Three cheers to shut him up!

[Yuri]

I honestly haven't seen Chris_D do anything of the sort, not even once. He's one of the fairest mods here (not to knock any of the other ones )

Well first of all, you should take it in PM. Only because posting a topic publicly like this gathers everyone to the thread to defend this staff member at all costs to prove who's the best brown nose.

I agree with you that this should have been a PM, but I don't exactly respect your last comment there. What reason does anyone really have here to brown-nose anyway, to earn cookies from mods that live thousands of miles away? I only commented because I state my opinion about a person-- and if a "normal" member of HL2.net that I respected was attacked in the same manner as Chris was, I would have commented in the same way.

I'm just stating that I'm not "brown-nosing" or being a, pardon the phrase but.. "teacher's pet" just because he is a mod. I would have said the same thing for anyone around here that I respect, so blah

 

[dkelly]

Different communities have different preferences and ways of doing things. This community doesn't want idle and pointless talk, that is what IRC is for.

In exchange for having strict rules when it comes to things that have already been discussed recently we no longer have to put up with the innevitable flaming that would occur inside those threads. You can't have the best of both worlds.

EDIT: Oh and Chris_D along with the rest of the mods are all good people in my opinion, and no I am not trying to suck up here. That is just how I feel.

Also, cutting out that pointless chit chat saves hella time when trying to get the point of a question, or when doing searches too.

I say three cheers on the good job gentlemen(gentlewomen too?).
It's why I settled in this HL2 forum, and not another.

 

[DoctorGordon]

There are more people here that prefer us to kill threads than to keep them going.

Give me a good reason why, i'll rest my case, and have a happy outlook on the iron fist of the mods

 

[dkelly]

Give me a good reason why, i'll rest my case, and have a happy outlook on the iron fist of the mods

Wouldn't it just be easier to give a good reason why it's not working? As opposed to the content people swarming you with thread links that were closed due to lazyness? (no search).

 

[Chris D]

I actually missed your comment at the end there CrazyHarij.

Even if people were coming into this thread purely to brown-nose, it certainly wouldn't get them anywhere if it's in hopes of getting moderator-ship themselves. It doesn't work like that. We choose moderators based on their attitude and conduct with fellow members and their contributions to the forum in terms of quality posts etc.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

 

[Yuri]

Well, duh!

 

[Chris D]

Give me a good reason why, i'll rest my case, and have a happy outlook on the iron fist of the mods

I've explained the reason why. The majority of members are happy with the system. There's no point in us doing it the other way if it'll make the majority of the community unhappy with our methods.

You don't have to be happy with it. You just have to understand that you're one of the few people we're unable to satisfy completely, and as already mentioned - it is impossible to satisfy everybody completely.

 

[Letters]

The only problem I have with Chris_D... is he doesn't post in Off-Topic enough.

 

[DoctorGordon]

How do ppl "dragging" out topics in threads hurt anyone? Let them vent their minds in them all they want, if you dont want to hear it, dont go in the thread. I'm saying, let the threads naturally "expire". We have nothing better to do than chit-chat currently anyways, and calling one thread more useful than another is stupid. As far as im concerned no thread is relatively 'important' at all unless its saying to restart steam to get a preload or DL some new binks.

 

[dkelly]

How do ppl "dragging" out topics in threads hurt anyone? Let them vent their minds in them all they want, if you dont want to hear it, dont go in the thread. I'm saying, let the threads naturally "expire". We have nothing better to do than chit-chat currently anyways, and calling one thread more useful than another is stupid. As far as im concerned no thread is relatively 'important' at all unless its saying to restart steam to get a preload or DL some new binks.

It not so much that one is more important than the other, it's just that if the conversation is already going on in one thread, why not keep it there?

I've only seen threads closed for two reasons.
The first being that they're already being discussed somewhere else, and the second being flaming. Granted I haven't been around here all that long, but I've still seen a fair share of closed threads.

 

[Icarus]

How do ppl "dragging" out topics in threads hurt anyone? Let them vent their minds in them all they want, if you dont want to hear it, dont go in the thread. I'm saying, let the threads naturally "expire". We have nothing better to do than chit-chat currently anyways, and calling one thread more useful than another is stupid. As far as im concerned no thread is relatively 'important' at all unless its saying to restart steam to get a preload or DL some new binks.

The majority doesn't think like that, the majority doesn't want their boards cluttered with useless talk, and the majority doesn't want flaming, and the majority doesn't like repeat topics. I rest my case.

 

[DoctorGordon]

The majority doesn't think like that, the majority doesn't want their boards cluttered with useless talk, and the majority doesn't want flaming, and the majority doesn't like repeat topics. I rest my case.

If the majority doesnt want useless talk, how is there 'that much' useless talk? So far it seems about 90-95% of people like your way of doing things, if all of you always talk about 'useful' things, how do you even notice 5% of ppl talking "useless talk"?

Oh and there should be a flaming section, flaming is good for people to vent anger, that way they dont bring that anger the next day with them to work/school, or where ever. If a topic turns into flames, instead of closing it like you normally would, move it over to the flaming section, let people get over it. If not you got these ppl posting in other threads and being perhaps a bit more harsh that normal, making more people angry.

Anyways:

Forums shouldnt be about replying to the ideal thread just sitting right there every time, with the perfect conversation by a bunch of professors going on inside.

Let some people blab when they want too, and avoid threads that dont sound interesting to you personally.

 

[dkelly]

Oh and there should be a flaming section, flaming is good for people to vent anger, that way they dont bring that anger the next day with them to work/school, or where ever. If a topic turns into flames, instead of closing it like you normally would, move it over to the flaming section, let people get over it. If not you got these ppl posting in other threads and being perhaps a bit more harsh that normal, making more people angry.

You can always flame each other in pm, you don't need an audience.
But this doesn't really concern me anymore, so I'm out.
Just giving my two cents.

 

[DoctorGordon]

You can always flame each other in pm, you don't need an audience.
But this doesn't really concern me anymore, so I'm out.
Just giving my two cents.

And the benefit of flaming in pm?

Also, sometimes flaming involves more than 1 person

 

[dkelly]

And the benefit of flaming in pm?

Also, sometimes flaming involves more than 1 person

Well, just to reply to your question.
How is the benefit of flaming in a thread different from flaming someone in a pm? EDIT: Or better still, what's the benefit of flaming at all?

 

[DoctorGordon]

Well, just to reply to your question.
How is the benefit of flaming in a thread different from flaming someone in a pm? EDIT: Or better still, what's the benefit of flaming at all?

I didnt say there was a benefit of flaming in a thread, you suggested PMing though instead of doing so in a thread, i'm asking whats the benefit of that? or is there 1?

[You must not have read my post (up a couple)]

The point of flaming is cause your angry at some, and if you are angry enough, flame them...'vent' your anger. It's like relieving stress...only...anger.

 

[dkelly]

I didnt say there was a benefit of flaming in a thread, you suggested PMing though instead of doing so in a thread, i'm asking whats the benefit of that? or is there 1?

[You must not have read my post (up a couple)]

The point of flaming is cause your angry at some, and if you are angry enough, flame them...'vent' your anger. It's like relieving stress...only...anger.

Okay I must've misunderstood you. When you said that there should be a flaming thread, I thought you meant it would be beneficial. I just assumed so because, well.. why have it if it isn't beneficial in some way? Which you later clarify by saying the benefit is to vent.

But maybe I'm getting you all mixed up? :rolling:

 

[DoctorGordon]

Alright: Example

A lot of people make their first post in their own "Hello" thread. Tell me, how is that not considered mindless blabbing? Where is the thread gonna go? Nowhere, besides a bunch of ppl saying welcome or whatever. With your current way of doing things, it should be closed instantly. I mean come on, "Hello" threads all go the exact same way.

Assuming the newbie comes back, sure they're happy to see they're welcomed, and that makes them happy at some level.

Now, take a normal thread thats gone past 20 pages and is now pointlessly dragging whatever subject, people are still talking away, and that is making them happy at some level i imagine.

 

[OCybrManO]

I didnt say there was a benefit of flaming in a thread, you suggested PMing though instead of doing so in a thread, i'm asking whats the benefit of that? or is there 1?

The point of taking fights to PMs is to save everyone else from having to filter through that crap in an attempt to discuss the topic at hand and to help keep threads from being hijacked by two (or more) people that, for some reason, have a problem with each other.

Civilized people don't start fights in the first place.
Considerate uncivilized people "take it outside."
The average person here starts a bar brawl. :E

Alright: Example

A lot of people make their first post in their own "Hello" thread. Tell me, how is that not considered mindless blabbing? Where is the thread gonna go? Nowhere, besides a bunch of ppl saying welcome or whatever. With your current way of doing things, it should be closed instantly. I mean come on, "Hello" threads all go the exact same way.

Assuming the newbie comes back, sure they're happy to see they're welcomed, and that makes them happy at some level.

Now, take a normal thread thats gone past 20 pages and is now pointlessly dragging whatever subject, people are still talking away, and that is making them happy at some level i imagine.

Newbie Central

 

[dkelly]

Alright: Example

A lot of people make their first post in their own "Hello" thread. Tell me, how is that not considered mindless blabbing? Where is the thread gonna go? Nowhere, besides a bunch of ppl saying welcome or whatever. With your current way of doing things, it should be closed instantly. I mean come on, "Hello" threads all go the exact same way.

Assuming the newbie comes back, sure they're happy to see they're welcomed, and that makes them happy at some level.

Now, take a normal thread thats gone past 20 pages and is now pointlessly dragging whatever subject, people are still talking away, and that is making them happy at some level i imagine.

I see what you're saying.
But those threads are in the off-topic section.
You can babble about whatever you fancy over there, or atleast in the general off-topic section. The mods just like to keep things organized for us.

As far as those dragging threads, to my knowledge those are allowed to continue as long as they stay on topic. But there's no need for 5 or 6 threads saying the same things over and over, atleast in my opinion.

But, maybe one of the mods can better clear this up.
Because like I said before, I haven't been here all that long.
Cheers :cheers:

 

[DoctorGordon]

Okay I must've misunderstood you. When you said that there should be a flaming thread, I thought you meant it would be beneficial. I just assumed so because, well.. why have it if it isn't beneficial in some way? Which you later clarify by saying the benefit is to vent.

But maybe I'm getting you all mixed up? :rolling:

Well, "flaming section" i think is what i said (im too lazy to go back and look). Ok say, a conversation has gone wrong, people are now angry. Instead of closing the thread before people can finish their insulting, move it to the flaming section where it can continue without bothering anyone in the mainstream sections. Basically, freedom of speech, let ppl argue/fight it out, whatever.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

Basically, freedom of speech, let ppl argue/fight it out, whatever.

Yeah to bad this isn't the real world. The owners of this board can close/delete a thread when they want. You have no opinion on this matter, if you or other people don't like it, tough shit, go somewhere else then.

 

[OCybrManO]

Well, "flaming section" i think is what i said (im too lazy to go back and look). Ok say, a conversation has gone wrong, people are now angry. Instead of closing the thread before people can finish their insulting, move it to the flaming section where it can continue without bothering anyone in the mainstream sections. Basically, freedom of speech, let ppl argue/fight it out, whatever.

You can fight all you want... you can get as dirty as you want... but, like in real life, you do it in private or you get punished.

 

[dkelly]

Hey now, he was being very civil, not at first but certainly toward the end. His opinion is just as valid as mine or yours.

Well, "flaming section" i think is what i said (im too lazy to go back and look). Ok say, a conversation has gone wrong, people are now angry. Instead of closing the thread before people can finish their insulting, move it to the flaming section where it can continue without bothering anyone in the mainstream sections. Basically, freedom of speech, let ppl argue/fight it out, whatever.

I just don't see those threads as being productive, people don't really solve anything there.. they just take shots at each other constantly. But that's my opinion.

 

[Icarus]

DoctorGordon, it's simple, these are the rules, they work well, they aren't going to change, free speech doesn't count, these are privately owned boards, if you don't like how they are run go start your own HL2 fansite and run the forums however you see fit.

 

[DoctorGordon]

Simply stunning, i come here with constructive cristism, and you guys go defensive, then do the predictible 'these are our forums, go get your own'. I see weak ownership.

Whatever, close this thread

Or in concordance with my argument, 'naturally' stop talking

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

Simply stunning, i come here with constructive cristism, and you guys go defensive, then do the predictible 'these are our forums, go get your own'. I see weak ownership.

Defensive? Hardly, rules are rules, I thought people would know by that. Weak ownership? Actually without the mods, these forums would be utter shit. Next time you open your mouth think before you say it.

 

[blahblahblah]

Simply stunning, i come here with constructive cristism, and you guys go defensive, then do the predictible 'these are our forums, go get your own'. I see weak ownership.

Whatever, close this thread

Or in concordance with my argument, 'naturally' stop talking

I can easily argue that these boards aren't patrolled enough. I rarely ever step foot in the HL2 Discussion forum because of the amount of repeat threads and flaming that goes on in a consistent basis. Not to mention the amount of Valve bashing that goes on in there. I'm no Valve fanboy, but it gets a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

Not to mention the spamming. I don't know if you were here for this, but take a look at the first and second test threads. They grew to 500 posts big full of spam and then people started to ask what the thread was about since they couldn't be bothered to read 500 posts. Doesn't that seem odd? I think so.

 

[CyberSh33p]

Not to mention the spamming. I don't know if you were here for this, but take a look at the first and second test threads. They grew to 500 posts big full of spam and then people started to ask what the thread was about since they couldn't be bothered to read 500 posts. Doesn't that seem odd? I think so.

odd depending by whose standards, I'd say for the internet veterans, its all too common

 

[DoctorGordon]

Defensive? Hardly, rules are rules, I thought people would know by that. Weak ownership? Actually without the mods, these forums would be utter shit. Next time you open your mouth think before you say it.

Hmm, you dont know what constructive criticism is. People not open to constructive criticism are insecure, and I didnt suggest dumping the mods. Stop assuming stuff with your feeble attempts at using your mind.

 

[Icarus]

There is a difference between constructive criticism and arguing with everyone after they point out flaws in your arguement. Constructive criticism is to show someone how they can improve, this however, would be a step backward, as evidenced by everyone else telling you so. You aren't offering suggestions, you are telling us we should completely change the way we do things, and thats not going to happen. Period.

 

[DoctorGordon]

Yes yes...it’s winded down to me pointing out flaws in the system, then you point out flaws in those flaws, and I put out flaws in the flaws of those flaws, and so on.

You guys dont want to change anything, ok. Majority vote, that makes sense, afterall, its about what the forum members want.

 

[Icarus]

You guys dont want to change anything, ok. Majority vote, that makes sense, afterall, its about what the forum members want.

Wow, exactly our point.

I respect your ability to admit that. Thank you.

 

[Varsity]

You don't realise how neccesary moderation is until you find a board without it.

 

[HumaNoiD]

i dont bother to read all this thread but if you have problems with moderators, come to halflifesource.com or hl2 world. we dont have anal bastards there.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Yes, and your forums are sooooo much better for it......

</sarcasm>

 

[Chris D]

Yes, and your forums are sooooo much better for it......

</sarcasm>

Well it's all about personal preference and opinion. Some people will like those sites and the uncensored feel to it.

We personally don't, and neither do the majority of our members. It seems as though DoctorGordon would be more suited to them though.

I've deleted a couple of posts - some of you took it a bit too far with your hostile views against other sites.

 

[CrazyHarij]

I've deleted a couple of posts - some of you took it a bit too far with your hostile views against other sites.

Is recommending people not to talk negative about other sites "taking it a bit too far"?

 

[The Mullinator]

Is recommending people not to talk negative about other sites "taking it a bit too far"?

Well an outright insult against anyone who is in the community is generally not accepted. It doesn't have to be another community, and besides I would rather not let things get worse by letting anyone from HL2.net take pot shots at another community.

 

[Chris D]

Is recommending people not to talk negative about other sites "taking it a bit too far"?

Everyone's entitled to their own views about the other sites but someone saying "too bad both sites are shit" is a bit over the top.

Anyway, this thread has gone extremely off-topic and I should have closed it ages ago. Just to recap:

We run this forum to the best of our ability where the majority of the users here are happy with the work that we do. If you don't like the way this forum is run, there are others out there that you are free to visit if we're to strict, but sometimes this is at a cost of more flamewars, more questionable content etc. We're not changing the way we've been running things for the last 18 months.

The other point was about me and my moderating methods. The post was high unconstructive and contained no examples of what exactly I'm doing wrong, so therefore I'm not going to change anything. But as always, if any of you are unhappy with the work I'm doing, you can take it up with me directly, or one of the admins: Hot Soup, Munro, Starmonkey or Zerimski.

To the rest of you, thank you for your kind words and continued support.

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