UN: Israel violating international law

Nemesis6 said:
That's one of the reasons I think Islamists are using the U.N as a tool.
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Dude, everyone is using the UN as a tool. In fact, I'm using them to help finish my basement, but they are proving kind of irrelevant...:dozey:
 
Well, Stern, what I mean is that Islamist countries are always the ones pushing the anti-Israel resolutions in the U.N. There was this resolution a few months ago that was, and I quote "spearheaded by Islamic countries" that wanted the U.N to investigate human rights abuses by Israel. This should be done with every country, not just Israel.
 
but on the other hand, Nemesis6, Israel tends to abuse human rights more than most other countries, so an investigation in Israel is more relevant right now than an investigation in any other country..

and btw, anti-Israel resolutions ftw! Israel shouldn't even be allowed to exist, imo :)
 
Funny how certain people understand so little about the world. Like this dude ^^
 
Nemesis6 said:
Well, Stern, what I mean is that Islamist countries are always the ones pushing the anti-Israel resolutions in the U.N.
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ummm could it be because they're the ones with legitimate grievances? no that couldnt be it, right? it must be a muslim conspiracy

Nemesis6 said:
There was this resolution a few months ago that was, and I quote "spearheaded by Islamic countries" that wanted the U.N to investigate human rights abuses by Israel. This should be done with every country, not just Israel.
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why? please explain to me why isreal should be exempt just because other countries do it? should they be passed over? or does their race/creed/ethnicity prevent them from being judged?
 
I just stated the reason: Israel is the only Middle-Eastern country being subjected to these things this heavily. The U.N doesn't care about the Middle-East, it just wants to condemn Israel, because as always, we Europeans like to think we know better than everyone else and that we can see things from a better perspective. The U.N is the proof of that. Only problem is, the U.N takes every chance it can get to condemn Israel, so... Hmmm...
 
Nemesis6 said:
I just stated the reason: Israel is the only Middle-Eastern country being subjected to these things this heavily. The U.N doesn't care about the Middle-East, it just wants to condemn Israel, because as always, we Europeans like to think we know better than everyone else and that we can see things from a better perspective. The U.N is the proof of that. Only problem is, the U.N takes every chance it can get to condemn Israel, so... Hmmm...
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yes because all 98 of these are nothing more than trumped up lies
 
Nemesis6 said:
I can understand why people like Varg think as they do, given that this is what Swedish media spews out - http://www.honestreporting.com/images/swedish.cartoon2.jpg
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Do you even know what that means? And can you provide evidence to show that it comes from a mainstream swedish news organisation and not just some random cartoonist with an agenda?

HOLY SHIT THIS CARTOON HAS AN ORTHODOX JEW IN IT THEREFORE EVERYBODY IN SWEDEN WANTS TO NUKE ISRAEL D: D: D: D:
 
That post was aimed at Varg, and you don't speak Swedish or understand Swedish as far as I know, so shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Nemesis6 said:
That post was aimed at Varg, and you don't speak Swedish or understand Swedish as far as I know, so shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.
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If you speak Swedish and can tell me exactly what is in that cartoon (as well as provide evidence to prove that anti-semitism is widespread in the Swedish media as you implied) then I will gladly apologise and 'shut up'.
 
No i dont think Israel is breaching any laws. They have a war to fight. If anyone is breaking the law its Syria/Iran & Hezbollah.

BTW i'd like to know this UN resolution BS is all nonsense, why implement them when no-1 gives 2 shits about them & follows it. Its just the political correctness crowd & do-gooders in the Country splashes propogander about what is not even happening, GET A LIFE
 
Saketi said:
No i dont think Israel is breaching any laws. They have a war to fight. If anyone is breaking the law its Syria/Iran & Hezbollah.

BTW i'd like to know this UN resolution BS is all nonsense, why implement them when no-1 gives 2 shits about them & follows it. Its just the political correctness crowd & do-gooders in the Country splashes propogander about what is not even happening, GET A LIFE
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that made no sense whatsoever



here read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter


,this

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/genevacc.htm


and this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law


and get back to me ..till then your opinion is based on nothing more than gut instinct
 
Just got a interesting StratFor email:

Special Report: Israel at Odds With Itself

The situation in Israel tonight has become extremely confused, verging on the chaotic. Government ministers, like the foreign minister and prime minister, are publicly feuding. The government is saying that the assault into Lebanon will definitely be rolling tonight while it has simultaneously implied that it intends to accept the cease-fire resolution. Leaders of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are demanding to be unleashed while leaks from some government members hint that they have no confidence in the military. The media has now surged into the battle with highly contentious columns and editorials.

There is a saying in Israel: "When the cannon roar, we fall silent." It means that, while there is a war on, politics -- and even public controversy -- are impermissible. That rule has clearly collapsed. Controversy has raged inside the government and military during wars, and some of it has been savage. But this combination of contradictory signals from the government and increasingly open battling is fairly unprecedented. The closest Israel has come to this was in 1967, between the time Egypt imposed a blockade on Israel's port of Eilat and the time Israel launched its attack on Egypt. We would judge this as worse.

There appear to be two basic and competing schools of thought. One argues that Israel cannot defeat Hezbollah without incurring unacceptable losses and re-occupying parts of Lebanon, thereby winding up in a counterinsurgency situation. The other school of thought argues that the price of accepting a cease-fire that leaves Hezbollah intact is much higher than the cost of war.

The interesting thing is that Olmert himself seems to embody both views. On the one hand he is saying that the offensive is on while at the same time asserting that he is inclined to accept the cease-fire. In some ways, either position would be more comforting to Israelis than the apparent vacillation. There had been a belief that Olmert was using this as psychological warfare against Hezbollah, but the view is now spreading that it is doing more damage to the Israeli psyche than to Hezbollah's.

The cease-fire that appears to be on the table is rather extraordinary. It lacks a timetable and turns over the problem of disarming Hezbollah to the Lebanese government, which probably has neither the means nor the appetite for the job. In the unlikely event that this is achieved, French forces would then join the existing U.N. force. They would have the authority to actively suppress any breaches of the cease-fire. The argument against the cease-fire is obvious from the Israeli point of view. Olmert's view might be that accepting it means nothing since it has no time limit and the disarming of Hezbollah won't happen. Therefore, it allows Israel to accept the cease-fire without halting operations.

Hezbollah has certainly achieved an extraordinary degree of success. It has fought IDF to a draw, with the Israelis clearly being concerned about the price of going up against it. It has also created an unprecedented political crisis in Israel, while its own base remains firm. Hezbollah's strategy has worked thus far, establishing it as the most effective force ever to confront the Israelis.

The pressure on Olmert from IDF is intense. But it is also intense politically. Benyamin Netanyahu, leader of Likud, has remained virtually silent, holding off criticizing the government. He has even restrained some of his colleagues. Clearly, he does not want to destabilize the government now. Yet, at the same time, his relative steadfastness while the government tries to sort things out remains odd.

In looking at Israeli behavior -- which has become the most interesting and perplexing aspect of this conflict -- we are struck by an oddity. The Israeli leadership seems genuinely concerned about something, and it is not clear what it is. Obviously, the government doesn't want to take casualties, but this is not a political problem. The Israeli public can deal with high casualties as long as the mission -- in this case the dismantling of Hezbollah's capabilities -- is accomplished. The normal pattern of Israeli behavior is to be increasingly aggressive rather than restrained, and the government is supported.

When a government becomes uncertain, it normally reverts to established patterns. We would have expected a major invasion weeks ago, and we did expect it. Something is holding the Israelis back and it is not simply fear of casualties. The increasing confusion and even paralysis of the Israeli government could be explained simply by division and poor leadership. But we increasingly have the feeling that there is an aspect to Israeli thinking that we do not understand, some concern that is not apparent that is holding them back from doing what they would normally do.

Hezbollah has fought well, but it is hard to believe that the Israelis can't defeat them or that Israel can't take casualties. (Interestingly enough, Iran and Hezbollah, who are aiming for an imminent cease-fire to claim victory in this conflict, have remained silent while the discussion of a coming cease-fire intensifies.) As the pressure to act mounts and Israel doesn't act, the question of what is restraining them becomes increasingly important. We can't speculate on what their concern might be, because we don't know it. However, Olmert is acting as if he doesn't want to become too aggressive, and the reasoning is unclear.

When dawn comes over Lebanon, we might well find Israeli troops attacking in their traditional fashion, and the entire debate in Israel tonight will be of little importance. Then the question will be whether Hezbollah can continue to resist. However, while there are those who would argue that Israel's inability to decide clearly on a path is simply cover for action, our view is that the situation has gone well beyond that. Hezbollah is not being rattled at all. The Israelis are.
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Saketi said:
Read this, its has various other peoples views on the damn 'international law' crap..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207166,00.html
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:LOL: you're kidding right? please tell me you're kidding because if you're not you should probably refrain from posting in the politics forum ..did you even read the transcript from your own link? it's from the BILL O REILLY SHOW (OMG isnt Oreilly just the most balanced "journalist" you've ever seen?) guest hosted by this "journalist":



Wiki said:
John Richard Kasich (born May 13, 1952, McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania) is a former U.S. Republican Representative turned television show host for FOX News Channel in the United States. He hosts Heartland with John Kasich, and also guest hosts The O'Reilly Factor, filling in for Bill O'Reilly when necessary. He graduated from The Ohio State University in 1974 with a B.A. in political science. He was a member of Alpha Sigma Phi Fraternity
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please point out his journalism credentials, please point out his sources (oh shit he has none, big surprise)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich


now go back and READ the links I posted, I read your idiotic link, return the favour and read the charters/international law I posted
 
i always read ur idiotic sentences, and enough is enough, ur a Hypocrite!
 
Saketi said:
i always read ur idiotic sentences, and enough is enough, ur a Hypocrite!
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well then it should be easy to pick out where I'm being hypocritical, post away, post-haste-if-you-will, chop-chop!!!
 
thank you, i'd also like to point out that your(cpt. stern) not very fond of bill O reily and seem to attack him before what he says and to my knowledge thats the ad hominem fallacy. saketi your doing the same thing calling cpt.stern a hypocrite
 
not really ..O Reilly wasnt the person in question but rather John Kasich, and all I mentioned was that he isnt exactly an impartial journalist delivering the news
 
your still attacking him not what he says so please dont talk about crudentials and explain to me why the link is idiotic and i repeat dont shoot the messenger
 
Targetting civilians = war crime.

UN = Useless

War = Continues.

People = Happy.
 
VictimOfScience said:
Ugh, and if it weren't for Britain, there would be no Middle East as we know it. Damn!
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If many nations stopped shoving their oars into others business then there may be less in the way of long term reprecussions. This is never going to happen though.
 
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