To those who see religion as harmless...

Krynn72 said:
Its the same ****ing thing.

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They're ****ing synonyms. You said exactly what Absinthe thought you said, and you are pretending its not what you said now that you've been proven wrong.
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No. The laws and rules that govern our current society were developed from religion. The idea of a King or Queen stems from the idea that there is a God.

When I refer to "Foundation", I refer to it literally being the rock on which something was built off.

"Basis" means that it wouldn't be the same without it.

Subtle difference but it's there. And swearing won't help.
 
Eejit said:
It's ignored because it was relevant to society over 2000 years ago, not today.
That's not apologetics it's common sense... but I guess it doesn't fit your arguments for Christians (or anyone defending them) to have common sense.
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But who decides what bits are relevent and which bits are irrelevant to society today?
 
Eejit said:
It's ignored because it was relevant to society over 2000 years ago, not today.
That's not apologetics it's common sense... but I guess it doesn't fit your arguments for Christians (or anyone defending them) to have common sense.
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Christians can and do have common sense. Just not when it comes to God.

You say that it's ignored because it's no longer relevant to our time. And yet this doesn't stop abortionist killings. Doesn't stop hatred (and sometimes murder) of homosexuals. Hell, why do we still make a big ****ing deal about the Ten Commandments? Some people actually do take the idea of God seriously, as much as that might surprise you.

"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." ~ Luke 16: 17

Even if the OT was rendered unnecessary for passage into Heaven, it seems that true, better Christians would follow and teach it any way.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." ~ Matthew 5:17

Some people actually want to be good Christians, you know.
 
Absinthe said:
Some people actually want to be good Christians, you know.
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Sure and not everyone's definition of a good Christian is the same as yours, which seems to be "the prejudiced extremeists I can flame easily", allowing you to dismiss the rational majority as "non-true" Christians.

Most thing a good Christian is one who follows Jesus' primary teachings of loving and respecting each other, showing kindness to your fellow man etc.
Jesus was practically a religious humanist...



Just to clarify. I'm an agnostic who sees very little difference between the humanism of most atheists and the Christianity of the moderate majority. I just want people to stop using so much rhetoric, hyperbole and logical fallicies when anything even relating to religion, evolution or biology in general appears on the forums.
 
Eejit said:
Sure and not everyone's definition of a good Christian is the same as yours, which seems to be "the prejudiced extremeists I can flame easily", allowing you to dismiss the rational majority as "non-true" Christians.

Most thing a good Christian is one who follows Jesus' primary teachings of loving and respecting each other, showing kindness to your fellow man etc.
Jesus was practically a religious humanist...
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And yet he is no longer a shining beacon of morality. His humanism falls short of the standard, as a man who encouraged slavery and utter obedience with the threat punishment. I guess beating your servant was just a customary way of showing kindness to your fellow man. Jesus was a major step forward from the Old Testament, no doubt. But he and the New Testament are not without their faults either.

The Bible is the word of God. If you are only following the parts that you like and disregarding the rest, then you are no longer following God's law. If you are not following God's law, you are not a true Christian. Any other definition of one is erroneous.

You make such a big deal about the vast majority of these supposed rational Christians, but I wonder how vast it really is. George Bush won two presidential elections based on fundamentalist support. Apparently one of the biggest factors in deciding the 2004 elections was whether or not gays could get married, and heartland conservative America made their voice clear.

Is it rational to impede or even care what two grown adults do in their own privacy because of an ancient, mythical book you've read? You downplay fundamentalism. It may not be the majority, but it is still both significant and powerful.
 
Psh.

I dont get how some religions defy themselves.

Like "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and then Christians killing in the crusade. Thats why we are disliked among you people.
 
It's called hypocrisy. And it's not the religion as a whole, it's just a small select few. People don't realise it, but it's evident everywhere, even now. It's only noticed more in religion because people don't believe the whole concept behind it, so they find ways to poke holes in it. Entire countries are going to war, even though if you kill just one person in that country, you could be executed. It's all hypocritical. The crusades aren't much worse than the whole Iraq thing. "Oh, phantom missles! ATTACK!"
 
Actually, it's not necessarily hypocrisy. Many Bibles say "Thou shalt not murder" instead of "kill". That changes things entirely. Murder is unlawful killing. The immediate implication is that there are times when killing others is perfectly acceptable to God.

Hence the crusades.
 
Absinthe said:
Actually, it's not necessarily hypocrisy. Many Bibles say "Thou shalt not murder" instead of "kill". That changes things entirely. Murder is unlawful killing. The immediate implication is that there are times when killing others is perfectly acceptable to the Pope.

Hence the crusades.
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Fixed it for you mate.
 
Druckles said:
No. The laws and rules that govern our current society were developed from religion. The idea of a King or Queen stems from the idea that there is a God.

When I refer to "Foundation", I refer to it literally being the rock on which something was built off.

"Basis" means that it wouldn't be the same without it.

Subtle difference but it's there. And swearing won't help.
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No. Now you're going back on your word and making up some incredibly subtle difference between the two words that doesn't actually exist. What you said was wrong. Own up to it.
 
Even if there was no religon, we would find something to fight over.
Hence the Wii South Park episode.
 
Whats wrong with getting rid of one less thing to fight over? :p
 
Everyone just needs to hear the song "god thinks" by Voltaire, such a smack in the face to anyone who claims to know "god"
 
Damn, the next time I want my thread to live forever I'll make it about religion
 
Humanity is too stupid to let them die.
 
Jintor said:
Humanity is too stupid to let them die.
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Why is it so popular now days (and maybe before too) to keep trashing on humanity? "Humans are stupid" "Humans are cancerous parasites" "Human's are ruining the world" "Humans are going to wipe themselves out". Humans are humans, we've evolved to adapt and survive. Natural Selection doesn't breed suicidal species. The Earth can't be hurt my humans. We aren't breaking nature or existing external from it. You should just leave it at saying "I am stupid" and leave the rest of us into it.
 
Dan said:
Why is it so popular now days (and maybe before too) to keep trashing on humanity? "Humans are stupid" "Humans are cancerous parasites" "Human's are ruining the world" "Humans are going to wipe themselves out". Humans are humans, we've evolved to adapt and survive. Natural Selection doesn't breed suicidal species. The Earth can't be hurt my humans. We aren't breaking nature or existing external from it. You should just leave it at saying "I am stupid" and leave the rest of us into it.
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Agreed.
 
Cheomesh said:
Do you think those with the religions you're trying to eradicate are going to take it in the ass so easily?
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We are not trying to eradicate religion.

Well, maybe we are. But that's a very strong word to use. We aren't trying to stamp out faith, you know. My personal ideal is that people come to abandon faith on their own, not have it forced out of them. And before anybody wants to make a cutesy, dumb**** remark - No. Criticizing religion is not the same as trying to force atheism on you.

If criticism is too much for the faithful to handle, to the point where violence is possible, then we are not making one more thing to fight over. The fault still lies with religion.
 
Dan said:
You should just leave it at saying "I am stupid" and leave the rest of us into it.
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Grammar +1.

Did I say humanity was destroying the earth? Did I say they were cancerous parasites? All I said was that humanity was stupid. You assumed I meant all that shit. What I meant was that once humanity picks something up, it very very rarely drops it again. Religion is one of those things the monkey has never let go. And that, my friend, is stupid.

On the other hand, I could follow your suggestion. No, wait, that would be stupid.
 
Why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends...
 
It's because I HATE YOUR GUTS!

/me guts Azner and makes a run for it.
 
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Can we be friends now that my guts are gone?
 
Dan said:
Why is it so popular now days (and maybe before too) to keep trashing on humanity? "Humans are stupid" "Humans are cancerous parasites" "Human's are ruining the world" "Humans are going to wipe themselves out". Humans are humans, we've evolved to adapt and survive. Natural Selection doesn't breed suicidal species. The Earth can't be hurt my humans. We aren't breaking nature or existing external from it. You should just leave it at saying "I am stupid" and leave the rest of us into it.
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I love it when people talk crap about natural selection as if it determines what a civilisations can or cannot do. It's as if Natural Selection is an all-powerful God :p

We evolved to adapt and survive. Then we became sentient and started to radically change our environments as well.
 
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