The world Hitler wanted...

[WaterMelon34]

...sort of. I've noticed all these things Hitler would enjoy going on in Canada/USA/some European countries that are really starting to disturb me. First, the soon to be legalization of PAS (Physically Assisted Suicide), is something I think Hitler would have liked, and an example would be "I don't think my disabled husband who can't speak wants to live anymore, so lets kill him". Second, in accordance to the legalization of PAS they will legalize the killing of the disabled/insane, another thing Hitler would have liked. Third, legalizing abortion, an example would be "It's a he, kill him." a type of "filtering" Hitler would have liked. And last, the one thing that would make Hitler's view on the world better than what the world will be soon, gay marriages. Is this world going to hell?

Discuss.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I also hear hitler likes cake. Hey you...Stop eating that cake you nazi!

 

[clarky003]

Is this world going to hell?

Perhaps, its probably been hijacked by Capitalist Criminal's.

Interesting post, lol.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Capitalist Criminal's from the land of Ahho.

 

[spookymooky]

Does anyone else hate Hitler being the omnipresent example for utter evil. Not only that, but even the mildest things are compared to him sometimes, which directly contradicts the ultimate evil thing. I rather dislike that Hitler is the political equivalent of Satan.

 

[Ikerous]

I also hear hitler likes cake. Hey you...Stop eating that cake you nazi!

My thoughts exactly.. just because Hitler would've liked something doesn't mean it's bad for society

 

[WaterMelon34]

What? Let's not get technical here and think about the point of my post, are you going to tell me abortion is good for society? These are the things Hitler was trying to achieve, a pure, perfect world. But, the end does not justify the means. He wanted to kill anyone who wasn't "perfect", a lot like what is to happen soon...maybe.

 

[spookymooky]

What? Let's not get technical here and listen to what is going on around you, are you going to tell me abortion is good for society? These are the things Hitler was trying to achieve, a pure, perfect world. But, the end does not justify the means.

The two can be related, if abortion is forced as a means of sterilization for reason of eugenics, but as it is in today's society, no.

 

[Ikerous]

are you going to tell me abortion is good for society?

Actually, yea

But, i do see where you're coming from. The actions themselves are similar to malicious actions Hitler would've liked. However, the intent/results make the difference.

 

[Glirk Dient]

What? Let's not get technical here and think about the point of my post, are you going to tell me abortion is good for society? These are the things Hitler was trying to achieve, a pure, perfect world. But, the end does not justify the means. He wanted to kill anyone who wasn't "perfect", a lot like what is to happen soon...maybe.

You fail to realize what everyone is saying here. Just because hitler may have wanted it doesn't mean it is bad.

Current day abortion is not us trying to eradicate non "perfect" people. It is helping out those who are careless about sex.

Granted I am againt abortion, I do not see it as being something you can stick hitlers name on. Abortion is another topic and bringing hitler up as evidence againt it will only get you laughed at.

 

[WaterMelon34]

The only way abortion can be good for society is if the child will die anyway. Other than that, why not give the child up for adoption? I'd rather be an orphan than dead.

What are you talking about? I know a lot of stupid girls who get pregnant and just use abortion as an anti-pregnancy pill so they can go out and screw again. There is no need for abortion, and it is a brutal way to end someone's life. Therefore it's wrong.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I agree about abortion being bad. Adoption is too hard these days because of lack of kids. The only reason abortion should be used IMO is rape, incest and all that kind of horrible stuff. Being careless is not a good excuse to get the baby murdered.

 

[Ikerous]

I agree about abortion being bad. Adoption is too hard these days because of lack of kids. The only reason abortion should be used IMO is rape, incest and all that kind of horrible stuff. Being careless is not a good excuse to get the baby murdered.

Doesn't that imply that murder is somehow right if you're raped?

 

[dream431ca]

My thoughts exactly.. just because Hitler would've liked something doesn't mean it's bad for society

Correct...anyone own a volkswagon car...Hitler's Car Company...no kidding.

 

[WaterMelon34]

If you get raped and pregnant, you put the baby up for adoption. Saves a life.

 

[bliink]

...sort of. I've noticed all these things Hitler would enjoy going on in Canada/USA/some European countries that are really starting to disturb me. First, the soon to be legalization of PAS (Physically Assisted Suicide), is something I think Hitler would have liked, and an example would be "I don't think my disabled husband who can't speak wants to live anymore, so lets kill him". Second, in accordance to the legalization of PAS they will legalize the killing of the disabled/insane, another thing Hitler would have liked. Third, legalizing abortion, an example would be "It's a he, kill him." a type of "filtering" Hitler would have liked. And last, the one thing that would make Hitler's view on the world better than what the world will be soon, gay marriages. Is this world going to hell?

Discuss.

Is there even a point to this, or have you just picked a random cluster of things (PAS, Abortion, Gay marriage) and thrown a hitler label on it for the hell of it? Its a whole thread based on Godwins law!

You automatically fail. Your whole point is, according to Godwin, "a trivialization ... both illogical and offensive".

And its exactly right! your entire argument is a trivialization of real political issues by dumping them through a sensationalist filter.

You realise, that the point you are making, the thread's argument, is therefore, a logical fallacy.

 

[spookymooky]

Correct...anyone own a volkswagon car...Hitler's Car Company...no kidding.

I've heard the bug was actually developed as a gift to high ranking ss.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Doesn't that imply that murder is somehow right if you're raped?

Is it right to force that mother to give birth to a child she was forced to have? That kid would have a very painful life and be fatherless and that mother would most likely not be able to support her child. It will ease the mother and the childs life by aborting. Granted others may have a hard life but they had a choice. There is also adoption available...but the option should be left open for victims of crime since that child should never have been created.

Is there even a point to this, or have you just picked a random cluster of things (PAS, Abortion, Gay marriage) and thrown a hitler label on it for the hell of it? Its a whole thread based on Godwins law!

You automatically fail. Your whole point is, according to Godwin, "a trivialization ... both illogical and offensive".

And its exactly right! your entire argument is a trivialization of real political issues by dumping them through a sensationalist filter.

You realise, that the point you are making, the thread's argument, is therefore, a logical fallacy.

OMG Blink owned!

 

[Ikerous]

Is it right to force that mother to give birth to a child she was forced to have? That kid would have a very painful life and be fatherless and that mother would most likely not be able to support her child. It will ease the mother and the childs life by aborting. Granted others may have a hard life but they had a choice. There is also adoption available...but the option should be left open for victims of crime since that child should never have been created.

So it's okay to kill someone if they're going to make your life hard and have a hard life themself? I think that's absolutely disgusting. If someone thinks abortion is murder, then it shouldn't be acceptable even in cases of rape.

edit: And most ppl dont choose to have a hard life

 

[spookymooky]

Is it right to force that mother to give birth to a child she was forced to have? That kid would have a very painful life and be fatherless and that mother would most likely not be able to support her child. It will ease the mother and the childs life by aborting. Granted others may have a hard life but they had a choice. There is also adoption available...but the option should be left open for victims of crime since that child should never have been created.

Please start an abortion thread rather than go off on this.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Is there even a point to this, or have you just picked a random cluster of things (PAS, Abortion, Gay marriage) and thrown a hitler label on it for the hell of it? Its a whole thread based on Godwins law!

You automatically fail. Your whole point is, according to Godwin, "a trivialization ... both illogical and offensive".

And its exactly right! your entire argument is a trivialization of real political issues by dumping them through a sensationalist filter.

You realise, that the point you are making, the thread's argument, is therefore, a logical fallacy.

My point is, if we're going to do things like that, you could compare Hitler to our governments. And oh my gawd, please stop over-emphasizing the fact that I said Hitler.

 

[Ikerous]

Please start an abortion thread rather than go off on this.

The Topic Starter started the tangent so I thought it'd be appropritate

My point is, if we're going to do things like that, it would be better (does not mean I actually would rather that, as he was a very bad man) if Hitler won the war.

How so ;

 

[Kebean PFC]

There you guys go...
First you need to define life. What is it? What makes a being alive? Then you have to look through an adoptee's eyes. One of my good friends is adopted, she hates it. That may just be her though, im not sure...

Also,

brutal way

No, its not brutal. Do you eat meat? If you do, that is supporting a brutal industry. Abortion in my view does not end a life, seeing as how that "life" is a clump of cells.

I'd rather be an orphan than dead.

How would you know?

I don't think my disabled husband who can't speak wants to live anymore, so lets kill him

Wrong again. The person that wished to die needs to either communicate that wish or be a vegatable, and what i mean by that is is that they don't move or do anything, they just sit there. I think that sucicide should be made legal. If a person feels the need to end thier life and does all the paperwork, they should be allowed that option, legally, at a medical facility by lethal injection (morphine overdose). It is easier than dispatching a team to someone's house to pick up bits becuase the guy decided to shoot himself.

 

[Glirk Dient]

So it's okay to kill someone if they're going to make your life hard and have a hard life themself? I think that's absolutely disgusting. If someone thinks abortion is murder, then it shouldn't be acceptable even in cases of rape.

edit: And most ppl dont choose to have a hard life

Alright your interpreting what ive been saying wrong...or in the worst way possible. Heh anyways I don't want to derail this hitler thread so ill just murderlize you and get it over with.

 

[bliink]

My point is, if we're going to do things like that, it would be better (does not mean I actually would rather that, as he was a very bad man) if Hitler won the war.

No, you're completely wrong because the points you made have nothing to do with hitler beneath a superficial level. Do you have any comprehension of what the world would be like if hitler won the war? It would be COMPLETELY and UTTERLY different in every conceivable way if history was altered in such a way.

The fact you are putting such a simplistic and "trivialized" perspective on it is what makes it offensive!

Despite the factual fallacy that exists in your argument, there is also Argumentum ad verecundiam which is something else you need to read about. It means you can't use a popular figure to be the basis of an argument solely for the fact that the person was popular.

Its like this: "Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God." Therefore god exists.

You're saying: "Hitler was a bad man and he wanted to legalise abortion" Therefore abortion is bad.

Its a flawed form of logic. You are mangling logic every time you post abominations like this!

 

[Last One In]

Earth is most definitally turning into a heartless, soulless, emotionless place, just like hitler wanted.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I believe the earth is flat

Discuss.

 

[ComradeBadger]

If you get raped and pregnant, you put the baby up for adoption. Saves a life.

Ever spoken to a woman who's been raped? No, didn't think so - do you have ANY idea what it's like to be carrying a CONSTANT remindar of your ordeal for 9 months?

Christ.

 

[WaterMelon34]

It's called rape. People die from much worse things. Do you think that your problems should affect someone else? No, didn't think so, so why kill some kid because you were raped into having it? Is it the babies fault? No. Look, lets not get dramatic about things like rape, it happens all the time. It's a part of many people's lives, but it doesn't mean you can decide someone elses fate because you feel like shit after some ordeal. You are infact, a creature. Creatures do things to each other just are horribly sick.

Do you have any idea what it's like? No you don't, so don't base your ideas on pure theory. Unless of course you're a female?

 

[bliink]

It's called rape. People die from much worse things. Do you think that your problems should affect someone else? No, didn't think so, so why kill some kid because you were raped into having him? Is it the babies fault? No. Look, lets not get dramatic about things like rape, it happens all the time. It's a part of many people's lives, but it doesn't mean you can give someone elses fate because you feel like shit after some ordeal. You are infact, a creature. Creatures do things to each other just are horribly sick.

At what point is a fertelised cell a "kid"?

 

[Glirk Dient]

It's called rape. People die from much worse things. Do you think that your problems should affect someone else? No, didn't think so, so why kill some kid because you were raped into having him? Is it the babies fault? No. Look, lets not get dramatic about things like rape, it happens all the time. It's a part of many people's lives, but it doesn't mean you can give someone elses fate because you feel like shit after some ordeal. You are infact, a creature. Creatures do things to each other just are horribly sick.

I think you may have contradicted yourself. You say how it isnt right to kill someone because you feel shitty. You then say we are just creatures and creatures do bad things to eachother. Hmm..

BTW you may be shocked...but rape isn't just "Suprise sex" with a "Suprise kid". It is a crime and a very serious one.

 

[Absinthe]

...sort of. I've noticed all these things Hitler would enjoy going on in Canada/USA/some European countries that are really starting to disturb me. First, the soon to be legalization of PAS (Physically Assisted Suicide), is something I think Hitler would have liked, and an example would be "I don't think my disabled husband who can't speak wants to live anymore, so lets kill him". Second, in accordance to the legalization of PAS they will legalize the killing of the disabled/insane, another thing Hitler would have liked. Third, legalizing abortion, an example would be "It's a he, kill him." a type of "filtering" Hitler would have liked. And last, the one thing that would make Hitler's view on the world better than what the world will be soon, gay marriages. Is this world going to hell?

Discuss.

Your post makes little sense.

Discuss.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Fine then, get married to gays, kill your kids because they remind you of something you don't exactly like, help people commit suicide, watch our society fall apart and call everyone with a different opinion a moron. Useless talking to people who still can't get past the fact that I included Hitler in a post and actually continue.

BTW: Nice edit v_v

 

[Absinthe]

Fine then, get married to gays, kill your kids because they remind you of something you don't exactly like, help people commit suicide, watch our society fall apart and call everyone with a different opinion a moron. Useless talking to people who still can't get past the fact that I included Hitler in a post and actually continue.

No, I think your points have been well refuted even when ignoring your ridiculous employment of Nazi references. Your arguments don't hold any water either, relying on a lot of question begging and misrepresentations.

But here's a tip for the future. If you don't want people to get hung up on something you consider to be a trivial aspect of your topic, then don't don't make direct references to the most prominent murderer of the 20th century. It's so heavily interlaced into your argument that one cannot simply help but respond to it.

 

[dream431ca]

Fine then, get married to gays, kill your kids because they remind you of something you don't exactly like, help people commit suicide, watch our society fall apart and call everyone with a different opinion a moron. Useless talking to people who still can't get past the fact that I included Hitler in a post and actually continue.

BTW: Nice edit v_v

Well...lets see...your on a European forum...and in the 1940's Hitler was very close to taking over Europe. These subjects are touchey in this part of the world. You and I are from Canada, so we have no idea what it's like...therefore, Hitler + Discussions about Hitler in Europe = Not to friendly replies.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Well...lets see...your on a European forum...and in the 1940's Hitler was very close to taking over Europe. These subjects are touchey in this part of the world. You and I are from Canada, so we have no idea what it's like...therefore, Hitler + Discussions about Hitler in Europe = Not to friendly replies.

I'm Polish, I know exactly what the hell happened in Europe and yes it is touchy and you just pissed me off.

 

[dream431ca]

I'm Polish, I know exactly what the hell happened in Europe and yes it is touchy and you just pissed me off.

I'm polish too...and I know what happened as well...the point is, it's still a very touchy subject...as you can see.

 

[WaterMelon34]

Well thank god for that?

 

[bliink]

Its not because hitler is a touchy subject. Its because your argument was nonsensical.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I dont think its just that you brought up hitler that is touchy. Its the fact that your so stubborn that you said anything that isn't what you think is what hitler wanted because he had/did things similar. When people that have different views than you do read that and see you are calling them supporters of a modern day hitler it pisses them off...and even more so due to a lot of the people on these boards being european. Heck it would piss anyone off.