The beauty of Catholic teachings

MiccyNarc said:
This website is full of garbage, quite frankly.
Neva's situation:
Let's see, she can live on earth for a few more years and die some painful death, or she can die quickly, albeit violently, and be taken to heaven early. Which do you choose?
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How much, exactly, did you read? It must not be a lot because he repeatedly deals with your point many times. You're playing the "it's God's plan" card. His response to that is that not answering your prayers breaks a promise he made to the faithful in the Bible. It is not ambiguous. If you ask, you receive. How much more simple can it get? Also, with regard to having a painful death later on... she could just pray to go quietly in her sleep from old age... right? What would you say if that was what she prayed for? Probably "God works in mysterious ways" or "it's part of God's plan" again. Conveniently, the successfulness of prayer compared to God being forced to carry out this plan of his happens to return the same odds as non-religious people get. So, what's the point?
 
13 Then the LORD said to Moses: 14 "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. 15 Say to the Israelites: 'If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
23 Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the LORD commanded Moses.

32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.

20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Really ****ing beautiful.
Oh yeah and watch this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452
 
What does ancient Jewish law have to do with Christianity? Oh yeah, backstory. I doubt any followers of Christ who follow him out of faith believe that they or anyone else is accountable to old Jewish laws. I'm not a Jew... I see myself (even though I was raised in a Christian home) as more like the barbarians and whatnot who were converted to Christianity, even though they had never heard of Jewish teachings and prophecy. Just someone who decided to follow Jesus for his own sake. (And I eagerly await any comments that take a random hypothetical example of barbarians converting to Christianity that I used loosely and try to undermine what little point I was trying to make by saying that they were threatened with death if they didn't convert... I'm not threatening anyone with death, nor was I threatened with death, it was just an example of the mindset in which I view my own belief.)

I find it rather ridiculous that people would go to such lengths to debase someone's beliefs. I don't care if you think the world just popped into existance one day, or if you think humans are the best thing in the universe, or if you like to lie with mankind, as you lieth with a woman. Have some more faith in your own beliefs, and maybe you won't feel the need to mock or belittle others'. Or maybe, just maybe, you can open your mind and try to glean the purpose of the original post, which was to show the tennants of Catholicism (and Christianity) and perhaps in so doing expand your view on the world. I certainly try to expand my view even if I don't hold with other people's beliefs, but that's hard to do when they do nothing but quote the Torah...
 
Reaktor4 said:
13 Then the LORD said to Moses: 14 "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. 15 Say to the Israelites: 'If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
23 Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the LORD commanded Moses.

32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.

20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Really ****ing beautiful.
Oh yeah and watch this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452
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Go read some of the new testament and you'll see that the teachings of CHRISTianity are based off CHRIST, not jewish law.
 
Last One In said:
Go read some of the new testament and you'll see that the teachings of CHRISTianity are based off CHRIST, not jewish law.
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Why do they read from the old testament at my local church :/
 
Last One In said:
Go read some of the new testament and you'll see that the teachings of CHRISTianity are based off CHRIST, not jewish law.
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What about the 10 commandments?
 
Oh I forgot, Christianitys that religion with that book that you get to pick things out of that you like, and screw the rest.

The ten commandments are there to ofer choice, actually you only need to pick 3 of them that suit you, so guys, get adultering, just don't break the 3 you choose to live by.
 
Jesus laws were a fulfillment of the old law. Love the lord your god, and your neighbor as yourself pretty much sums up what the 10 commandments were saying.
 
How much, exactly, did you read? It must not be a lot because he repeatedly deals with your point many times. You're playing the "it's God's plan" card. His response to that is that not answering your prayers breaks a promise he made to the faithful in the Bible. It is not ambiguous. If you ask, you receive. How much more simple can it get? Also, with regard to having a painful death later on... she could just pray to go quietly in her sleep from old age... right?
What would you say if that was what she prayed for?
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9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.
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Most important part in bold.
Oh I forgot, Christianitys that religion with that book that you get to pick things out of that you like, and screw the rest.
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We don't follow the Old Testament with its rules and regulations, as instructed in the New Testament. We are to follow the New Testament.

Hardly "pick what we like and screw the rest", though alot of Christians do that, hence the hypocrisy charge.
 
Ew, I don't like the modernized version. I like the one from the Book of Common Prayers, my Church uses that.

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. Amen.

Sometimes before the Amen this is added(at least in my congregation)- For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

But that's generally when singing it.
 
The following is a real conversation about Catholicism that occurred between 1619 and 1622 today:
He: ****... 3 and a half hours I have to sit doing shit tommorow
He: I'm going to end up pissing someone off
I: Eh?
He: Confirmation shit
He: 8:30-2:00
He: Wait...
I: That's five and a half
He: 5?
He: Oh shit...
He: OH shit oh shit...
He: I'm gonna kick some catholic shits ass tommorow
I: What on Earth do they need five and a half hours for
He: I DON'T KNOW
He: I'm gonna get in a fight to leave early
He: What the hell are they going to do about it?
He: Slap my hand and call my dad?
I: Refuse to make you an official Catholic. Terrible!
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Catholics are krazee, I swear ;)
 
Last One In said:
I'm here to present to you a few things that make Catholcism a good religion:
1. You can't judge your neighbor. Although he may sin, most of your sins are just as severe. No matter what the mortal sin, they will lead you to the same place. "Judge not and you will not be judged." "The measure with which you measure will in turn be measured out to you."
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Not unless you're Ned Flanders! Then again he's Christian.
 
DeusExMachinia said:
Most of the Christians I've talked to think lowly of Catholics.
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That traces back to the extremely legalistic Catholicism 20 years ago. It used to be (or so I've been told), that if you didn't tithe, attend mass regularly, etc, you're bound for hell.
 
MiccyNarc said:
That traces back to the extremely legalistic Catholicism 20 years ago. It used to be (or so I've been told), that if you didn't tithe, attend mass regularly, etc, you're bound for hell.
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Isn't that the case with all of Christianity, Judaism and Islam?
 
Last One In said:
Go read some of the new testament and you'll see that the teachings of CHRISTianity are based off CHRIST, not jewish law.
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The old testament records the acts of God...
And since God = Jesus.. the old testament IS about the teachings of christ

The new testament never says it negates the old testament and christians are still subject to all of it's laws, and breaking any one of those laws is equivelant to breaking any/all new testament laws.
 
Ikerous said:
The new testament never says it negates the old testament
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You must not have read the New Testament. At all. Because it says just that, several times, several different ways.
 
MiccyNarc said:
Most important part in bold.

We don't follow the Old Testament with its rules and regulations, as instructed in the New Testament. We are to follow the New Testament.
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Do you completely disregard the 10 Commandments? Because otherwise your statement is a lie.
 
I find religion is something for weak people.

When you no longer can trust yourself or belive in yourself or tackle problems yourself, you put the "burden" on a higher power.
 
DeusExMachinia said:
Most of the Christians I've talked to think lowly of Catholics.
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Those are called protestants...

And the whole case in any form of Christianity, being Protestant or Catholic is not taking everything litterally, and just learn the moral values that are taught....

Funny how most of the christians in the world are able to do that, live in peace and do no harm-> while "Certain people" point at the groups of fundementalists to generalise all christians around the world to be "living by the word and oppressing others"...

For most Christians around the world their religion is a morale support and base nothing more.
If you dont need that in your life? fine, but dont take a minority and judge the majority based on the minority's actions/opinions, for then your thinking the exact same way a fundementalist religious person would think...
 
MaxiKana said:
I find religion is something for weak people.

When you no longer can trust yourself or belive in yourself or tackle problems yourself, you put the "burden" on a higher power.
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Yeah I'm with him on this

(YES... I realise the irony that I'm simply quoting rather then making a new post is very similar to the situation. But I'm lazy and I think it'll save time for everyone)
 
MaxiKana said:
I find religion is something for weak people.

When you no longer can trust yourself or belive in yourself or tackle problems yourself, you put the "burden" on a higher power.
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I totally agree also, and also excuse the Irony.
 
well, i dont agree with religion being something for weak people.
In some cases, sure, that might be true, but in other cases its not.
What you're missing is religion plays a different role per person.
These roles differ from extremist ---- > partly-religious.
Some people do it to have a morale base to "fall back on" some because they feel its part of their culture etc, and some people see religion as their fulltime commitment.
Some people indeed become religious after they've lost a loved one, but not all.
In that case the religion serves as a "hospital" for the mind. While most people never "need" it, its good that its there for the ones that do... Would you also be so bold as to say people that have to go to the hospital are "weak people"??

For me its the culture, tradition and morale base that i enjoy, which is the standard role it plays for most people. If that makes us "weak" people, than so be it, keep thinking that way...
 
DeusExMachinia said:
No, they clearly said they were Christian.
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You aren't serious are you?
Christianity is divided into 2 main groups, Catholics and Protestants. There are 2 types of Catholisism, Roman Catholisism and Eastern Orthadox. There are hundreds of Protestant churches including Prespeterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans etc.
Just as Islam is divided between, Sunni, Shihad and other groups.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Ew, I don't like the modernized version. I like the one from the Book of Common Prayers, my Church uses that.

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. Amen.

Sometimes before the Amen this is added(at least in my congregation)- For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

But that's generally when singing it.
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Heh, I was wondering what that thing about debts was, I always rememeber it being trespasses. The Church of the Bank of America's version?

lol @ "they weren't protestants, they were christians"
 
Religion is for religious people.

Can you guys agree on that? :p
 
Isn't that the case with all of Christianity, Judaism and Islam?
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I don't know who told you that you would go to hell if you didn't tithe.

There is one requirement, and that is to believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins and was raised from the dead. Everything else comes with living a holy life. If you screw up, ask for forgiveness, try not to do it again.
Do you completely disregard the 10 Commandments? Because otherwise your statement is a lie.
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Jesus said:
The greatest commandment is this: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself
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Sums up (most of) the Ten Commandments nicely. There are some that I don't follow, for example: Honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
Some Christians will tell you that you have to, but you'll find absolutely nothing about it in the NT.
Not only that but they honor the wrong sabbath (Saturday instead of Sunday).
These people also eat pork. And cut all their hair, not just certain parts of it.
People like that piss me off.
 
Im a modded Catholic. So I dont place my burdens on God. I take them up myself as were supposed to. Non-religious people just want to be able to do whatever they want. I.e. lots of sex.
 
Something funny about mass that I noticed.

If I go to Spanish mass it ends in about 50 minutes. Talking hella fast.

English mass in about an hour and ten minutes.

If I go to Latin mass, usually sung too, it takes up to an hour and a half to two hours.

Language time difference are funny. :p
 
I've always found that God isn't about going to church, reading a bible, or praying, but about finding your own peace with it. You're not going to Hell for not believing, or for not being baptised. It's more like a Karma thing.

And Solaris, you're a knobhead and everyone hates you, so don't start judging people who choose to be religious. Maxi's exempt from my hate, though, because...ASK HER OUT DAMNIT!

-Angry Lawyer
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Something funny about mass that I noticed.

If I go to Spanish mass it ends in about 50 minutes. Talking hella fast.

English mass in about an hour and ten minutes.

If I go to Latin mass, usually sung too, it takes up to an hour and a half to two hours.

Language time difference are funny. :p
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Irish lasts about 30-45 minutes depending on the priest.
 
Why should the greatest thing be believing in God? Why should that matter above all?

Isn't it better to be a good person and love others as you love yourself, even if you don't believe in God?

Surely the latter should be more important than the former.
 
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