Toronto Boxing Day Shooting

[RakuraiTenjin]

You can't have a Tec9. You can't have automatic weapons. It's illegal.

I disagree, I think any weapon that isn't specifically for hunting should be illegallized. If you must "protect" yourself, buy a rifle. Woo.

You can have automatic weapons but you need a Class III license for them, and that's fairly expensive and time consuming. Usually people who have a Class III weapon use it for profit though so it works out alright. (They'll rent out machine guns at range meets, etc.)

I'm scared that I might get robbed or my house may get broken into, by someone that may or may not have a gun. I want to protect myself, so I'm going to move to America, the land of the free, where we can all have constitutional rights to carry all sorts of excessive weapons.

BUT- I'm a bad shot. I might miss the evil person, even with my powerfull handguns etc, or worse- my bad aim could kill the neighbors kid. My gun might go off in my pocket when I'm on the bus, and kill some kid,- but I know his parent's would understand and still support my right to defend myself, so that's OK.

Etc.

You shouldn't own a weapon unless you know how to use it responsibly. You also wouldn't get a concealed carry permit without such knowledge. Thus the example you gave wouldn't happen because someone that dumb wouldn't be able to legally carry with them on the bus 'in their pocket.' (which is a bad idea as well I might add. You really shouldn't put guns in your pocket.)

"Defending" your home. Ugh, you make it sound like the US is some sort of war zone.

It's easy to say that unless you've had to do it in the past.

 

[Yuri]

You can have automatic weapons but you need a Class III license for them, and that's fairly expensive and time consuming. Usually people who have a Class III weapon use it for profit though so it works out alright. (They'll rent out machine guns at range meets, etc.)

Don't you need a reasonable excuse to get that Class III whatever thing? Like be a part of a firing range or something like that?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Don't you need a reasonable excuse to get that Class III whatever thing? Like be a part of a firing range or something like that?

21 years of age, money, a store is necessary.

To become a registered owner of NFA weapons, a complete FBI background investigation is done, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, and sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity" and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." Because the transfer tax for one NFA weapon is just as high as the cost of a Class III dealer's license, most machinegun enthusiasts opt for the dealer's license also, if they want to buy more than one NFA weapon. Class III FFL (Federal Firearms License) is good for three years, and a renewal fee of $90 must continue to be paid in order to maintain the license, every three years. The license fee to be a dealer in "destructive devices" (tanks, artillery, and bombs, for example) is considerably steeper, at $1,000 a year. Even with a dealer's license, the transfer taxes must still be paid, but some of the paperwork involved in the transfer is reduced, such as for the background investigation. Since 1986, no new machineguns have been available to Class III licensed civilians, despite an unblemished record of lawful civilian ownership of these guns.

I believe in part that's also due to them not being sold out simply because they're still active use and the military doesn't want the market being used by a competing power to arm themselves with m249's. M60's should be just as satisfying, though.




-Since 1934, only one legally owned machinegun (of some 100,000+) has ever been used in crime, and that was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer. On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, OH police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 cal. submachinegun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machineguns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

 

[Shasta]

The problem is, I'm sure that in America someone with enough money and a good lawyer could win an arguement in court that "stopping someone from owning a nuclear weapon is an infringement of their constitutional rights". And once they have passed all the tests and FBI background investigations and such, and got their prize- some bastard will go into their home, kill them, and take their nuke.

 

[Razor]

The problem is, I'm sure that in America someone with enough money and a good lawyer could win an arguement in court that "stopping someone from owning a nuclear weapon is an infringement of their constitutional rights". And once they have passed all the tests and FBI background investigations and such, and got their prize- some bastard will go into their home, kill them, and take their nuke.

How would you defend your home with a nuclear weapon, pick it up and chuck it at them or just set it off?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The problem is, I'm sure that in America someone with enough money and a good lawyer could win an arguement in court that "stopping someone from owning a nuclear weapon is an infringement of their constitutional rights". And once they have passed all the tests and FBI background investigations and such, and got their prize- some bastard will go into their home, kill them, and take their nuke.

I'm sure laws regarding smaller components of that not really even dealing with weaponry, IE: radioactive materials, completely blow that scenerio out of the water.