The Walking Dead Season 2

[Dog--]

when you write something off as being ''just a tv show'' then where does it stop from there? ''it's just a video game thats why it's okay to use the same environments or plot device for the next installment'' for the next modern warfare game? ''it's just a film thats why i dont mind big robots and explosions'' for transformers 8? it's that lack of hope, that defeatist attitude that is making the telvision, film and even the gaming industry stuck in a creative quagmire.

do not accept laziness. challenge your culture.

This really got me. Isn't that what they do anyways? How many Call of Duty games take place in either a) Nazi Germany or b) the middle east. You're saving the world from terrorists in every one too. Also Transformers 2 and 3 sucked and I already stopped trying with that.

And as for the "I want what I pay for" thing: It doesn't have to be 100% perfect for you to get your money's worth. What about all the others shows on AMC? They play some good movies sometimes too. I pay like 5 bucks a month for the channel (it comes packaged with others) and even if they play ONE good movie per month, it's still cheaper than renting it, no?

You are really mad about this, and honestly this will be my last reply to you on the matter. It's a god damn TV show. If you are a huge fan of the comic then good! Read the comic! TV and comics aren't the same thing. The director/writers have a right to their own interpretation in their artistic medium (being television). They could easily just say "the show is loosely based on the comic" and there you go, all your gripes go out the window.

You don't need to get so damn hostile about it, **** sakes man.

 

[knut]

once again my post has been misinterpreted and chalked down to my distaste in the show being caused by my liking of the comic - that is not the case. i don't even care about how much they have deviated from the comic and... why am i even RE-TYPING this? i already said all of this not four posts ago.

the points i am trying to make - and i don't have to look far on the internet to find similar discomforts and rumblings on the point - is that the show itself is very badly written, and whilst that is objective, i would absolutely love a similarly critical response or answer to my above points on things like ninja zombies or shane and rick walking for 10 minutes only for his ''execution spot'' to be basically on the front lawn of the house for the world to see, or carl's sudden amazing accuracy and bizarre reasoning behind firing over his fathers shoulder to kill the noisy zombie that was sneaking up on rick. did none of these things really not register as a bit odd to you? i mean, it is very easy to shrug them off and say ''it's just fiction!!'' but that is lazy defending of a lazy idea. are you really going to just accept that there are people writing things so ridiculously bullshit out there and getting paid to broadcast it to millions of people? because that doesn't sit right with me. this might all be coming off as some media-activist nonsense but i gotta talk out because otherwise i'm just going to sit here and stifle, and this is a forum afterall.

it's what they do because of people like you who are willing to just let it happen. you buy the games, you pay the AMC subscription fee. they'll keep making shitty television and you'll just lap it up because ''it's just tv'' and who really cares if it doesn't make sense, right? it's only tv.

what does that even mean?

 

[Dog--]

the points i am trying to make - and i don't have to look far on the internet to find similar discomforts and rumblings on the point - is that the show itself is very badly written, and whilst that is objective, i would absolutely love a similarly critical response or answer to my above points on things like ninja zombies or shane and rick walking for 10 minutes only for his ''execution spot'' to be basically on the front lawn of the house for the world to see, or carl's sudden amazing accuracy and bizarre reasoning behind firing over his fathers shoulder to kill the noisy zombie that was sneaking up on rick. did none of these things really not register as a bit odd to you? i mean, it is very easy to shrug them off and say ''it's just fiction!!'' but that is lazy defending of a lazy idea. are you really going to just accept that there are people writing things so ridiculously bullshit out there and getting paid to broadcast it to millions of people? because that doesn't sit right with me. this might all be coming off as some media-activist nonsense but i gotta talk out because otherwise i'm just going to sit here and stifle, and this is a forum afterall.

Alright

Ninja Zombies - Near the end when Shane Zombie was walking towards Rick, he didn't hear anything. I think what's happening is the zombies actually are naturally quiet up to quite few meters away, when it would be hard to hear them for anyone. But remember that they can basically run too. So they slowly walk up on a person up to 10 meters away lets say, then they bolt towards the person?

Rick and Shane walking to his execution spot close to the house - I honestly got that through the last few scenes of them walking they had already turned around and were heading home. Am I the only one who thought so? It really seemed to me they were walking home and then Shane started this because he was scared Rick was going to tell everyone and he couldn't have done anything with 10+ people in the same room. So he was going to kill Rick and run off. He knew around where the other hideout was, the prisoner told him.

Carl firing over his dads shoulder without saying anything - First off, I'm going to say I thought this was kind of dumb too. But as for an explanation maybe he was just trying to prove to his dad that he can handle himself, so that's why he killed the zombie. He didn't say anything because maybe he was in shock or too scared or maybe he was concentrating on the shot? Then for the shot itself - I dunno, maybe he is a good aim when he concentrates or maybe it was just a lucky shot?

 

[knut]

Alright

Ninja Zombies - Near the end when Shane Zombie was walking towards Rick, he didn't hear anything. I think what's happening is the zombies actually are naturally quiet up to quite few meters away, when it would be hard to hear them for anyone. But remember that they can basically run too. So they slowly walk up on a person up to 10 meters away lets say, then they bolt towards the person?

i know when someone is walking up behind me and that could something that happens tomorrow when i go into my local store to get some milk and a dude is standing behind me in the que. i think that when the zombie apocalypse comes i'd like to think i'll start being aware of people coming up behind me from a mile away, let alone 10 meters away. crunchy grass, grunting zombie. no excuse.

though i was actually talking more about dale and the zombie in the previous episode.

Rick and Shane walking to his execution spot close to the house - I honestly got that through the last few scenes of them walking they had already turned around and were heading home. Am I the only one who thought so? It really seemed to me they were walking home and then Shane started this because he was scared Rick was going to tell everyone and he couldn't have done anything with 10+ people in the same room. So he was going to kill Rick and run off. He knew around where the other hideout was, the prisoner told him.

err, no, dude, i think the whole arc involving shane and rick might be lost on you. shane had every intention of separating rick from anyone else, it's the whole reason why he helped the kid escape and then killed him in cold blood. he even says the thing between him and rick was never going to work out, contrary to rick's disbelief that he figured they had solved their dispute. he has no intention of running away from the camp because he has no intention of leaving carl or lori - he loves them; he is angry at rick for returning and ''ruining things'', ignorant to the fact there was never anything to ruin between him and lori for she does not feel the same way about him. he is, to put it simply, madly in love with emphasis on the mad. he wants rick gone, and letting the kid to believe he was really going to switch sides was just a story. after all he goes through to make it quite aware that he has strong feelings for lori and carl's safety did you really think he was just going to buck and switch sides? he already decided against it once in this season.

furthermore, shane states that the execution spot was as good as any when questioned by rick on what was about to happen.. shane lead him there, rick is aware of this. he gives shane a good, long, hard stare of sadness even as they're walking through the trees towards the spot. it's like walking up the hangman's noose.

Carl firing over his dads shoulder without saying anything - First off, I'm going to say I thought this was kind of dumb too. But as for an explanation maybe he was just trying to prove to his dad that he can handle himself, so that's why he killed the zombie. He didn't say anything because maybe he was in shock or too scared or maybe he was concentrating on the shot? Then for the shot itself - I dunno, maybe he is a good aim when he concentrates or maybe it was just a lucky shot?

maybe, sure, but doesn't that seem like a helluva rash decision to make when you're inexperienced with a firearm i.e. pretty goddamn ridiculous writing? like i said earlier, in the shows timeline it was only yesterday that he couldn't shoot a walker that was stuck in quagmire.[/quote]

 

[Dog--]

I will get to the other two tomorrow, I don't feel like writing it all out at the moment ( ) , but for the last one - It is a rash decision, absolutely. But then again how does a 12 year old kid know what's best? He's a little kid.

 

[knut]

a 12 year old kid should know the responsibility of handling a firearm at such close quarters, no less when it's the 12 year old kid who is son to a police officer. there is no excuse for attemping to fire over your dads shoulder, it's just way more dramatic and cutting edge in that manner thus why it's in the show. the writers don't care if it doesn't make any rational sense, as long as it looks, as morons these days would say, ''epic''

the logical thing to do is just shout ''dad, lookout!'', surely... ? but then, is it even about what he should or shouldn't of done, especially when there is nothing i can do about it now? who knows, all i'm conscious off is that a series of bad decisions on the writers and directors part led them to that scenario and that makes me pretty pissed.

 

[Krynn72]

Haha, people are still trying to defend all the cliches in this show? I just got caught up on all the episodes, since I had **** all else to do. Overall the show has only gotten marginally better than the first season, and the first season was, to put it simply, bad. Every bad thing about it can be chalked up to shitty writing.

Character progression is questionable at best in terms of any of it making sense. Really? Glen is giving whats her face the cold shoulder because he thinks wanting to live and be with her is going to hurt the group somehow? Da fuk? The situations people find themselves in are cliched and predictable to the point where I'm figuring out exactly whats going to happen half an episode or more beforehand. The only major event that I didn't "call" in the last few episodes was Dale, and thats because it was just ****ing retarded. Made no god damned sense whatsoever.

Not that I really gave a shit that he died. I find myself only caring about the story of one character, and that's the Boondock Saints guy. His character is the only one who actually seems like he could be a real person. Everyone else is so hamstrung by their archetype that they have no depth for any progression to be possible, and any attempt at it is just forced. And that shows.

 

[The Monkey]

Am I the only one fed up with the hypocrisy of the American censorship? They can show children getting murdered, intestines ripped out and brains battered in, but they can't show a pair or tits or a dick, or even say f*ck...

This show is nothing short "violence pornography" (as it's known in Sweden, I'm uncertain of the English term), and I think it's far, far more dangerous to young minds than any naked body or sexual act.

 

[knut]

you're absolutely right, i hadn't even considered the censorship of the nudity. when breasts or penis are shown so widley on television in game of thrones, boardwalk empire or mad men it kind of goes right over my head because of how normal sexual organs or the human body is, whereas the walking dead is constantly making me grimace at it's ultraviolence. like, i get the idea of making it pretty violent as it's a very violent world they are living in, but the human element to this show is so sorely lacking.

show is doing all the wrong things wrong.

 

[Krynn72]

Am I the only one fed up with the hypocrisy of the American censorship?

You're just now getting to that point? Most of us hit that point a decade ago.

 

[The Monkey]

You're just now getting to that point? Most of us hit that point a decade ago.

It doesn't bother me on most shows, but with the ultra-violence in this show, the lack of nudity just become ridiculous.

 

[morgs]

I don't want a soft porn like Game of Thrones in my zombie show thanks!

 

[The Monkey]

Just a bit of tit and cock every now and then would be welcome.

 

[Lucid]

Apparently Michonne makes her appearance on tonight's episode.
I am intrigued.

edit: Not a bad finale aside from everyone seemingly having unlimited ammo.
Also, Michonne has indeed arrived... in badass fashion no less.

I'm just not a fan of the way they gave her the "cloaked stranger" look.

 

[CptStern]

why isnt there more zombie shakespheare in my zombie show? lol some of you have extremely high expectations about a show where the dead somehow magically come back to life and no longer play by the rules of what corpses are supposed to do. cliches in a tv show centered around cliche monsters is somehow surprising. it's as if a big portion of the viewing audience (or more accurately a tiny vocal minority) doesnt know what it wants; human conflict vs focusing on the show's real stars: slow moving human piranhas who are about as interesting as vegetables with teeth. really, how many endless repeats of the "oh noes a zombie snuck up behind me" trope do you want to see?

I like the show for what it is, not for what it isnt or what it could be if some magical set of circumstances were met. circumstances that only true fans of the comic seem to know

@ Monkey: if the show wants to air on tv it has to abide by certain broadcast standards; sex is taboo in the US so it's never been a surprise when the most you'll get is a boobie flash. blame the political climate and cultural norms: guns are ok, boobies are not. I mean this sentiment is exclusive to americans as it was said without a hint of irony or sarcasm:

"a 12 year old kid should know the responsibility of handling a firearm at such close quarters"

only in america. ..or perhaps iraq or afghanistan or ...

 

[The Monkey]

An OK finale. I like the direction they are taking Rick, towards a bit darker territory, it's really the only way I see to rise the show above its current mediocrity. My only concern is if the actor playing him is capable enough for such a transition.

Lori is just a huge ****. Why the hell did she get so upset about Rick killing Shane in self-defence? One minute she's saying she supports Rick no matter what, the next she is turning against him. I hope she and that disgusting son of hers are killed as soon as possible, but it's just empty hope, I know.

Also, why did the zombies move so much slower when attacking the old fart with the shotgun? They were running at everyone else...

 

[Dog--]

Lori is just a huge ****. Why the hell did she get so upset about Rick killing Shane in self-defence? One minute she's saying she supports Rick no matter what, the next she is turning against him. I hope she and that disgusting son of hers are killed as soon as possible, but it's just empty hope, I know.

****ing this.

 

[The Monkey]

****ing this.

Shane-who-once-tried-to-rape-me-and-harasses-me-constantly, I might add. If there was ever an appropriate time for her to **** the shit out of Rick in gratitude, it would be then, instead she looks like she wanna kill him.

 

[Krynn72]

I didnt watch the finale yet, but my sister did and she now hates the show. She's pissed at the nonsensical reactions everyone is having towards Rick, and more importantly, the totally random samurai chick with zombie pets. She thinks it was even more nonsensical for such a person to exist than it was for rickwife to be pissed that her rapist meathead asshole who she hates is dead.

And now I dont even care enough to watch this last episode, even if I'm bored like I was when I watched all the other episodes. I'll just start rewatching Futurama, or Rome or something for the 12th+ time.

 

[Warped Dan]

I liked the finale and still like this zombie show that is still one of a kind. I don't understand all the hate for it as of recently

ya'll are wusses

go **** yourself and make a better zombie tv show

 

[Lucid]

go **** yourself and make a better zombie tv show

Wow, that's the worst argument anyone could ever use against anyone.

Anyways, everyone's pissed at Rick mostly because Carl is the one who ended up killing Shane as a zombie in the end.
But, I do agree that Lori is the worst ****ing character in the history of television.

Also, what the **** Krynn, Michonne("samurai girl") is the greatest character in the comics.
The two zombie pets she keeps are her boyfriend and her best friend and the sword belonged to her neighbor.

 

[Krynn72]

If by greatest, you mean most retarded, then you're right. If you meant anything else, then you're wrong.

 

[Dog--]

Shane-who-once-tried-to-rape-me-and-harasses-me-constantly, I might add. If there was ever an appropriate time for her to **** the shit out of Rick in gratitude, it would be then, instead she looks like she wanna kill him.

Seems like everyone feels that way about Rick. Like he saved everyones life more than once and did what HAD to be done in regards to Shane, or else he'd be dead. But everyone hates his guts. I can't wait until Lori dies (she has to. not one fan likes her).

 

[Lucid]

If by greatest, you mean most retarded, then you're right. If you meant anything else, then you're wrong.

It's amusing just how wrong you are.

 

[Krynn72]

It's amusing just how wrong you are.

Well, next time I know all I need to do to impress Lucid in storytelling is to make a sterotypical badass katana psycho chick. So cool bro. So cool.

 

[Dog--]

Well, next time I know all I need to do to impress Lucid in storytelling is to make a sterotypical badass katana psycho chick. So cool bro. So cool.

Show is based off comics. Katana chick is in comics. I don't see how this was a "bad decision" or a stupid character addition or anything?

 

[Lucid]

Well, next time I know all I need to do to impress Lucid in storytelling is to make a sterotypical badass katana psycho chick. So cool bro. So cool.

There's so much more to her than that.
I mean, if you even cared to check out the comics then you'd know.

The comics are approximately 100.10% better than the show.
Though, I guess reading is pretty hard for you.

 

[Krynn72]

I know she was in the comics, and she sounds like a terrible character to make regardless. I read her character bio and she sounds like nothing but an out of place cliche.

 

[CptStern]

she sounds like nothing but an out of place cliche.

in a show about monster cliches. man you guys are something else. I'm hoping merle will return wielding a chainsaw where his hand used to be because THAT WOULD BE COOL. and he leads a band of leather clad neo nazis riding motorcycles waving morning stars and singing patriotic songs. and then zombie jesus strolls in and is all like "wtf let my people go" and the coloured girls go do doo do de doo doo

ya sure I chuckled when Glenn was pulling off headshots from a moving car with a shot gun and was disappointed Herschel said "I know god's plan was to raise the dead but didnt think this is what he meant" with a straight face (would have worked so much better if he broke the 4th wall and looked at the camera with a shit eating grin) but at no time did it break my suspension of disbelief because it's a completely implausible fictional world that has no real grounding in reality

someone please explain what part of a zombie apocalypse is even remotely plausible never mind at all realistic. sheesh

 

[Krynn72]

someone please explain what part of a zombie apocalypse is even remotely plausible never mind at all realistic. sheesh

The survival element, you know, the thing we've been talking about since the first damn thread? There are things people do in desperate survival elements, and becoming a katana wielding zombie domesticating loner who stalks through the woods at night is not one of those things. Even if it werent a Zombie Apocalypse, but a Slight and Entirely Manageable Zombie Infestation at the Local Park, people wouldn't do such a stupid stupid stupid lame lame lame thing. Because its so stupid and lame.

 

[Warped Dan]

A zombie apocalypse isn't realistic at all. There are more guns, ammo and weapons in America alone to finish off many zombies. But besides that just because it isn't realistic doesn't make this show any worse. Half-Life of all things is not realistic but one can imagine it to be very well thought out. Also a zombie apocalypse hasn't happened so there is no basis on comparing anything about this show to what could happen.

 

[Dog--]

The survival element, you know, the thing we've been talking about since the first damn thread? There are things people do in desperate survival elements, and becoming a katana wielding zombie domesticating loner who stalks through the woods at night is not one of those things. Even if it werent a Zombie Apocalypse, but a Slight and Entirely Manageable Zombie Infestation at the Local Park, people wouldn't do such a stupid stupid stupid lame lame lame thing. Because its so stupid and lame.

Maybe she went insane? Wait, clearly she did as those zombies are her brother and someone else she knew (forgot who). And if you read the zombie survival guide or just used common sense, you'd realize that a katana is the best melee weapon one could have in such a scenario. Best for slicing. Quick kill by chopping heads in half and keeping quiet.

I don't understand why you're fighting this.

 

[CptStern]

The survival element, you know, the thing we've been talking about since the first damn thread? There are things people do in desperate survival elements, and becoming a katana wielding zombie domesticating loner who stalks through the woods at night is not one of those things. Even if it werent a Zombie Apocalypse, but a Slight and Entirely Manageable Zombie Infestation at the Local Park, people wouldn't do such a stupid stupid stupid lame lame lame thing. Because its so stupid and lame.

you misunderstood me. I meant what part of the zombie apocalypse is at all believable? they're dead people walking around somehow not turning into worm food sustaining themselves with an occasional meal with organs that couldnt possibly digest anything. the whole thing should have last 2 weeks max and then there'd be a bunch of skeletons picked clean by animals and insects

suspension of disbelief is right out the window from the very get go and some of you are complaining about unrealistic dialogue or motivations? hell I'd have been disappointed if someone didnt turn up with some awesome form of melee weapon because with unrotting dead walking around that would be the least unbelievable thing I'd see all day

dual chainsaws, bolos with razor wire, silver headed throwing axes and a sweet civil war era gattling gun firing sharpened stakes

 

[Vegeta897]

This is kind of like a classic scifi argument here.

Stern, just because the premise is unrealistic doesn't mean that anything in the show is also allowed to be unrealistic. People enjoy when a situation that would never happen in real life is presented and dealt with exactly as it would in real life, with no other unrealistic elements thrown in.

"The show has ****ing zombies, why do you expect it to be realistic!?!?" is not a valid argument.

 

[Dog--]

This is kind of like a classic scifi argument here.

Stern, just because the premise is unrealistic doesn't mean that anything in the show is also allowed to be unrealistic. People enjoy when a situation that would never happen in real life is presented and dealt with exactly as it would in real life, with no other unrealistic elements thrown in.

"The show has ****ing zombies, why do you expect it to be realistic!?!?" is not a valid argument.

Alright, just because you say "Oh lol that's not a real argument" doesn't make it so. It clearly is a valid argument. It's a fantasy scenario that can't happen, therefore any crazy shit that does happen (like someone getting their guts stabbed out and coming back to life, than a child shooting a one-in-a-million shot over his dads shoulder into the zombie) is fine and excusable. It's a ****ing TV show that's based on a comic. Suspend your disbelief for one god damn second and stop being an over analyzing troll.

 

[Krynn72]

Star Wars had a fantasy scenario that was unrealistic, does that make the existence of Jar Jar Binks excusable? No it doesn't, and thus an argument that suggests otherwise is not a valid argument.

 

[Dog--]

YOU'RE NOT VALID.

 

[Warped Dan]

Star Wars had a fantasy scenario that was unrealistic, does that make the existence of Jar Jar Binks excusable? No it doesn't, and thus an argument that suggests otherwise is not a valid argument.

First impressions can be confusing. My best friend I hated when we first met, and hated him for a long time but after a while I got to know him and I learned he liked a lot of stuff I liked. Not saying you are going to like this character but give it time. You might like her and they'll do a background story on her and then who knows you might like this 'bad ass' character.

 

[Vegeta897]

Suspend your disbelief for one god damn second and stop being an over analyzing troll.

Did you not understand anything in my post? First of all, I was never even part of whatever argument you guys were having about things in the show, so I'm not analyzing anything (nor am I trolling.. the ****?)
I was making a point about the fact that some people prefer their sci fi to be realistic in a non-realistic premise. Thus, using the fact that the show is based on something that couldn't happen to excuse all other unrealistic events in the show is not really a solid argument. It's fine that YOU don't mind unrealistic things in the show, but I was explaining krynn's point of view.

 

[Dog--]

Did you not understand anything in my post? First of all, I was never even part of whatever argument you guys were having about things in the show, so I'm not analyzing anything (nor am I trolling.. the ****?)
I was making a point about the fact that some people prefer their sci fi to be realistic in a non-realistic premise. Thus, using the fact that the show is based on something that couldn't happen to excuse all other unrealistic events in the show is not really a solid argument. It's fine that YOU don't mind unrealistic things in the show, but I was explaining krynn's point of view.

Oh, I'm sorry man