Tibet

[Atomic_Piggy]

China has been running Tibet since the 18th century

And the UK ran Canada, numerous parts of africa, India, Austrailia, New Zealand, Hong Kong and otehr places for centuries. Should we be allowed to have them back?

 

[nurizeko]

I just want the current Chinese regime to ****ing die so baaaad, I mean, you talk about osama Bin laden and Iran and all that and I am not that bothered, or at least emotionally invested, but theres just something about the continued existence of the "communist" regime of China that makes me want to see every last ****ed up party official arrested, tried, and thrown away in prison for the countless crimes its guilty of.

I want to see every last ****ing communist symbol torn down and a new democratic China emerge.

I want to see Tibet free, I want to see Taiwan set free, I want to see the Chinese stop ****ing stepping on its minorities and acting like an Apartheid regime in their homelands, I want to see a bloody China that deserves the position of globally and economically active and invested super power in the modern world, or at least what I think a world leading nation should be...

China's current state offends every single one of my political sensibilities. At least the small dipshit regimes around the world can be blamed on relative poverty and being small insugnificant middle of no-where states run by power hungry wankers taking advantage of the uneducated masses.

But theres something about China....the fact its basically one of the most prominent ancient cultures, having been throughout its history a major world power, equal of ancient Greece and the roman empire.

Its the ying to our European yang, different yet the same.



So yeah, rant over, I just find China's current regime and policies offensive, for some dumb reason.


Love China, hate the ****ing government more then America's. :|


(Joins numbers in airdropping weaponry to the Tibetans)

I think that the violent rioters have caused a lot of people to become unsympathic to the Tibetan cause. It's pretty despicable what some of the rioters have done to ordinary people.

The attacks on the han Chinese did disappoint me, but then, the Chinese regime has been systematically dismantling Tibet and handing it to the Chinese for a long time now, its apartheid, Han Chinese minority comes in, gets all the preferential treatment, the Tibetan majority get sidelined.

I don't approve of the violence, but if your country was invaded by a foreign power and that foreign power started sending a new political and economic elite to rule over your country, treating it like theres even as they marginalize you and your ethnic group, the majority, in your own land, how do you think you or many of your fellow countrymen would react?.

it happened in British India, as numbers would know, the Koreans probably weren't happy with the Japanese rule, it took the English massive effort and occupation to put the Welsh down and completely make them submit to their authority, the Irish, well, everyone knows how the Irish felt about British occupation.


The Chinese say Tibet is part of China. The riots say something else, the riots say its nothing more then an unwarranted and illegitimate occupation of another people and their country, and they don't want them there.

It would help if the Chinese even lived there once, like Kosovo, but it isn't, the Chinese are there because they decided they want it, oh and throwing in some half arsed efforts like "O...Tibet was once technically considered part of a Chinese dynastic empire even though there was essentially little to no Chinese presence and Tibet has been a unique and separate state of its own pretty much since it came into existance".

China is hardly the first country ever to slap its label on a map o another country it had little to no authority over.


Oh what the hell...


FREE TIBET! o/

:imu:

 

[bbson john]

Tibet belongs to China prior to the very first western colonialism. It has been a part of China since Yuan Dynasty(early 14th century); which, by then, the Dynasty was not ruled by Han. And decays ago from now, the Seventeen Point Agreement was made, stating that Chinese Government has sovereignty over Tibet. The agreement was made between Tibet head-leader and Chinese Government in peace. Chinese army has never thrown a single bomb in Tibet on purpose to take over Tibet. It is the agreement that incorporates Tibet into China, not any military force. Therefore, your Offensive-Han Theory is not true.

In addition, please note that China is composed of 56 distinct ethnic groups. China has been an multicultural country, just like every other multicultural country. Tibetan is one of the ethnic groups, Han is another. Just like Maori and European in Australia. In a 56-cultural country, any particular apartheid is bullshit.

The news is just on air. It comes to my dismay that some rabbles were given money. They were bought off to deliberately cause chaos in cities in Tibet. A lot of the rioters are provoking unrest for the money they received, rather than their ideology or political stance. Riot controlled by foreign power is not anything new. In 1956, there was an insurrection in Tibet, funded by American CIA. It was clear that CIA wanted China to break asunder, in the prevention of China growing strong. You must know that, since after WWII, a lot of foreign powers are trying to produce trouble in China on purpose. I believe, there is no exception for the incident in Tibet.

 

[kirovman]

The news is just on air. It comes to my dismay that some rabbles were given money. They were bought off to deliberately cause chaos in cities in Tibet. A lot of the rioters are provoking unrest for the money they received, rather than their ideology or political stance. Riot controlled by foreign power is not anything new. In 1956, there was an insurrection in Tibet, funded by American CIA. It was clear that CIA wanted China to break asunder, in the prevention of China growing strong. You must know that, since after WWII, a lot of foreign powers are trying to produce trouble in China on purpose. I believe, there is no exception for the incident in Tibet.

The 1956-1959 riots were funded by the CIA, yes, but those were different times.
To say the same thing now, I think its just an excuse which ignores the fact that there are a lot of discontent people in Tibet. How could any foreign power organise a large scale protest, in the face of really tight CCP control inside Tibet? I don't understand, I think it would be unmanagable.

The Chinese government always says "Stop thinking in a Cold War mentality", but if they are making these accusations with no evidence, then they are guilty of the same thing themselves.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

The news is just on air. It comes to my dismay that some rabbles were given money. They were bought off to deliberately cause chaos in cities in Tibet. A lot of the rioters are provoking unrest for the money they received, rather than their ideology or political stance. Riot controlled by foreign power is not anything new. In 1956, there was an insurrection in Tibet, funded by American CIA. It was clear that CIA wanted China to break asunder, in the prevention of China growing strong. You must know that, since after WWII, a lot of foreign powers are trying to produce trouble in China on purpose. I believe, there is no exception for the incident in Tibet.

Or maybe they wanted to free a country that doesn't want to be part of an oppresive regime.

 

[bbson john]

To say the same thing now, I think its just an excuse which ignores the fact that there are a lot of discontent people in Tibet. How could any foreign power organise a large scale protest, in the face of really tight CCP control inside Tibet? I don't understand, I think it would be unmanagable.

Once a small group of people start the riot. A lot of people will be persuaded emotionally and joining riot. They will join the riot starters and do thing beyond their logic. So what foreign power (not directed to CIA) has to do is to fund a small group of civilians and monks.

Or maybe they wanted to free a country that doesn't want to be part of an oppresive regime.

Whatever.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Once a small group of people start the riot. A lot of people will be persuaded emotionally and joining riot. They will join the riot starters and do thing beyond their logic. So what foreign power (not directed to CIA) has to do is to fund a small group of civilians and monks.

That's not actually how riots work, a lot of the time.

People don't just go "oh, woo, a riot, let's join in" without having a political reason.

 

[nurizeko]

Tibet belongs to China prior to the very first western colonialism. It has been a part of China since Yuan Dynasty(early 14th century); which, by then, the Dynasty was not ruled by Han. And decays ago from now, the Seventeen Point Agreement was made, stating that Chinese Government has sovereignty over Tibet. The agreement was made between Tibet head-leader and Chinese Government in peace. Chinese army has never thrown a single bomb in Tibet on purpose to take over Tibet. It is the agreement that incorporates Tibet into China, not any military force. Therefore, your Offensive-Han Theory is not true.

In addition, please note that China is composed of 56 distinct ethnic groups. China has been an multicultural country, just like every other multicultural country. Tibetan is one of the ethnic groups, Han is another. Just like Maori and European in Australia. In a 56-cultural country, any particular apartheid is bullshit.

The news is just on air. It comes to my dismay that some rabbles were given money. They were bought off to deliberately cause chaos in cities in Tibet. A lot of the rioters are provoking unrest for the money they received, rather than their ideology or political stance. Riot controlled by foreign power is not anything new. In 1956, there was an insurrection in Tibet, funded by American CIA. It was clear that CIA wanted China to break asunder, in the prevention of China growing strong. You must know that, since after WWII, a lot of foreign powers are trying to produce trouble in China on purpose. I believe, there is no exception for the incident in Tibet.

How could someone write a whole post, in a western website, and yet so completel come across as having simply copy-pasta'd their Party masters party line so thoroughly.

I;m not even goig to begin to pick that apart, because 1) too easy and 2) someone else will do it.

Suffice to say I actually let my jaw drop a little reading that, now I am just amused.

Good show, good show.

 

[bbson john]

That's not actually how riots work, a lot of the time.

People don't just go "oh, woo, a riot, let's join in" without having a political reason.

There were emotionally abetted.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

bbson john, you seriously cannot believe the bullshit the chinese government tells you.

 

[kirovman]

Here's a few interesting articles discussing complaints by Chinese people that Western media coverage over Tibet has been biased. You can see their point.
I've also heard the problem with Western media is not necessarily freedom of speech, but rather reluctance to check facts before publishing, to eliminate misinformation.

http://thechinabeat.blogspot.com/2008/03/taelspin-on-tibet-chinese-response-to.html
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20080326_1.htm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/richardspencer/march2008/tibetbiascutsbothways.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/unblocking_access.html

Also, the English language version of the BBC website seems to be unblocked in China now.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

China has a strong history of unity...or at least wanting to be unified.

I'm staggered that China wasn't completely broken up into dozens of smaller countries centuries ago (like Europe). Amazing that it is more or less one country.

Tibet is going nowhere. It will remain part of China. These violent protests are useless.

 

[kirovman]

You guys are making China cry!
http://chinadaily.com.cn/china/china_brhc_page.html