their purpose in life to kill themselves along with others.

There has been very little outcry from moderate Muslims over the atrocities that take place in the name of Islam on a nearly daily basis. You could argue that it's silence out of fear, but that doesn't account for ones living in Western society. Either they don't care or deep down inside they think that the tide is finally turning for jihad and it's a good thing.

 

[repiV]

Wait wait wait. People listen to Solaris? Since when? What kind of travesty has occurred during my absence from politics.

That said, I wouldn't just let the Middle East blow itself to shit (yes, that includes turning into a big vat of radioactive waste). I just think it's time to take things up a notch. I wouldn't let such a volatile community allow themselves to bomb each other to Kingdom come and turn itself into an a breeding ground that goes unwatched and unchecked. I'm not prepared to see a good portion of the Islamic community who have managed to embrace peaceful measures torn to shreds because we've gone in and waved our guns around (and because we can't control the extremists).

Well, I don't care - and, as Absinthe has so rightly pointed out, I don't give a toss about the silent bystanders either.
Make no mistake, we could control the extremists. We could have utterly destroyed the insurgency in Iraq and had the country under complete control in a matter of weeks or months. The only reason we haven't is because we chose to fight "war-lite".

Don't go generalizing. And I disagree.

How is that a generalisation? It's a fact. We are paying for being tolerant of Islam (and, to a much lesser extent, other foreign cultures which I actually like but that are nonetheless causing segregation at home).

 

[Solaris]

Using children as shields and then killing them is a very disgusting act indeed, the people who did it are scum, I agree completely.

However, most Iraqis do not want us there and see coalition troops as legitimate targets. After the initial bombing raids when we first invaded, Guantanamo bay, the massacre in fallujah and US heavy handed tactics in general, I don't blame them.

The Iraqi government is sectarian, the police rules by sectarian murder's, I've seen interviews with Sunnis who've said things like they tell people they know not under any circumstances to allow the police to take you in, even for questioning because if they do they'll just torture you to death and dump your body all for just having a Sunni sounding name.

 

[15357]

Lets use terrorists as cover and then kill them.


Wait....

 

[CookieCuttah]

Shocked? Only by your stupidity.

Where's your disproof of what I said, where is your argument? Is that it? And you have the mendacity to call me stupid? lol

 

[Beerdude26]

There has been very little outcry from moderate Muslims over the atrocities that take place in the name of Islam on a nearly daily basis. You could argue that it's silence out of fear, but that doesn't account for ones living in Western society. Either they don't care or deep down inside they think that the tide is finally turning for jihad and it's a good thing.

This would be one of the major problems there. In Europe and America, people paid with their lives for speaking up, but they got their rights in the end. To me, it seems these people think that things will start to get better, just like that.

 

[spookymooky]

cowards

Cute. You're calling someone who's doing something with nearly a 100% chance of dying for his beliefs a coward from your computer.

 

[15357]

mother****ing son of a b*tch bastards would be a more approperiate term, then?

 

[Absinthe]

Cute. You're calling someone who's doing something with nearly a 100% chance of dying for his beliefs a coward from your computer.

It is indeed cowardly to target children. It shows you're desperate, pathetic, and unwilling to take on people on more equal footing. You stoop low because it's easy.
Courage requires you to face fear and, despite the odds, persevere through. There is little indication of fear here with these suicide bombers. They have been indoctrinated from the bottom up to believe that death (especially involving others) is one of the most glorious and wonderful things that could ever happen. So you blow yourself to bits without having to deal with the aftermath. How ****ing brave.

Even if it wasn't cowardly, you're only making a trivial objection.

 

[spookymooky]

I suppose. I just dislike seeing that word used as it often is. I disagree with the implications. It seems very one dimensional to me.

Brave, noble, intelligent, beautiful good guys vs. Cowardly, ignoble, stupid, evil bad guys.

That's not reality.

 

[repiV]

Where's your disproof of what I said, where is your argument? Is that it? And you have the mendacity to call me stupid? lol

Why do I need to disprove your inane, moronic, utterly baseless statements?

I don't have time for brainless idiots.

 

[repiV]

Using children as shields and then killing them is a very disgusting act indeed, the people who did it are scum, I agree completely.

However, most Iraqis do not want us there and see coalition troops as legitimate targets. After the initial bombing raids when we first invaded, Guantanamo bay, the massacre in fallujah and US heavy handed tactics in general, I don't blame them.

The Iraqi government is sectarian, the police rules by sectarian murder's, I've seen interviews with Sunnis who've said things like they tell people they know not under any circumstances to allow the police to take you in, even for questioning because if they do they'll just torture you to death and dump your body all for just having a Sunni sounding name.

While I'm not disagreeing that Iraq is a train wreck, how exactly does a battle become a massacre?

 

[Absinthe]

I suppose. I just dislike seeing that word used as it often is. I disagree with the implications. It seems very one dimensional to me.

Brave, noble, intelligent, beautiful good guys vs. Cowardly, ignoble, stupid, evil bad guys.

That's not reality.

Well, obviously. There's no question that many of the leadership elements in such terrorist organizations are very well-educated and intelligent. You could also describe them as loyal and devoted. Vice versa, some of the most well-intentioned supporters of the Coalition-backed occupation are utterly clueless and - pardoning the lack of euphemisms - stupid.

 

[Ytse Jam]

I suppose. I just dislike seeing that word used as it often is. I disagree with the implications. It seems very one dimensional to me.

Brave, noble, intelligent, beautiful good guys vs. Cowardly, ignoble, stupid, evil bad guys.

That's not reality.

Simply put, there's no such thing as good vs. evil, black and white in reality. The only thing there is, is the grey area, and even that has its strange subtleties and subjectivities that make confusing this phenomenon we call 'intelligent' life. All you can do is have faith that people that share your shade of grey are doing the right thing.

 

[CptStern]

I suppose. I just dislike seeing that word used as it often is. I disagree with the implications. It seems very one dimensional to me.

Brave, noble, intelligent, beautiful good guys vs. Cowardly, ignoble, stupid, evil bad guys.

That's not reality.

agreed however the US/coalition has no interest in properly labeling them ..therefore words like insurgent are interchangeable with "terrorist" ..to be flipped whenever the occasion should arise

also every last bit of info coming to western media from the frontlines is approved by the pentagon before hand ..in fact the pentago will even manufacture news and pass it off to the media who stupidly run with it regardless if it's factual or not ..thankfully there's other media to turn to who present a more balanced coverage

 

[kathaksung]

You know that it was not another US and Israeli intelligence operation to provocate the civil war in Iraq. It was not another special operation to vilify Muslims. They would not kill US citizens to justify a war, or those Iraqi children.

God bless the USA! God bless America!

 

[Geogaddi]

Oh my god... Thank you for opening my eyes.

 

[kathaksung]

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner forever shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!