The PETA (Yes, it's time to talk about them)

[Solaris]

The fabulous thing about my posting habits is that I never explicitly target only the person I'm quoting. My words where intended more or less towards everyone that's had a go at me. Like I said I call it unethical treatment. Companies listen to you more when your are not calling them evil torturers. It's one thing to demand better standards of animal care, it's another to then call the industry torturers, it may very well be true but again it's not how you try to get your view across. Which again reminds me of the Greenies freeing animals and getting them killed anyway.



This thread is basically: Loud people + People who actually care V Kyorisu who cares but tries to make people understand why certain (not all) cruel things will never be stopped. No matter I've had my fun and I'm still on your side. I feel I've tried to get my point across one too many times and I just give up. Lord forbid someone actually tries to argue the industries side of things. Hey doing so only allows me to see their view of you guys in another light. That light being somewhat similar to the one I saw when a bunch of guys decided it would be fun to slash my tires and write some rather rude words on the doors of my car.

You can argue what you what, but we need reasoning.

It has been demonstrated here that animals are forced to live in brutal conditions which can only be described as torture. You need to tell us why that is necessary or acceptable.

 

[Jintor]

Because humans like to eat meat.

I mean yes we can survive on another meatless diet but it's much much harder and less convenient for humanity.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

We should go back to hunting! *stupid tarzan noise*

 

[Solaris]

Because humans like to eat meat.

I mean yes we can survive on another meatless diet but it's much much harder and less convenient for humanity.

We can eat meat and not torture animals.

 

[Llama]

For ever animal Gray Fox doesn't eat, I'm going to eat three.

I'll enjoy every second of it.

 

[No Limit]

For ever animal Gray Fox doesn't eat, I'm going to eat three.

I'll enjoy every second of it.

Wow, I guess being an asshole makes you the cool kid around these parts. Congratulations. :upstare:

 

[Llama]

Hey, if you can volunteer a good reason as to why I shouldn't eat meat to spite someone, go ahead.

Do you really expect me to have to validate myself to you, when you're supporting someone that would physically harm me because of my diet?

Don't be a tool.

 

[Solaris]

Hey, if you can volunteer a good reason as to why I shouldn't eat meat to spite someone, go ahead.

Do you really expect me to have to validate myself to you, when you're supporting someone that would physically harm me because of my diet?

Don't be a tool.

It's not actually that absurd a reason to harm someone for.

If you were eating dead jews from concentration camps, of course we would be justified in attacking you.

Unethicaly produced meat is nowhere near as evil however, but it's still perhaps grounds for physical assualt. But then, we'd all be legitimate targets for vegans wouldn't we becuase of those occasional unethical hamburgers and what not.

We need legislation, not vigilantism.

 

[Gray Fox]

I would harm you because you support the torture of animals just for your pleasure. You'r no better then a psychopath that tortures and kills his dog for pleasure.
Not only that you believe it's morally right to do that because we are omnivores. That is no different then believing we should be allowed to rape, because we have dicks. Or kill people because we have arms. In both cases you rely on natural selection as your moral arbiter. That makes you a clear and present danger to me, my family, and my friends.

You also chose not to behave any better then sub human animals, in fact you chose to behave far worse and destruct full, you fail to display the very characteristics that humans use to justify their dominance, including reading comprehension.

But hey man I'm so ****ing horrible for expecting a minimum amount of decency to be shown to animals we live with, so lets just gang up on me, ignore any arguments, laugh at me, call me a man hater, and masturbate to episodes of South Park, or whatever you meat eater like to do.

We should also not forget to mention that we care about animals, it's just that it's not worth paying twice as much for meat or milk, in fact though we all care for animals if paying 10 cents less for a chickenwings meant the animals would endure even more pain we would be happy to let that happen, but hey man it's ok because we all care for animals. We do not want them to be tortured, it's just that it's cheaper, so it's ok.

But most importantly, and this deserves to be mentioned in every political thread, lets laugh at Solaris for supporting Chavez, because despite our differences we should never forget that Solaris supports Chavez, and we should not let petty differences divide us over that issue.

 

[Solaris]

Gray fox you are ****ing brilliant.

 

[No Limit]

we should be allowed to rape, because we have dicks.

I loled.

Gray Fox, many people share what you believe in regards to how animals should be treated. But I will repeat what I said earlier. When you try to say we shouldn't eat any meat and if we do we should be harmed for it people stop listening to you. You are not doing yourself or the animal rights movement by making these obsurd claims. I eat meat for many reasons including my health, that doesn't mean I don't think about how that food got to my plate. We need change in our laws to stop this torture, until people like you stop making that movement look so radical to the average american idiot it will never happen.

 

[Llama]

Posting flamebait makes things so much easier

I would harm you because you support the torture of animals just for your pleasure.

You poor, ignorant little man. Have I ever expressed the desire to have animals tortured for my pleasure? No? Oh, you can shut the **** up then.
Yeah, I want to eat meat. Does that mean I condone torture? No, of course not. I just want a steak. Plus, torture makes meat tough, so i'd prefer it torture-free. Obviously, a man is inherently stupid as you would fail to make that connection.

You'r no better then a psychopath that tortures and kills his dog for pleasure.

Nice appeal to emotion there. It's a shame it's not based on anything real. What makes you say that? (This coming from a perfectly sane man, obviously, because all he wants to do is hurt people that eat meat)

Not only that you believe it's morally right to do that because we are omnivores. That is no different then believing we should be allowed to rape, because we have dicks. Or kill people because we have arms. In both cases you rely on natural selection as your moral arbiter. That makes you a clear and present danger to me, my family, and my friends.

Are you joking? It's very funny, at any rate. Still, you can't actually back anything up. Nice, comparing eating the meat of a lesser creature to raping someone. That's a perfect comparison that isn't at all flawed :dozey:

You also chose not to behave any better then sub human animals, in fact you chose to behave far worse and destruct full, you fail to display the very characteristics that humans use to justify their dominance, including reading comprehension.

Thus, Gray Fox was struck down by the god of common sense, for his absurd and baseless accusations. i choose to be 'destruct full'? First of all, what the **** does that mean?
Secondly, I'd like you to show me how I fail to display reading comprehension, since I'm replying to you.

But hey man I'm so ****ing horrible for expecting a minimum amount of decency to be shown to animals we live with, so lets just gang up on me, ignore any arguments, laugh at me, call me a man hater, and masturbate to episodes of South Park, or whatever you meat eater like to do.

Nice!
Let's deal with this simply.
First of all, I have never shown a desire to be cruel or indecent towards these animals. So, that part of your argument goes out of the window. I'm not so happy about the part you put these animals above other humans. You have no arguments, at least none that are apparent. The bullshit and hypersensitive insults get in the way. Also, I like the idea that I masturbate to South Park simply because I'm evil. Are you suggesting that I wank off because I'm evil? If so, the whole of humanity is going to hell :dozey:

We should also not forget to mention that we care about animals, it's just that it's not worth paying twice as much for meat or milk, in fact though we all care for animals if paying 10 cents less for a chickenwings meant the animals would endure even more pain we would be happy to let that happen, but hey man it's ok because we all care for animals. We do not want them to be tortured, it's just that it's cheaper, so it's ok.

I have no idea how my meat gets to me. If for some reason, the animal has to suffer to get to my plate, I don't know about it. Do you really think I have a choice between buying happily slaughtered meat and tortured meat? Are you that stupid?

But most importantly, and this deserves to be mentioned in every political thread, lets laugh at Solaris for supporting Chavez, because despite our differences we should never forget that Solaris supports Chavez, and we should not let petty differences divide us over that issue.

Way to go off conversation. Fail.

Basically, you are a tool. You seem to lack any understanding in the difference between a farm animal and a human.

(I would have posted sooner, but I was eating dinner. Chicken and porn at the same time! I'm going to hell tonight.)

 

[Nemesis6]

Gray Fox, eating animals doesn't make me a bad person and not eating animals doesn't make you one either. It's that simple.

By the way, someone voted no in my poll!

 

[Gray Fox]

I don't know weather you're just that stupid or willfully malicious lama, but trying to argue with you any further would be as fruitful as trying to explain the difference between a theory and a law to a creationist.

 

[Llama]

In other words, you're at a loss on how to respond, so you won't bother?

You could have been a man and admitted you've been trounced, but if you want that way out, fair enough.

Ahh well, starting from 10pm GMT, i'll be away for the next 16 or 17 days, so i'll miss any replies. That's life I suppose.

 

[mastag]

He hurts things, that is wrong. LETS ****ING BOMB HIS HOUSE.

Thats not helping the cause folks. Peaceful resistance.

 

[CptStern]

I have no idea how my meat gets to me. If for some reason, the animal has to suffer to get to my plate, I don't know about it. Do you really think I have a choice between buying happily slaughtered meat and tortured meat? Are you that stupid?

yes, you have a choice ..dont eat at fast food restuarants, dont eat at kfc, dont eat oscer myer weiners,dont eat that mystery "meatsauce" you get at 7-11 on top of your nachos ..really it's not that hard to avoid: eat free range or better still buy locally grown meat ..if you cant make any of these conscious choices well then no one can say you didnt know about how your food got to your plate ..now you know



anyways I hate this topic and some of you are still retarded

 

[Nemesis6]

I like McDonalds, and I'm gonna continue to eat it for two reasons: If I start setting up these bullshit rules about where it is "morally acceptable" to eat, it won't stop there. At the end I'll end up a vegan, and I'll be forced to eat soy products and tofu. At that point, I'm back to square one as far as morals go because animals die from fields, too. 2 - It tastes good, and I'm already kind of picky about meat as it is; I can't eat meat that has bones in it for example. I used to be able to do so when I was a kid, but not any longer. Same goes with fat and vains, etc. Almsot barfed last time I tried. It just ruins my appetite, and most fast-food outlets don't have that problem. So as much as I hate animal suffering, Fast-food outlets like McDonalds or Burgerking are really the only ones that can get it right, and that's just beef and chicken burgers, nuggets, etc.

By the way, the quality of 7-11's meat is the least of their worries. Yeah, they look at you. Problem is, some of them mistake the customer for the desk. I'm not a desk.

 

[CptStern]

I like McDonalds, and I'm gonna continue to eat it for two reasons: If I start setting up these bullshit rules about where it is "morally acceptable" to eat, it won't stop there. At the end I'll end up a vegan, and I'll be forced to eat soy products and tofu.

? by choosing free range or farm fresh you'll somehow become vegan?

btw you do make an excellent point even though you dont realise it: it's inconvenient ..it's too inconvenient to take the time to walk 3 feet to the left and pick from the free range aisle in the supermarket ..this isnt important as this

At that point, I'm back to square one as far as morals go because animals die from fields, too.

you mean a natural death? instead of 4 years in a pen where they defecate themselves?

2 - It tastes good, and I'm already kind of picky about meat as it is;

so ..it's about convienence

I can't eat meat that has bones in it for example. I used to be able to do so when I was a kid, but not any longer. Same goes with fat and vains, etc. Almsot barfed last time I tried. It just ruins my appetite, and most fast-food outlets don't have that problem.

? are you serious? you couldnt possibly get worse "meat" than what's used in fast food/prepared foods ..everything from ground up cartilage to bone/bone marrow to snout to hooves to entrails is used in everything from hamburger patties to hot dogs plus a shit load of chemicals your body doesnt need ...what the hell do you think "meat by products" are?

So as much as I hate animal suffering, Fast-food outlets like McDonalds or Burgerking are really the only ones that can get it right, and that's just beef and chicken burgers, nuggets, etc.

what the hell? none of that is real it's all processed ..from the very same "by products" I just listed

 

[Tick]

yes, you have a choice ..dont eat at fast food restuarants, dont eat at kfc, dont eat oscer myer weiners,dont eat that mystery "meatsauce" you get at 7-11 on top of your nachos ..really it's not that hard to avoid: eat free range or better still buy locally grown meat ..if you cant make any of these conscious choices well then no one can say you didnt know about how your food got to your plate ..now you know



anyways I hate this topic and some of you are still retarded

get off your high horse.

 

[CptStern]

get off your high horse.

is that the best you can do? is that the only response you can muster up? some misplaced cliche that says nothing yet speaks volumes about the person saying it

 

[sinkoman]

get off your high horse.

As much of a dick as he's being, he's right. It's really easy to just shell out the few extra bucks on locally grown meat to support the farmers over the industrialists.

It's not like you're some kid in Africa who can't afford anything but the 2 dollar Oscar Meyer Wiener 10 packs. I assume that since you have interwebs access, you can afford the extra 10 dollars here and there for the properly grown stuff.

Although I will admit that it's hypocritical of me to say that, as I myself eat industrialized meat products all the time. As a weak attempt at justification though, I will also say that i'm only 15 and live under my mothers care, so I really have no say in what I eat, as it's all based on her budget.

is that the best you can do? is that the only response you can muster up? some misplaced cliche that says nothing yet speaks volumes about the person saying it

Lol, I was expecting to read back and see:

Stern "SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO EAT VEGIES!"

Meaty "not everybody can spend that much money on vegies, vegies aren't cheap"

Stern "LOL OH WELL TOO BAD"

But was pleasantly surprised to see that you had a very good point

 

[Tick]

is that the best you can do? is that the only response you can muster up? some misplaced cliche that says nothing yet speaks volumes about the person saying it

get of your high horse :cheese:

 

[Jintor]

Marijuana discussion is not allowed, Tick!

 

[CptStern]

get of your high horse :cheese:

at least the first time you spelled every word correctly ..didnt occur to you to copy paste?

 

[Tick]

at least the first time you spelled every word correctly ..didnt occur to you to copy paste?

I was just playing wit you man...no need to be mean

 

[repiV]

I think we're all missing the most important point here - Nemesis actually created a decent thread with many thought-provoking responses, and to top it off, pretty much everyone is actually agreeing with him.

Three cheers...

 

[Solaris]

I think we're all missing the most important point here - Nemesis actually created a decent thread with many thought-provoking responses, and to top it off, pretty much everyone is actually agreeing with him.

Three cheers...

You're joking on the last point?

That stopping eating at Mcdonalds will lead to us all having to eat Tofu is the most ridiculous slippry slope I've ever heard.

 

[repiV]

You're joking on the last point?

That stopping eating at Mcdonalds will lead to us all having to eat Tofu is the most ridiculous slippry slope I've ever heard.

Take a look at the poll responses...

 

[StardogChampion]

I'm the only one who voted "Yes. I'm an idiot".

 

[CptStern]

Take a look at the poll responses...

86% of american soldiers in iraq as of 2006 believe saddam had something to do with 9-11 ..polls especially in this case, as it's such a small demographic are meaningless ..had I posed the same question to say university students the answers would be different ..also doesnt help that the moronic poll gives you the choice of either agreeing with the OP or admitting to idiocy, which is ironic since I've always believed the opposite is true: agreeing with nemesis is akin to admitting idiocy

 

[Tyguy]

has the government flat out said that Saddam had nothing to do with 911? Can someone provide a link? (im not disagreeing I just want to see the report)

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, to be honest, eating meat isn't really something to be amazed that we agree about. And to be really honest, I really have no interest in learning about the predicament my food faces unless it has something to do with me. There are people who have dedicated their entire lives to the welfare of animals. Me not going to McDonalds wi... Ok, let me put it this way:

"I got a tattoo. That way I can be different... like the others."
That's the way it goes with meat, that's the way it goes with the PETA: You should never let your own decency let you to be manipulated by assholes who really do not care about animals. Now what if I find out one day that I've been eating bad meat from some place? Well, I'll deal with that then. Untill then, it's irrelevant and I'll let this stay in the hands of actual professionals who, as I said, have dedicated their lives to the welfare of animals, and neadless to say, that isn't the PETA. Hey, that last part rhymed!

It's the same tool that some environmentalist organizations use; You care about the planet, right? Well then you have to do This, this, this, this, oh, and you can't do that, that, that, that. Now would you hold my leather belt for a mi--- Oh, snap! You didn't hear that. There are always people who can have a good persona, an appeasing presence, and that's why some people will throw out all that has worked for them, all that has become a habit out of neccesity, like eating meat. The problem is that that by the time you find out you've been misled, like Stern, facing that very fact seems inconsiderable. So at that point, you're led with two possible outcomes: 1 - You realize you were used and get over it. 2 - You deny the before-mentioned and start piling a lot of random shit onto the truth untill it's no longer there. "X amount of animals die every year", "Did you know that(insert assertion that you have no idea about the validity of)", anything that helps you avoid the self-realization. It's the exact same way in cults, etc.

Eating meat is not wrong, and if you at any point tell anyone that it is, you have been brainwashed. It is that simple. That you don't see it is something that a proper, decent invididual wouldn't really blame you for, knowing your predicament; The whole being brainwashed thing, you know. Come to think of it, there is a third option: You realize that you have not been morally elevated above the animalkillernazis and start wondering if you're doing the right thing. You will remain undecided, but you will keep looking for stuff that supports that you are. Not in order to persuade others, but to persuade yourself. We all need somewhere to belong, something that binds us to something; something we are in one way of another connected to, and that's fine. What's not is to think that this makes you better, Gray Fox. I don't know why I mention Gray, well, I do, but anyway, I needed to direct this at someone.

By the way, Tyguy, I would really appreciate it if you didn't start talking about 9/11 or anything like that. We started talking about the PETA, and naturally we went on to discuss the things that they're against, but I feel we're about to go a little off-topic now.

 

[kirovman]

I like McDonalds

Alright, I thought some of your ideas were radical, but that takes the biscuit.

 

[CptStern]

has the government flat out said that Saddam had nothing to do with 911? Can someone provide a link? (im not disagreeing I just want to see the report)

dont tell me some americans still believe that lie? they admitted no ties way back in 2003

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

oh and no ties to al qaeda either

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm

Well, to be honest, eating meat isn't really something to be amazed that we agree about.

we dont agree about anything, I'm not sure what you're talking about

And to be really honest, I really have no interest in learning about the predicament my food faces unless it has something to do with me.

of coursse not, there's that inconvience thing again ...you couldnt be bothered, yes that much is apparent but you're wrong when you say it doesnt affect you ..well yes it does, you're ingesting this crap

There are people who have dedicated their entire lives to the welfare of animals.

who? the people who buy farm fresh ort free range meat? they're still eating meat arent they?

Me not going to McDonalds wi... Ok, let me put it this way:

"I got a tattoo. That way I can be different... like the others."
That's the way it goes with meat, that's the way it goes with the PETA: You should never let your own decency let you to be manipulated by assholes who really do not care about animals.

that is the most rediculous analogy I've ever heard and on top of that it makes no sense ..you dont want to not eat mcdonalds because it's not the popular thing to do and somehow it's petas fault? do you reread what you post per chance?

Now what if I find out one day that I've been eating bad meat from some place?

you mean all the places? meat by products is the same if you go to mcdonalds or to burger king ..there's still entrails/bone marrow/giblets etc

Well, I'll deal with that then.

you deal with it every day when you ingest that crap

Untill then, it's irrelevant and I'll let this stay in the hands of actual professionals who, as I said, have dedicated their lives to the welfare of animals, and neadless to say, that isn't the PETA. Hey, that last part rhymed!

who are you talking about?

It's the same tool that some environmentalist organizations use; You care about the planet, right? Well then you have to do This, this, this, this, oh, and you can't do that, that, that, that. Now would you hold my leather belt for a mi--- Oh, snap! You didn't hear that. There are always people who can have a good persona, an appeasing presence, and that's why some people will throw out all that has worked for them, all that has become a habit out of neccesity, like eating meat. The problem is that that by the time you find out you've been misled, like Stern, facing that very fact seems inconsiderable. So at that point, you're led with two possible outcomes: 1 - You realize you were used and get over it. 2 - You deny the before-mentioned and start piling a lot of random shit onto the truth untill it's no longer there. "X amount of animals die every year", "Did you know that(insert assertion that you have no idea about the validity of)", anything that helps you avoid the self-realization. It's the exact same way in cults, etc.

what does this have to do with not eating meat from factory farms? you're babbling incoherently

Eating meat is not wrong, and if you at any point tell anyone that it is, you have been brainwashed.

wouldnt it be the other way around? we've been conditioned to eat meat , therefore we've been brainwashed.

That you don't see it is something that a proper, decent invididual wouldn't really blame you for, knowing your predicament; The whole being brainwashed thing, you know. Come to think of it, there is a third option: You realize that you have not been morally elevated above the animalkillernazis and start wondering if you're doing the right thing. You will remain undecided, but you will keep looking for stuff that supports that you are. Not in order to persuade others, but to persuade yourself. We all need somewhere to belong, something that binds us to something; something we are in one way of another connected to, and that's fine. What's not is to think that this makes you better, Gray Fox. I don't know why I mention Gray, well, I do, but anyway, I needed to direct this at someone.

Kerberos?

you're rambling ..people dont support factory farms because their practices abuse animals and endanger human lives ..this has nothing to do with whatever you think it has to do ..really it is that simple to change your habits ...just reach for the free range aisle the next time you're at a grocer ...and stop eating processed entrails at fast food restuarants

By the way, Tyguy, I would really appreciate it if you didn't start talking about 9/11 or anything like that. We started talking about the PETA, and naturally we went on to discuss the things that they're against, but I feel we're about to go a little off-topic now.

nobody's on topic ..seriously not a single person here even knows what Peta stands for ..if I were to ask everyone here why they voted "no I dont support Peta", to a man they'd all say "they're radical. they throw paint on your fur coat" instead of saying I dont support them because I dont believe animals suffering needlessly is a big deal ..because that's exactly what it boils down to ..none of you understand the issues, even after I cram it down your throats you STILL think animal rights is about not eating meat

 

[Tyguy]

dont tell me some americans still believe that lie? they admitted no ties way back in 2003

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

oh and no ties to al qaeda either

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5328592.stm

Thats why I said I didnt....:|

 

[CptStern]

Thats why I said I didnt....:|

well no need to get all frowny face on me, it's just incredulous that anyone at this point in time would still hold on to that ...not just talking about you

 

[Tick]

I had a ranch chicken BLT today

I like how call everybody retarded in this thread when you are the only retard I see.PETA wants more then just "animal rights" they want complete bans on eating meat drinking milk and so forth.

 

[CptStern]

I had a ranch chicken BLT today

good eats

I like how call everybody retarded in this thread when you are the only retard I see.PETA wants more then just "animal rights" they want complete bans on eating meat drinking milk and so forth.

why? please explain in depth

 

[Tick]

why the **** should I explain? go visit their page and read their agenda.


edit: oh noes a chicken head... -_-
heck I eat ****ing rabbit eye balls a chicken head doesn't bother me,I wouldn't because of the beak,but I wouldn't die in shock if I saw one.