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THE BEGINNING OF THE END.

Next Sunday marks the END of the Sopranos. FOREVER.

What events...will transpire...

Who will live...and die...

And what will become of Tony?


We'll have to wait and see D:
 
I'll find out when it comes on DVD, I'm too far behind on the new season to watch anything. D:
 
Just last week I got back into The Sopranos. I watched Seasons 1 - 3 like 2 years ago, then stopped because they were so damned expensive. But then last week I found Season 4 for 15 quid, and then on Saturday I got Season 5 for 20 quid. Hoorah!!
 
The second half of this season has been pretty weak imo, kind of a shame after 6 straight seasons of unparalleled quality.

Don't get me wrong, it's still better then most of the shit on TV, but the episodes have been really non linear.

I'm thinking Tony dies.
 
On season two DVDs atm :D

Expect me to be caught up with you lot next year :p
 
That last episode was just awesome--the tension was about as thick as it gets! I think Tony will get it in the end too, but not before Phil gets his. I want to see that f*cker dead (Phil that is, not Tony). Can't wait for Sunday!!
 
VictimOfScience said:
That last episode was just awesome--the tension was about as thick as it gets! I think Tony will get it in the end too, but not before Phil gets his. I want to see that f*cker dead (Phil that is, not Tony). Can't wait for Sunday!!
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Yea, i almost crapped my pants. Best Ep of this season by far

Adrien C said:
That show is still on? Damn...
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It's only the most watched show on cable lol;)

SPOILERS

I can't believe Bobby died, i think he deserved to get whacked the least. Horrible last words as well.

"He( his son) doesn't care" :(
 
brink's said:
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I can't believe Bobby died, i think he deserved to get whacked the least. Horrible last words as well.

"He( his son) doesn't care" :(
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Yeah, I agree. So sad. They (the writers) have done a truly incredible job making these greedy, self-centered, biggotted, cold-blooded gangsters seem pretty darn sympathetic too. I hate to see it end!!
 
Grrrr.....that was a weird last episode. I don't know what to think of it, right now I'm just sort of "wtf" about it.
 
I figured we'd have maybe a Godfather II ending (flashback to old times) or Godfather III (alone) or even Goodfellas (witness protection), but...

I mean, it's not bad, certainly not what I was expecting but...alrighty ambiguity is great with somethings (Children Of Men ending), but...this is a cultural phenomenon...you have to go out with a bang D:
 
I liked the ending. It left you with the feeling of paranoia that Tony must be going through. Things are going to go bad for him, it's only a matter of time. It also managed to tie up a lot of loose ends, which was pretty uncharacteristic of the show.
 
You're right about the paranoia, I felt it too. The way that guy was staring, the guy with the baseball cap... I was sure that something bad was gonna happen. Weird cut at the end, but I guess it means that life goes on for the Sopranos. Which is good because I would have hated it otherwise hah!
 
I read on another forum about the flashback from last episode where Tony and Bobby are talking about getting whacked. They mention that you probably don't even know it's happening and then everything just goes black. We might have been seeing his death through his eyes.

Or it ends however you want it to.
 
I just saw the ending, *SOILER*!!!









No one really dies, they're sitting there, in a restaraunt, having dinner, waiting for Tony's daughter, she walks in, second of blank screen, credits roll, open-ended. And plus, everyone else in the store looks like a 'badguy' or hitman, whatever you would choose for words. Then that John from Cincinatti show came on, which was total BS
 
I thought the end was him getting shot, but I read an article which says it just showed that "life goes on", so who knows...
 
I guess it's open to interpretation. I think the blackout gave it a "you never see it coming" approach.
 
Remember Bobby's words in "Sopranos Home Movies"

"You probably don't even hear it..."
 
Ending was great. The whole point of that last scene was just to set up that tony is going to be spending the rest of his life like that: Waiting for the other shoe to drop.
 
I saw it as Tony getting whacked. Bobby in an earlier episode "You probably don't even hear it" when you get whacked. Well, the sound abruptly ends and the screen goes blank as if he's been shot in the head or something. Why not roll the credits with the music like they normally do if it ends with him living? In the original ending the guy who goes into the toilets comes out and reaches into is jacket as if he's going to shoot Tony, they cut this part to make it more ambiguous.

The only way I can feel closure to the series is if Tony is dead, because Tony is the show, without Tony the show cannot continue which is why is abruptly ends.
 
Actually what really happens is that the family gets Hep C from the onion rings and they all die.
 
mortiz said:
The only way I can feel closure to the series is if Tony is dead.
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Which is why everyone wants him to be dead, you all want some kind of closure :p Hell for all we know Tony at that very moment could've stood up with his pants down and Carmella could've given him treats.
 
I don't see how you can interpret the ending as anything other then tony getting whacked. If you ask me, cutting to black after watching a suspicious character enter the washroom in the middle of dinner is a pretty piss poor way to equate that life goes on...

If he lives, they should've provided some closure. If he dies, that was the perfect ending.

Not to mention, a major theme of this show is that life doesn't go on when you're in the business that tony is in. The older/more powerful you get, the more likely you are to whacked. Hell, this show had over 90 deaths during it's run. The "life goes on" theme contradicts the entire series message as far as I'm concerned.
 
Eh like I said before, the way I see it, I think that scene just set up how tony is going to live the rest of his life : Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Theres as much reason to think hes alive as to think he's dead =/ Hell it could've been him just looking up as meadow came through the door. Hell thats exactly what it was, we hear the damn door ringing.
 
If Tony had lived then they should have ended it like a normal episode with the music rolling over the credits; that to me would have signified that "life goes on" but instead they didn't, the music stopped and the screen went black, which suggests something different than the normal occurred at the end of that episode. Lots of major characters have been killed during the run of The Sopranos, but Tony was the most important bar none, without him there's no show which indicates to me why they edited the ending in the way they did. The only alternative is that it was a dream sequence (the whole final scene was very surreal). The way the final scene was put together just doesn’t say “Life goes on” to me.

Not to mention how unsatisfying that message would have been, "Life goes on", that saying is as old as the hills and not particularly insightful.
 
I think what this ending was trying to convey is that Tony has forever condemned himself to a life of paranoia and fear. We only notice the creepy guy because we're thinking about things the way Tony would be. We know what's been going on, and we realize there is grave danger in store for our hero. That tension the scene evoked was probably what the rest of Soprano's life is going to be like.
 
Adrik_Senturu said:
I think what this ending was trying to convey is that Tony has forever condemned himself to a life of paranoia and fear. We only notice the creepy guy because we're thinking about things the way Tony would be. We know what's been going on, and we realize there is grave danger in store for our hero. That tension the scene evoked was probably what the rest of Soprano's life is going to be like.
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Tony had to look over his shoulder long before the final season. Why wait until the final episode to convey this rather simple message, it's hardly ground-breaking is it? Obviously Tony is going to have to look over his shoulder constantly, he's the boss of a mafia family with lots of enemies. The paranoia aspect has been covered well earlier in the series so trying to convey that message alone just wouldn't be interesting.
 
The point was that you thought the tension would amount to something dire because of your connection to the characters, even in a mundane everyday situation. No matter how good things get for Tony, things will NEVER be normal. There is no ending.

It was a clever manipulation by Chase to prove a point, like 90% of people had to believe their channel went out just then. And what are they doing? Having a family dinner at a greasy spoon.

This is what I've always loved about this show. The show has a history of building up to nothing, and I'm surprised that anyone is surprised.

Sometimes in life, things happen and nothing else comes of it. The show has always acknowledged that, and I know it drove people nuts who need everything to lead to something else, but it doesn't always.
 
Yea, but tony isn't leading an ordinary life...he's said on many occasions that a man in his position rarely lasts. Plus, he had almost died 3 times over the course of the series, im guessing his luck ran out. It makes sense that he would get whacked in retaliation as well.
 
Adrik_Senturu said:
The point was that you thought the tension would amount to something dire because of your connection to the characters, even in a mundane everyday situation. No matter how good things get for Tony, things will NEVER be normal. There is no ending.

It was a clever manipulation by Chase to prove a point, like 90% of people had to believe their channel went out just then. And what are they doing? Having a family dinner at a greasy spoon.

This is what I've always loved about this show. The show has a history of building up to nothing, and I'm surprised that anyone is surprised.

Sometimes in life, things happen and nothing else comes of it. The show has always acknowledged that, and I know it drove people nuts who need everything to lead to something else, but it doesn't always.
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Well to me The Sopranos was a TV show, not a philosophical lesson. If it really was meant to be some message about how "Life goes on" then the ending in my eyes was just a load of pretentious crap that I don't want or need, life does sometimes build up to nothing but I don't need a TV show to tell me that, I'm already quite aware of it. If you want to get rather simple-minded philosophy from The Sopranos, go ahead. The fact that the ending was significantly different from normal however tells me that this isn't the case and something more happened.
 
mortiz said:
The fact that the ending was significantly different from normal however tells me that this isn't the case and something more happened.
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Adrik_Senturu said:
The point was that you thought the tension would amount to something dire because of your connection to the characters.
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Adrik_Senturu said:
There is no ending.
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Also something I didn't think of before. Alot of you are throwing around the whole thing about what bobby said about "I bet you don't even hear it". If thats the case than why weren't we looking at the door as meadow came in, and than cut to black? Plenty of the scenes in the diner were from Tony's perspective looking at the door as someone came in. I think the only way the whole "I bet you dont even hear it" Theory could work was if we were in Tony's POV when the screen cut to black. Hell that scene can mean freakin Meadow or AJ got shot :|
 
Posting quotes and not expanding or explaining why you have used them isn't a very impressive form of argument.

Theory could work was if we were in Tony's POV when the screen cut to black.
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Then the show wouldn't have ended with a shot of Tony, how could they have possibly not ended it with a shot of the central, and most important character in the series?
 
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