The beauty of Catholic teachings

[Angry Lawyer]

Bingo. Which is why religion should be a personal thing, rather than an organised one. Make your own mind up, don't have it forced on you.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Solaris]

I've always found that God isn't about going to church, reading a bible, or praying, but about finding your own peace with it. You're not going to Hell for not believing, or for not being baptised. It's more like a Karma thing.

And Solaris, you're a knobhead and everyone hates you, so don't start judging people who choose to be religious. Maxi's exempt from my hate, though, because...ASK HER OUT DAMNIT!

-Angry Lawyer

Your refering to my remarks about the cathlic church?

Thoose guys have so much power over people. And what do they do with it? Evilnous.

My first Hate: How the f**k did a school get statefunding, if it prioritises Catholics? Becuase I'm not from a cathlic familly(well actually I am, but I myself am not cathlic nethier my parents) I have to go to a crap school.
IMO thats racist, and should be abolished.

But atm these schools don't teach kids about AIDs, or STI's some touch on it, and if they do they don't talk abour prevention. They don't teach people about contraception becuase there too selfish and would rather scare kids sh*tless with videos of abortions, and tell them how evil they are, instead of informing them about safe sex, stopping abortions being nessacary in the first place.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Yes, we should be window shopping for faith because some have cool rules.

 

[MiccyNarc]

Why should the greatest thing be believing in God? Why should that matter above all?

Isn't it better to be a good person and love others as you love yourself, even if you don't believe in God?

Surely the latter should be more important than the former.

It's not believing in God that matters ("Even the demons believe, and shudder"), but loving Him, and your neighbor.

 

[ríomhaire]

Your refering to my remarks about the cathlic church?

Thoose guys have so much power over people. And what do they do with it? Evilnous.

My first Hate: How the f**k did a school get statefunding, if it prioritises Catholics? Becuase I'm not from a cathlic familly(well actually I am, but I myself am not cathlic nethier my parents) I have to go to a crap school.
IMO thats racist, and should be abolished.

But atm these schools don't teach kids about AIDs, or STI's some touch on it, and if they do they don't talk abour prevention. They don't teach people about contraception becuase there too selfish and would rather scare kids sh*tless with videos of abortions, and tell them how evil they are, instead of informing them about safe sex, stopping abortions being nessacary in the first place.

Religion isn't a race. The word IIRC is secretarian.

 

[MiccyNarc]

But atm these schools don't teach kids about AIDs, or STI's some touch on it, and if they do they don't talk abour prevention. They don't teach people about contraception becuase there too selfish and would rather scare kids sh*tless with videos of abortions, and tell them how evil they are, instead of informing them about safe sex, stopping abortions being nessacary in the first place.

And saving sex for marriage makes condoms, birth control pills, and abortion completely unnecessary anyhow.

But no, free sex for all!

 

[Solaris]

And saving sex for marriage makes condoms, birth control pills, and abortion completely unnecessary anyhow.

But no, free sex for all!

If you think young people are gonna save sex till marriage, you fail at being in charge of sex ed lessons/life

 

[Raeven0]

Mandatory castration of all eleven-year-olds males.

 

[kirovman]

That'd learn 'em good. Hur-hur-hur.

 

[MiccyNarc]

If you think young people are gonna save sex till marriage, you fail at being in charge of sex ed lessons/life

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

 

[Solaris]

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

Or maybe we can use technology to have fun, with no/little consequences if used in educated hands.

 

[kirovman]

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

I don't think that was the case at all, it's just not a taboo to talk about it or be open about it now.

There always was and always will be extra-marital affairs.

 

[MiccyNarc]

Or maybe we can use technology to have fun, with no/little consequences if used in educated hands.

And when the method of birth control fails? Then what?

I don't think that was the case at all, it's just not a taboo to talk about it or be open about it now.

There always was and always will be extra-marital affairs.

Yes, always have, always will, but it wasn't commonplace as it is today.
To give you an idea, my school district has had to install video cameras in busses to prevent sexual acts between students on the bus.
Don't tell me that happened before the sixties. And so much for sex ed :-\

 

[Solaris]

- And when the method of birth control fails? Then what?
thus why it is important for school to teach people on how to prevent that happening.

 

[ríomhaire]

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

Hehe, not everywhere my friend :smoking:

Edit:
Samon, you're talking shit. I go to a Christian school and the sex ed teacher (also a religion teacher BTW) teaches all that stuff.

 

[MiccyNarc]

thus why it is important for school to teach people on how to prevent that happening.

No method of birth control has proved effective 100% of the time, or close to that.
There is no perfect solution.

 

[DeusExMachina]

lol@ignorance

Hey, these people said they were CHRISTIAN. Not METHODIST not CATHOLICS not PROTESTANTS not ****ing BAPTISTS. Yes, I'm quite aware of the feelings between Protestants and Catholics. But, A LOT of the people I was talking to who CLAIMED to be plain old CHRISTIAN were stating it. I was a Christian for most of my life and I never claimed to be anything but Christian. Goddammit :|.

 

[OCybrManO]

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

Do you also believe that all married couples sleep in two different beds? It just wasn't socially acceptable to talk about sex because they thought there was something dirty about it. That's why it seems like no one was doing it... despite the number of children being born.

 

[MiccyNarc]

Do you also believe that all married couples sleep in two different beds?

Why on earth would I believe that?

That's why it seems like no one was doing it... despite the number of children being born.

That's silly. What does the number of children being born have to do with the marital status of the partners?
Last I checked, married couples have kids too.

 

[OCybrManO]

What on Earth are you talking about?

 

[MiccyNarc]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Re-read your post, then re-read mine.

 

[OCybrManO]

Re-read your post, then re-read mine.
My statement is quite plain.

Re-read Solaris's post, then re-read your response...

If you think young people are gonna save sex till marriage, you fail at being in charge of sex ed lessons/life

Considering that was standard practice up until the sexual revolution, I'd say that modern youth fails at self control.

... then re-read my response... and, finally, your response that totally missed the point.

You said that in the 50s young people didn't have sex outside of marriage. Believing that young people in the 50s didn't have sex is akin to believing everything else you see in the movies from that period... including married adults sleeping in different beds. The only reason you didn't hear about either of them (married or unmarried) having sex is because it wasn't acceptable to talk about it. There were either a lot of people not talking about it... or there were a lot of virgin births. The teenage pregnancy rate has actually fallen since the 50s... to about half of what it used to be. The overall birth rate is lower than it was at any point in the 20th century. I'm sure condoms play a role in the statistics... but, even then, that still leaves a lot of young people having sex before the so-called "sexual revolution."

 

[MiccyNarc]

Believing that young people in the 50s didn't have sex

Now quote me where I said that.

else you see in the movies from that period... including married adults sleeping in different beds

Ah, there's my problem. You see, I wasn't basing my information off of movies.

The teenage pregnancy rate has actually fallen since the 50s...

Percentages? Or numbers?

The overall birth rate is lower than it was at any point in the 20th century. I'm sure condoms play a role in the statistics... but, even then, that still leaves a lot of young people having sex before the so-called "sexual revolution."

Condoms, abortions, pills, etc. etc. etc.

There are alot of factors that cut down on the amount of births, but just go back to my local school district example and know that sexual activity HAS increased. That is undeniable.

 

[OCybrManO]

According to Wikipedia:

Some historians argue that sexual revolution was not a complete break from earlier Western sexual attitudes but rather a liberalization after a conservative period that only existed between the 1930s and 1950s. They note that the Cold War sparked a socially conformist identity which tended to be self-conscious of its appearance to the outside world. Within the United States, this conformism took on puritanical overtones which contradicted natural or even, ironically, culturally-established human sexual behaviors. It was this period of Cold War puritanism some say, which logically led to a cultural rebellion in the form of the "sexual revolution."

The extent to which the sexual revolution involved major changes in sexual behavior, however, is questionable. Many observers have suggested that the main change was not that people had more sex or different types of sex, it was simply that they talked about it more openly than previous generations had done. Historian David Allyn argues it was a time of coming-out: about premarital sex, masturbation, erotic fantasies, pornography use, and homosexuality.

Also, if you look back to Greece, Etruria, Rome, Mesopotamia, China, India, Japan and most other cultures... sex was usually quite a bit less socially restricted than it is today. The highly conservative sexual puritanism was an arbitrary social (more appropriately, religious) construct that didn't match the activity that was going on behind the scenes. Obviously, it's going to look like there are a lot more sexually active people if they are more socially acceptable... just like how you'll notice more gay people if you don't persecute them. There really isn't a good way to measure things people don't talk about. Claiming that it is undeniable doesn't make it any more true. There might have been a significant change... but it would be impossible to come to a solid conclusion on either side.

As for your supposed "proof" of an increase:

To give you an idea, my school district has had to install video cameras in busses to prevent sexual acts between students on the bus.

My bet: they didn't have to. Like so many other things they do, it's a safe political move to make people think they're really trying to do something about it without getting to the root of the problem, if one exists. Often, like with the "rise" (in reality, a significant decrease) in violence of the gaming generation, the threat itself is manufactured. Why? When you show people that the threat no longer exists (even though it really didn't from the beginning) the results are attributed to their actions; everyone is happy; people get re-elected. They do bullshit like that all the time. My old high school got some money for renovations and, rather than actually fixing things that would benefit the students, they cleaned up the façade and painted only what visitors would see. Those standardized tests that are supposed to measure how well the curriculum works? They don't do shit... because the curriculum is altered to teach the students how to pass that specific test. Only appearances matter.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Hey, these people said they were CHRISTIAN. Not METHODIST not CATHOLICS not PROTESTANTS not ****ing BAPTISTS. Yes, I'm quite aware of the feelings between Protestants and Catholics. But, A LOT of the people I was talking to who CLAIMED to be plain old CHRISTIAN were stating it. I was a Christian for most of my life and I never claimed to be anything but Christian. Goddammit :|.

Considering they split/weren't part of the Catholic church they're Protestant. It doesn't matter if they're any of the sects you listed (listing Protestant seperate from baptist/Lutheran/etc doesn't make sense because those are all within protestant teaching.)

Even if they consider themselves 'non-denominational' they still reject Papal Rule, which by definition is what makes them a Protestant.

 

[madog]

Catholics rule! We have good morals and good logical solutions to everything!

 

[Sulkdodds]

It's not believing in God that matters ("Even the demons believe, and shudder"), but loving Him, and your neighbor.

In which case I both believe in God and love him - though not in the sense I assume you think.

And when the method of birth control fails? Then what?

Use all of them.

 

[gick]

Catholics rule! We have good morals and good logical solutions to everything!

I hope you were being ironic...

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Deists rule! We take the best of both worlds!

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Athiests rule since we have the best of the real world.

Problems with catholicism:

1 - People like Pat Robertson and the Pope do extremely stupid shit and no other catholics do anything about it.

Subcategories:

-Anti-choice
-Anti-gay
-Anti-secularism in politics
-Anti-contraception
-Anti-evolution
-Anti-etc.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Think how badly you're a secret deist and you're denying it

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Sulkdodds]

Athiests rule since we have the best of the real world.

You're not thinking outside the box!

 

[DeusExMachina]

Deism ftw.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

You're not thinking outside the box!

Thinking outside the box requires knowledge of what is outside the box - which is something no-one can legitimately claim to have.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

God or not, I <3 Mecha.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mechagodzilla]

<3 Lawyer.

Deism is okay in my books, since it's really just atheism with god somewhere in the universe taking an invisble nap for the rest of eternity.

 

[DeusExMachina]

<3 Lawyer.

Deism is okay in my books, since it's really just atheism with god somewhere in the universe taking an invisble nap for the rest of eternity.

You're not one of those people who see all manners of freethought as Atheism with a different name are you? I get enough atheists telling me I'm just a weak atheist instead of an agnostic and it annoys me to no end :|.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

<3 Lawyer.

Deism is okay in my books, since it's really just atheism with god somewhere in the universe taking an invisble nap for the rest of eternity.

Exactly. It's more of a "God has no influence on our existance until we die. Probably. But if I'm wrong, it's not like I'll notice."

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Well it's true, really.
Agnosticism is essentially the same as atheism because either way you're not believing in a specific god or following religious laws.

I'm "agnostic" in the sense that if god(s) actually ever flew down from space and gave real solid evidence of his/her/their existence, I would believe in him/her/them.
Until that time though, all evidence points to god(s) not existing.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Meh. I see a difference .