The 2nd Presidential Debate

blahblahblah said:
Do you know anything about the relation of government and economics? Furthermore, do you understand the economic cycles?
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it has to do with animals names right? isnt there like a bear economy or something...ANWAY, its a cycle from economic stability to recession / depression, then restarts :sniper: :afro: :smoking: :dozey: :flame:
 
Vigilante said:
i apologize...it was rude. i just got mad, and didnt think of what i was saying

edit: i also think anyone with an SUV should blow it up.
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oh, I wasnt expecting that, thanks :cheers:
 
the spinning has started hard.. every pundit on the post-debate analysis is calling it for their man, so it's probably a wash in terms of the undecideds.

imo, it's really a sad commentary on the state of thought in this country when simple, unwavering conviction (in the face of reality) is virtuous :(
 
I guess you could say I'm an anti - SUV and pro choice republican.
 
go to channel C-SPAN2, its funny as hell to hear the phone calls from watchers...(dont take offense to this but) all the bush supporters sound like hicks, while the kerry supporters sound atleast somewhat educated.
 
vigilante, is maryland at all in play? i lived in greenbelt for a couple of years, but that was so close to DC, that i didn't ever get a feel for marylands politics..
 
B.Calhoun said:
go to channel C-SPAN2, its funny as hell to hear the phone calls from watchers...(dont take offense to this but) all the bush supporters sound like hicks, while the kerry supporters sound atleast somewhat educated.
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Arghhhhh, it's Tempe, Arizona not Mesa, Arizona!!!
 
Lil' Timmy said:
vigilante, is maryland at all in play? i lived in greenbelt for a couple of years, but that was so close to DC, that i didn't ever get a feel for marylands politics..
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Whadya mean in play?
 
Lil' Timmy said:
is it a "swing state" or is it definitely going one way or the other?
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it's definately a democratic state, i live in the only conservative county in maryland (frederick) . It makes you wonder how our gov. is a republican.

edit: haha, "gov" makes me think of mel brooks in Blazing Saddles..such a great movie
 
Vigilante said:
it's definately a democratic state, i live in the only conservative county in maryland (frederick) . It makes you wonder how our gov. is a republican.

edit: haha, "gov" makes me think of mel brooks in Blazing Saddles..such a great movie
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that's just north of montgomery county right?

yeah, erlich beating townsend was like a huge upset.. wonder how that happened.

edit: blazzing saddles is a classic :cheers: (best mel brooks movie, imo)
 
Lil' Timmy said:
that's just north of montgomery county right?

yeah, erlich beating townsend was like a huge upset.. wonder how that happened.

edit: blazzing saddles is a classic :cheers: (best mel brooks movie, imo)
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north west, MC is about a 20 minute drive from where I am.
 
So what do you guys think?

I'd say it was pretty close. Maybe a very slight edge to Kerry. Nothing enough to change anybodies' opinion.
 
ShadowFox said:
So what do you guys think?

I'd say it was pretty close. Maybe a very slight edge to Kerry. Nothing enough to change anybodies' opinion.
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Most definately bush won!
 
ShadowFox said:
So what do you guys think?

I'd say it was pretty close. Maybe a very slight edge to Kerry. Nothing enough to change anybodies' opinion.
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yeah, as i said before, i feel like kerry won simply because i agree with his policy more. also though, i feel like we saw a thoughtful, stoic man (kerry) facing an overly-agressive simpleton (that'd be bush), based purely on the body language and manner.
 
Edge to Kerry. Bush was practically screaming at the audience at one point, but he calmed down a bit later. This format was supposed to be Bush's strength, but Kerry was the more comfortable of the two with it: he remembered people's names, was more affable, and was pretty solid on the issues. He had only a couple of miscues, and Bush had some just plain bizzare interchanges with people.

Also, I guess Bush doesn't do his own taxes. He DID report 84$ dollars in lumber revenue on his taxes, making him a small business owner by his own crazy definition.
 
hey apos, good to hear your input (good point on the lumber, btw).
 
i see kerry as keeping the momentum here. After the first debate, people were watching for bush to misstep - and he did a couple times. Yelling at the audience and moderator, a couple bad jokes - to mee it seems like kerry kept looking presidential, and bush kept looking flustered and out of his league.

in my opinion:
Bush: 0
Kerry: 2
Edwards: .5
Cheney: .5
 
blahblahblah said:
Do you know anything about the relation of government and economics? Furthermore, do you understand the economic cycles?
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that has nothing to do with my point....you say bush created jobs....i say look at the unemployment rate. Its simple. Stop dodging and read the first link i gave you and go to bls.gov. Its information given out by the government.
 
~_o , IMO, Kerry looked more presidential.
 
guinny said:
that has nothing to do with my point....you say bush created jobs....i say look at the unemployment rate. Its simple. Stop dodging and read the first link i gave you and go to bls.gov. Its information given out by the government.
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Wow.

That is what happens when the country falls in to a recession. Bush has stated that 1.9 million jobs have been created in the last thirteen months. Bush inhereted a country as it was entering a recession. September 11 did not help the economic situation at all.

Currently, the government has a minimal effect on the overall economic condition of the US. Blaming Bush is stupid for the recession. Economic cycles are called cycles for a reason. In fact they can be predicted. For instance, a stock market correction is a indicator of a upcoming recession.

You want a debate, I'll give you a shot. Tell me what fiscal policies the president could have done to fix the current situation we are in.
 
bush (he doesn't deserve a capitol letter, to me, I'm afraid) was much better than last time. It's actually one on the most impressive performances I've seen from him.

Many of the quirky issues that popped up in the last debate weren't really present this time... Smirks, innattention. Didn't stumble over words more than, maybe ten, fifteen times...

Kerry was quite good. Sometimes he failed to really bring the point home as well as I think he could have... But he seemed very in control, and not too stiff and formal. There was one moment, where he finished with "Go figure." I can't remember the contrext, but he seemed quite relaxed and natural.
bush lost it a bit toward the end.

Overall, (not surprisingly), Kerry did a better job. Only marginally.

On the issues, of course, it was fairly decided in my opinion. bush put forth a sack of lies and half-truths. Kerry presented most of his arguments in a way that I wasn't too put off by. Not too many questions dodged (notable exceptions: both on the 'how will you pay for reducing the debts' and bush on 'name three mistakes'... But honestly, I never expected him to touch that. It would take a brave politician to get close enough to that question to hit it with a stick).

Kerry handled the abortion issue quite well. Made a stance known that he considered abortion opposition to be a religeous issue and therefore something not to be illegalized. That suits me and hopefully wont piss off the right or the religeously opposed too much.

I thought he handled the stem cell question with resonable style.

Not a lot of performance difference (from Kerry) on his part from the first [debate]. Both were 'B+' in my eyes. Bush only got a 'C' this time (F of issues of course).

I'm personally hoping for a 'gaff' as my commentator put it, from bush in the third. Here's to hoping...
 
seinfeldrules said:
There have been both jobs lost under Bush, and jobs gained.
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is that like voting for the $87 billion before voting against it? ;)
 
Heres to the debate in my city next week. :cheers: :bonce: :eek:
 
link works for me now, but there's some mandatory software it wants to install..

yeah.. no.
 
Haha, I was watching this before but I thought it was a re-screening of the first debate :x
 
Draw, but i only watched the back half of the debate.
 
Kerry won imo.

I think it is kinda funny how Bush dodged the last question, name three mistakes you made and tell what you did about it to fix them. He then rambled something about him standing behind is choices to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That was not the question dufus. He said that he made mistakes, small ones, and then went on about Iraq. Way to go.
 
seinfeldrules said:
There have been both jobs lost under Bush, and jobs gained.
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Which is true for any president...... I think politicians take far to much credit for changes in employment.
 
Just watched the debate.

How can you guys say Kerry won?

Kerry looked like a GOON on stage because bush finaly got assertive and took down his opponent using tactics kerry used against bush (blaming and acusing).

Kerry has "plans". well plans look good on paper but you know what? news flash: Plans CHANGE!

and what good is his plan if we dont even know wtf the plan is?

You guys watch cnn, msnbc, or fox news?

well even those news stations are critiquing the debate and pulling out the pros and cons of each canidate, but so far all those stations have been saying bush was the stronger debater in this debate.

Kerry has that satanic grin on his face all the time, kinda makes me puke a little in my mouth.
 
Lil' Timmy said:
is that like voting for the $87 billion before voting against it? ;)
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hahaha no man didnt mean it like that. I just meant he started off by losing jobs and has a strong recovery with them this year.

Which is true for any president...... I think politicians take far to much credit for changes in employment.
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Agreed.
 
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