To Anyone who lives in Britain.

they're wrong? how can you possibly make that statement without even acknowledging you have absolutely no way of backing up your claims?
 
Ah, stereotypical Americans. Thinking England is just one huge place. Dublin does not belong to Britain anymore, we gave it back about 80/90 years ago!

To answer your question Cooper, yes it is like this over here in Neverland. There are nowadays two groups of muslims. All fundamentalists just some on a less violent scale than others. I do respect what this man here has said,

"These people, ladies and gentleman, have a good look at them. They actually believe if you kill women and children, you will go to heaven," said one young Muslim who waved his finger at the radicals.

"This is not ideology. It's a mental illness."

This I what I like to see, muslims fighting back against the oppression of so called, "Jihad." May i just note that Jihad is islamic for "Holy War." What muslim extremists are fighting today is not a holy war but a pointless struggle for publicity. It is very easy to spot a muslim extremist. One little mistaken racial comment which is not neccasserily offensive, and they are on the Warpath. I and many law abiding citizens of Britain are, to be frank, sick of this. We label it as "complaining for no bloody good reason!"

It is also true that our government has very diverse opinions on what is tolerated and what is not tolerated in our government.

For example (these are made up by the way but are still fairly accurate if not slightly exaggerated):

Two college students just passed their exams with flying colours. They decide to throw a party. Some old woman rings the council complaining about noise pollution and the troops are ordered in to put a stop to any fun going on in the vicinity.

A known muslim extremist has recently come into the country illegaly. He was well educated in a decent school. He learns of Benefits and decides not to get a job. Instead the government sends him ?120 a week through the mail while, in his spare time he is either ranting about the government or just sitting on his fat arse all day watching TV.

Yes I slightly exagerate them but thats what politics looks like to a British citizen who lives in a city. There was a recent case with a Mr. Abu Hamza, the madman with a hook for a hand who preached hate against the British government in the open streets while the police sat idly by watching him insult our country and everything we stand for. Recently we kicked him back into Afghanistan but he has been pleading to come back to Britain due to medical problems. I can oonly assume and pray that the hatemonger has not returned and before rotting in Afghanistan, he will realise what a good country we were to him before we kicked him out.

I hope someday the conflict between all religious groups and sub-groups will be resolved, because that in sense, is the only way we shall acheive world peace at last.
 
CptStern said:
they're wrong? how can you possibly make that statement without even acknowledging you have absolutely no way of backing up your claims?
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Again your stupid backing up...back up that it would be good then.
If all those people wouldn't believe in God that do now, they would fear of nothing else but the law. I admit that i'd be capable to kill and especially steal then.
 
Walter said:
Again your stupid backing up...back up that it would be good then.
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Burden of proof fallacy. You present a point, so it is your responsibility to back up what you say with evidence.

If all those people wouldn't believe in God that do now, they would fear of nothing else but the law. I admit that i'd be capable to kill and especially steal then.
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You're evil then. You only follow morals because you're God fearing. If God died tomorrow, you'd be a rapist!

Plenty of people don't believe in God, but they don't steal and murder because they respect their fellow human being, and they don't require a deity/magic book to tell them what is right and wrong.
BTW argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
 
Walter, the more you speak, the worse, best to simply "read" the politics section and not make yourself a spectacle by opening your mouth :p
 
Walter said:
Again your stupid backing up...back up that it would be good then.
If all those people wouldn't believe in God that do now, they would fear of nothing else but the law. I admit that i'd be capable to kill and especially steal then.
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so as kirovman pointed out the only thing keeping your from eating babies is a book written by a bunch of guys who may or may not have been making it up as they went? I dont believe a word of anything in the bible ... does that mean I'm more likely to kill/rape/steal? my conscience prevents me from doing things that are wrong ...the only thing keeping you from doing anything wrong is fear ..so in that sense I'm a far better christian (love/compassion/mercy) than you are ..which is disturbing to say the least

oh and if you dont back up what you say what's the use of having any sort of conversation since I can make up shit as I go?


the world is flat

the chicken did indeed come before the egg

the sun revolves around the earth

world war 2 never happened ..in fact Hilter was a much loved opera singer famous for his stirring portrayal of Brunhilde in wagners triumphant The Valkyrie
 
CptStern said:
world war 2 never happened ..in fact Hilter was a much loved opera singer famous for his stirring portrayal of Brunhilde in wagners triumphant The Valkyrie
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Seconded.

No evidence, it's just blindingly obvious.
 
CptStern said:
the world is flat

the chicken did indeed come before the egg

the sun revolves around the earth

world war 2 never happened ..in fact Hilter was a much loved opera singer famous for his stirring portrayal of Brunhilde in wagners triumphant The Valkyrie
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kirovman said:
Seconded.

No evidence, it's just blindingly obvious.
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I knew it!
 
kirovman said:
Burden of proof fallacy. You present a point, so it is your responsibility to back up what you say with evidence.



You're evil then. You only follow morals because you're God fearing. If God died tomorrow, you'd be a rapist!

Plenty of people don't believe in God, but they don't steal and murder because they respect their fellow human being, and they don't require a deity/magic book to tell them what is right and wrong.
BTW argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
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Actually, i build my life on His teachings. So if He'd not exist i'd had a completely different view of life.
 
btw ...I was Brunhilde ..the real Brunhilde ..this is my 17th reincarnation ..last time I was a chinaman ..I'm hoping for jew next time

I met wagner (during my 14th reincarnation) ..nice guy ..had a thing for big german broads named gretchen
 
Walter said:
Actually, i build my life on His teachings. So if He'd not exist i'd had a completely different view of life.
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Indeed. Had you not built your life on God's teachings, you might be able to reason using logic and facts, rather than baseless statements.
 
so as kirovman pointed out the only thing keeping your from eating babies is a book written by a bunch of guys who may or may not have been making it up as they went? I dont believe a word of anything in the bible ... does that mean I'm more likely to kill/rape/steal?
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Well, that's a good question. As for myself, i'm not that much fearing of law than of God. If i'd hold a gun before you and there'd be no God, then i'd have one less thing to think about before deciding either to kill you or not.
 
EDIT: Can't be bothered to get into a religious debate.
 
Walter said:
"I Build" has a bit different meaning than "built".
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You said that you "build your life on His teachings". I'm assuming you weren't born at the exact picosecond you wrote that, so you have some past, and therefore you "have built" your life on "His teachings". Try this if you need further help: http://a4esl.org/q/h/0101/jb-pastpres.html

Or do you live in a universe that was created yesterday?
 
No, i mean that if we see life as a road, that i'm still on the beggining of it.
 
You're evil then. You only follow morals because you're God fearing. If God died tomorrow, you'd be a rapist!
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The thing is God won't die tomorrow or ever, and laws can pretty much do that.
Just imagine if a country would remove the law that forbids killing or stealing. The consequences of it are unpredictable.
 
yes because people would be killing each other willy nilly without the lord's guidance ..give me a break. Why arent atheists killing people in much higher numbers than religious people? why do you never see an abortionist bomber who's atheist? why do you never hear an atheist utter these words after the death of the enemy: "god be praised" or "god willed it"

..it's a insult to the humanity to suggest the only thing keeping us from ripping each others throats out is a fanciful book of stories written by man in an age of ignorance and superstition ..religious people are quite capable of acts of barbarity despite having two deterrents: the law and religious morality/law
 
Why arent atheists killing people in much higher numbers than religious people?
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I have nothing against atheists that have any sense of mentality. The problem is that numbers of such people are decreasing, in my opinion. People simply degrade and become more law dependable than ever before.

why do you never hear an atheist utter these words after the death of the enemy: "god be praised" or "god willed it".
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Wouldn't be so sure. But then again, a true believer would understand that those are blasphemous words, and basically an insult towards God.
Like Bush said that time "God told me to invade Iraq". Would God ever tell anyone to invade a country and slaugther hundred of thousands of people?

..it's a insult to the humanity to suggest the only thing keeping us from ripping each others throats out is a fanciful book of stories written by man in an age of ignorance and superstition
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It's painful for me to see what is humanity capable of once you take the law away.

..religious people are quite capable of acts of barbarity despite having two deterrents: the law and religious morality/law
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They are as much sinners as anyone else. But it's a lot worse for them, when they are aware of the sin they'll make, but willingly do it against God.
 
Whoa, I missed a religious versus secular moralality debate? I will be back...
 
Walter said:
I have nothing against atheists that have any sense of mentality. The problem is that numbers of such people are decreasing, in my opinion. People simply degrade and become more law dependable than ever before.
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Evidence?
Wouldn't be so sure. But then again, a true believer would understand that those are blasphemous words, and basically an insult towards God.
Like Bush said that time "God told me to invade Iraq". Would God ever tell anyone to invade a country and slaugther hundred of thousands of people?
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This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
 
Evidence?
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Hmm...let me think....maybe the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, to start with. Looters, Cops seen discriminating afro-americans while noone was around (caught on video by luck). Have no time at the moment to look for that one, perhaps you should see if it is in youtube or google video, i've only seen it once on the news back then.
People seem to be waiting for such moments when the law cannot reach them.

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
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Yeah, this is when the law "eye for an eye" was applied. But then, it's the old testament you've quoted.

P.S I'll create a Christianity topic later if you've got more questions and are interested to find the answers. Though it won't be in the Politics forum.
 
Walter said:
Hmm...let me think....maybe the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, to start with. Looters, Cops seen discriminating afro-americans while noone was around (caught on video by luck). Have no time at the moment to look for that one, perhaps you should see if it is in youtube or google video, i've only seen it once on the news back then.
People seem to be waiting for such moments when the law cannot reach them.
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Have you ever read any history? At all? Honest question.
 
Because everything you say is based entirely on your opinion rather then facts.
 
I have nothing against atheists that have any sense of mentality. The problem is that numbers of such people are decreasing, in my opinion. People simply degrade and become more law dependable than ever before.
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THIS must be my bad english again?!
 
.....is that everything you've said? I could swear you have at least 250 more posts.
 
Walter said:
Would God ever tell anyone to invade a country and slaugther hundred of thousands of people?
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Yes. Quite apart from the other quote posted, I believe Deuteronomy commands you to put all male prisoners of war to death when you invade places. And to burn any towns where people worship false prophets. That kind of thing.

Deuteronomy 2 (12-15): "Now if the city will not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the Lord your God delivers it into your hands, you shall strike every male in it with the edge of the sword."

Deuteronomy 3 (16-18): "But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God."

Oh dear!

Of course, that's the old testament - which was never the word of God, right?

I can only assume that when Jesus came along he revealed the previous Christians to be a load of mad and blaspheming zealots - I mean, I can't imagine that God would change his mind.

PresumpIf we presume to believe in the Biblical God, then he has either very clearly endorsed (at some point or another) mass slaughter in warfare, or the Old Testament is blasphemous bullshit and large swathes of it 'don't count'.
 
It's quite predictable that you've asked of that, but like i said I'll create a christian debate topic sometime later.
 
lol talk about walking into a minefield ..you'll be cut to ribbons. I'll pray for your soul walter
 
Walter said:
It's quite predictable that you've asked of that, but like i said I'll create a christian debate topic sometime later.
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Naturally it's predictable. It's the sensible response.

I'd rather you want into it right here instead of having us wait around for a promised thread that may or may not appear, if it's all the same to you.

In either case, good luck convincing Mecha that what's in the old testament doesn't count.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Naturally it's predictable. It's the sensible response.

I'd rather you want into it right here instead of having us wait around for a promised thread that may or may not appear, if it's all the same to you.

In either case, good luck convincing Mecha that what's in the old testament doesn't count.
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Sure i'll post it, i have no reason to be silent.
As for Old testament, it's not as it doesn't count in total, just some laws filled their purpose. I'll talk later about it.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Yes. Quite apart from the other quote posted, I believe Deuteronomy commands you to put all male prisoners of war to death when you invade places. And to burn any towns where people worship false prophets. That kind of thing.

Deuteronomy 2 (12-15): "Now if the city will not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the Lord your God delivers it into your hands, you shall strike every male in it with the edge of the sword."

Deuteronomy 3 (16-18): "But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God."

Oh dear!

Of course, that's the old testament - which was never the word of God, right?

I can only assume that when Jesus came along he revealed the previous Christians to be a load of mad and blaspheming zealots - I mean, I can't imagine that God would change his mind.

PresumpIf we presume to believe in the Biblical God, then he has either very clearly endorsed (at some point or another) mass slaughter in warfare, or the Old Testament is blasphemous bullshit and large swathes of it 'don't count'.
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You remind me of a student that opens a book, sees something hard for him to understand but doesn't want to seek an answer. Instead, he wants everyone to run around and do it for him.
And i don't need explained that it's a naturally predictable question, Sulkdodds, thanks. If i said it's predictable, it might be because i've asked that once myself.
 
Walter said:
You remind me of a student that opens a book, sees something hard for him to understand but doesn't want to seek an answer. Instead, he wants everyone to run around and do it for him.
And i don't need explained that it's a naturally predictable question, Sulkdodds, thanks. If i said it's predictable, it might be because i've asked that once myself.
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Fail, try again.

Really, that doesn't address anything and it won't wash here.
 
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