To Anyone who lives in Britain.

[repiV]

An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified.

And that's the perfect excuse for you to spread your communist and pro-Islamic propaganda without regards to the facts.

 

[DaMaN]

And that's the perfect excuse for you to spread your communist and pro-Islamic propaganda without regards to the facts.

Opinions can be challenged, but they can be neither right nor wrong.

 

[DaMaN]

So everyone's opinion is valid?
In that case, I believe the world is made of cheese and giant mushrooms, and don't you even dare to challenge me on that...

You feel free to challenge other peoples opinions, but you don't want your own challenged?

Opinions can be challenged, but they can be neither right nor wrong.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Oh, wait - nevermind that Kadayaki Polokov initially accused Nemesis of having an agenda of spreading misinformation. Is he the arbiter of reality?

Right, and it never once occured to you that I was being facetious with the "conversion" comment? The first and last thing that came to mind was that I'm a holy crusader out on a mission to convert the infidels? Jesus Christ...

And it never occurred to you that I was being facetious with my "fundamentalist" comment?

Some people take things waaay too seriously.

 

[DaMaN]

And it never occurred to you that I was being facetious with my "fundamentalist" comment?

Some people take things waaay too seriously.

Agreed.

 

[repiV]

Opinions can be challenged, but they can be neither right nor wrong.

Complete and utter bollocks. I'm lost for words as to the lunacy of that statement.

 

[repiV]

And it never occurred to you that I was being facetious with my "fundamentalist" comment?

Some people take things waaay too seriously.

Damn - you got me there.

 

[Kadayi]

The term reality can only ever be applied to what has happened, because what is to come is not a reality, it is only a possibility.

 

[repiV]

The term reality can only ever be applied to what has happened, because what is to come is not a reality, it is only a possibility.

If I let go of a brick, I can tell you for certain that it's going to hit the ground.

 

[Kadayi]

If I let go of a brick, I can tell you for certain that it's going to hit the ground.

Don't mistake probability for certainty.

 

[DaMaN]

Complete and utter bollocks. I'm lost for words as to the lunacy of that statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

An opinion is not a fact.

An opinion is a belief.

Beliefs cannot be wrong, as they are not a fact. (You can believe that the earth is flat as much as you want)

Beliefs can be challenged. (I can say, you believing in the Earth being flat is preposterous)

Thus, opinions can be challenged, but they can be neither right nor wrong.

 

[DaMaN]

If I let go of a brick, I can tell you for certain that it's going to hit the ground.

No you can't. Can you say for certain that the ground will be there when the brick reaches it? No, you can't.

But this is getting into philosophy. In which case, perhaps halflife2.net needs a philosophy board to go along with the politics board.

 

[repiV]

Don't mistake probability for certainty.

No, it will hit the ground. The only way for it not to do so would be for it to somehow go from a freefall descent to breaking the earth's orbit - and I can assure you that would never happen.

 

[repiV]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

An opinion is not a fact.

An opinion is a belief.

Beliefs cannot be wrong, as they are not a fact. (You can believe that the earth is flat as much as you want, but it doesn't make it so)

Beliefs can be challenged. (I can say, you believing in the Earth being flat is preposterous)

You really are mind-bendingly pedantic, aren't you? To put it politely.
Yes, you can say that me believing in the earth being flat is preposterous, rightly so because that belief is rooted in ignorance of the facts and therefore wrong.

 

[DaMaN]

No, it will hit the ground. The only way for it not to do so would be for it to somehow go from a freefall descent to breaking the earth's orbit - and I can assure you that would never happen.

Can you say for certain that the ground will be there when the brick reaches it? No, you can't.

Can you say for certain that someone will catch the brick before it hits the earth? No, you can't. Can you say for certain that there is absolutely positively ZERO chance of some absolutely crazy thing happening (like the universe ceasing to exist or gravity changing direction) that would prevent the brick hitting the earth? Nope.

This is getting into philosophy. In which case, perhaps halflife2.net needs a philosophy board to go along with the politics board.

 

[repiV]

No you can't. Can you say for certain that the ground will be there when the brick reaches it? No, you can't.

But this is getting into philosophy. In which case, perhaps halflife2.net needs a philosophy board to go along with the politics board.

I really don't have time for your evidently ultra-abstract brand of philosophy which gives due consideration to absurd possibilities that are irrelevant and, at any given moment, statistically impossible.
How does that line of thinking accomplish any damn thing?

 

[DaMaN]

I really don't have time for your evidently ultra-abstract brand of philosophy which gives due consideration to absurd possibilities that are irrelevant and, at any given moment, statistically impossible.

Yet you have time for posting on a politics board in a gaming forum.

 

[repiV]

Yet you have time for posting on a politics board in a gaming forum.

Yes, because politics is actually relevant to the real world. Trying to demonstrate that a belief can not technically be right or wrong or questioning the inevitability of basic physics is nothing but a pointless waste of time.

 

[Kadayi]

No, it will hit the ground. The only way for it not to do so would be for it to somehow go from a freefall descent to breaking the earth's orbit - and I can assure you that would never happen.

Oh it's highly probable that it will hit the ground, there is a huge amount of precedent behind it doing so, but there is no certainty within the realm of physics that it actually will do so, as DaMaN rightly points out. Any Physics Professor will say the same.

 

[Kadayi]

But this is getting into philosophy. In which case, perhaps halflife2.net needs a philosophy board to go along with the politics board.

I like that suggestion. Philosophy is good for the soul :cheers:

 

[repiV]

Oh it's highly probable that it will hit the ground, there is a huge amount of precedent behind it doing so, but there is no certainty within the realm of physics that it actually will do so.

If you've designed some kind of super magic brick which can propel itself outside of this planet's gravitational pull, I'd love to see it.

 

[DaMaN]

Yes, because politics is actually relevant to the real world. Trying to demonstrate that a belief can not technically be right or wrong or questioning the inevitability of basic physics is nothing but a pointless waste of time.

Since belief is at the core of every single religion and used in every single opinion, I'd say it has relavence to the real world. Questioning the inevitability of basic physics has brought us special relativity and quantum physics, both of which have aided cell-phones, sattellites, GPS, etc., which have applications in the real world.

Hence, no waste of time.

 

[DaMaN]

If you've designed some kind of super magic brick which can propel itself outside of this planet's gravitational pull, I'd love to see it.

"Basic" Quantum physics: there is a probability, no matter how minute, of all the molecules of your perfectly ordinary brick becomming delocalized and ending up on the other side of the universe. Admitedly the probability is infintesimally small, but even a very small probability means that the event is not certain (or 100% probability).

 

[DaMaN]

You really are mind-bendingly pedantic, aren't you? To put it politely.
Yes, you can say that me believing in the earth being flat is preposterous, rightly so because that belief is rooted in ignorance of the facts and therefore wrong.

Then please show me the facts behind your opinion that "Islam is evil and should be banned from the world" (or whatever it is).

As far as I know, our goal is not to discuss baseless opinions. Most of us want opinions backed by fact or backed by logic that has been backed by fact.

Basically this entire page and previous page was you arguing that someone's opinion is invalid. As I have stated, an opinion cannot be invalid because an opinion is a belief.

IMHO, Christianity is just as lethal as Islam. IMHO, we should just bannish all religions. But that's my OPINION, and it is just as VALID as your OPINION.

 

[repiV]

Since belief is at the core of every single religion and used in every single opinion, I'd say it has relavence to the real world.

If you don't even have the confidence in yourself to assert that some of your beliefs are right, or the conviction to see anyone else as being wrong, I question your value in this world in which our very existence is defined by what people have thought to be right and wrong.
If you are unable to assign validity to beliefs, then you can only exist in a social and moral vacuum.

Questioning the inevitability of basic physics has brought us special relativity and quantum physics, both of which have aided cell-phones, sattellites, GPS, etc., which have applications in the real world.

Hence, no waste of time.

When you find your gravity-defying breakthrough, do let me know.

 

[repiV]

"Basic" Quantum physics: there is a probability, no matter how minute, of all the molecules of your perfectly ordinary brick becomming delocalized and ending up on the other side of the universe. Admitedly the probability is infintesimally small, but even a very small probability means that the event is not certain (or 100% probability).

It's many times more certain than it needs to be.

 

[Kadayi]

If it wasn't for Philosophy, Science wouldn't even have come about. It was only through the questioning of things that our forefathers took it upon themselves to begin to try and understand the nature of reality and of themselves.

 

[DaMaN]

It's many times more certain than it needs to be.

So you mean to say that a probability of
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999%
is more certain than a probability of 100%?

 

[repiV]

Then please show me the facts behind your opinion that "Islam is evil and should be banned from the world" (or whatever it is).

As far as I know, our goal is not to discuss baseless opinions. Most of us want opinions backed by fact or backed by logic that has been backed by fact.

Basically this entire page and previous page was you arguing that someone's opinion is invalid. As I have stated, an opinion cannot be invalid because an opinion is a belief.

IMHO, Christianity is just as lethal as Islam. IMHO, we should just bannish all religions. But that's my OPINION, and it is just as VALID as your OPINION.

Banned from the world? Yes, because as you know I'm such the idealist that I advocate a global ban in a divided world...
What's the point in substantiating any of my opinions to you, if nothing I say will never alter the validity of that opinion? Talk about a waste of time.
According to you, the belief that Iraq had WMD and was an imminent threat to the whole of Western civilisation is equally as valid as any other opinion on Iraq - yet you spend so much time debating that subject...
Really, you're a conundrum of conflicting and irrelevant nonsense.

 

[repiV]

So you mean to say that a probability of
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999%
is more certain than a probability of 100%?

No, I'm saying that it doesn't ****ing matter one little bit.

 

[Kadayi]

It's many times more certain than it needs to be.

Seriously, email Steven Hawking :-

[email protected] <[email protected]>

http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

and see whether he says it's certain the brick will hit the floor.

 

[DaMaN]

Seriously, email Steven Hawking :-

[email protected] <[email protected]>

http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

and see whether he says it's certain the brick will hit the floor.

Excellent suggestion!

 

[DaMaN]

No, I'm saying that it doesn't ****ing matter one little bit.

Ah, but it does!!

It matters
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000001%!

That certainly IS one little bit!

But seriously, email Steven Hawking.

 

[repiV]

Seriously, email Steven Hawking :-

[email protected] <[email protected]>

http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

and see whether he says it's certain the brick will hit the floor.

Why?
Your mental masturbation doesn't change the fact that every solid object ever thrown into the air by any man in the history of humankind has eventually come down again.
Seriously, your ferocity in defending your pointless arguments makes my head bleed. "Oh, but it COULD happen! It never will, but the POSSIBILITY is there..."
So what?

 

[repiV]

Ah, but it does!!

It matters
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000001%!

That certainly IS one little bit!

But seriously, email Steven Hawking.

I bet you're the life and soul of the party...

 

[Solaris]

There's a chance, according to quantam phsyics that the earth will just disapear. Amazigngly small, but a chance.

 

[Ome_Vince]

wtf i come back and there's 4 pages of DaMan-RepiV and Polokov

 

[repiV]

There's a chance, according to quantam phsyics that the earth will just disapear. Amazigngly small, but a chance.

Yeah - but it's the most bloody pointless discussion in the world. It accomplishes absolutely nothing, except maybe to make people feel smart for mastering all the minute, arbitrary technical details of the issue - whilst completely ignoring what actually matters.
If anything, this kind of viewpoint is obstructive to actually getting anything worthwhile done.

 

[Kadayi]

wtf i come back and there's 4 pages of DaMan-RepiV and Polokov

You love it

anyhows and more importantly what's your stance on the brick? Do you believe that the brick will hit the floor beyond doubt? :naughty:

 

[Kadayi]

I'm also wondering if the bricks nationality might have an impact upon it's performance...I mean an Israeli Brick might well stop a Palestinian brick from hitting the floor...