Uncooperative Woman Tazed

I know. I mean, getting tazed would blow, and be painful, but the dumb bitch was asking for it.
 
The_Monkey said:
You mean except for the maltreatment? He used far too much violence, he could've just grabbed her arm. If that happened here he would've ended up spending years in prison.
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I bow down, and thank God, that I don't live "there."

Situation:

Pulled over car with various problems. (No license plate, provoked license, etc etc)

Action: Walk up to car, ask driver to get out. See reaction.

Driver: Ignores me, continues talking on phone.

Action: I open the door, and ask them to step out of the vehicle.

Driver: Doesn't respond, or obey action.

Action: I ask driver to step out of vehicle again, this time informing them that if they do not comply, I will remove them from the vehicle.

Driver: Doesn't comply.

Action: I throw their ass out of the god damn car.

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Same situation with tazer:

Same as above, except I taze them.

It's simple folks. You are not above the law. The law is there to protect everyone, no god damn exceptions. If a cop asks me to get out of my car, I'm going to get out of my damn car.
 
DeusExMachinia said:
I understand what your saying, but tazering a woman for speeding?
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But that’s just it, she wasn’t tazered for a traffic offence she was tazered for not doing what she was damn well told. He wanted her out of the car, she refused. Although I wouldn’t say that she deserved to have pain inflicted on her, she just did not leave the officer any other choice. He had to use force, she made it clear that words were not going to get her to comply. His only other choice was to leave her alone and send out a message, give cops grief and you can get away with minor traffic offences. Pepper spray and clubs can cause far more pain and damage than a tazer and until they invent some kind of super snoozy spray that gently sends someone to sleep, a cop in this situation will have no choice but to use one of them.

As for the way she acted, it reminds me of the way young children act. They get really stubborn as if they think the whole thing will just pass as long as they don’t cave. Then when the parent has tried everything and they resort to a little light smacking (nothing abusive or illegal obviously) they cry, first out of the shock of being smacked, then they continue to do it to gain sympathy. Then when they realise how stupid and fake their crying sounds, they can’t stop because they’re in too deep, and to just stop abruptly would be an admission of how stupid they are being.
 
Finally, someone who understands how the mind of a child (roughly) works. :)
 
Just for good measure they should a kicked her face when she was on the ground!
 
PickledGecko said:
He had to use force, she made it clear that words were not going to get her to comply. His only other choice was to leave her alone and send out a message, give cops grief and you can get away with minor traffic offences. Pepper spray and clubs can cause far more pain and damage than a tazer and until they invent some kind of super snoozy spray that gently sends someone to sleep, a cop in this situation will have no choice but to use one of them.
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You're absolutely right :) It seems... pretty harsh to tase her twice for simply not getting out of a car, though. It's not like it inflicted lasting damage, I guess.
 
I'd rather be tasered than peeper sprayed, battoned, or mag-lighted.
 
MarcoPollo said:
I'd rather be tasered than peeper sprayed, battoned, or mag-lighted.
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Mag-lighted...?
Do they hit people with flashlights now?
 
SimonomiS said:
Mag-lighted...?
Do they hit people with flashlights now?
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Yeh, those things hurt like a bitch, when me and my friends play airsoft, a lot of our injuries are caused by them. Yes, they flashlight people. Especialy in LA the CHP (California Highway patrol) always have them.
 
MarcoPollo said:
Yeh, those things hurt like a bitch, when me and my friends play airsoft, a lot of our injuries are caused by them. Yes, they flashlight people. Especialy in LA the CHP (California Highway patrol) always have them.
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What, you throw maglites at eachother? How do you use maglites in airsoft? :O
 
He was trying to arrest her. She wasn't tasered "for speeding." She was ordered out of the car to be arrested (Suspended license) and she refused.
 
She had every bit of that comming ot here. That will teach her to disobey a police officer.
 
I can't believe how many people here thought it was completely okay for the cop to do that. Are you ****ing nuts? The thing i find most offensive is the ones who find it okay here, are mostly Americans.

IT'S YOUR ****ING COUNTRY!

If you look at the timer of the camara, you'll see he dosent even spend 1 minute on peacefully getting her out of the car. The woman was no element of danger to him, nor his co-worker. And yet he chose to taze her twice. I really can't comprehend how the Americans here think it's okay to use that sort of violence on civillians.
 
gh0st said:
God I cant believe people ALWAYS take the side of the idiot. I bet if it was a huge fatass white trash bitch you all would be on the side of the police. But nooo! This is ethnic regression! That white officer is punishing that black motorist - because shes black!! Its so ingrained into your subconscious that you cant even help it. Youre all seduced by her temper tantrum. I theorize that everybody who sympathizes with this woman grow up to raise irresponsible, brat children who need to be tazed themselves. oh! Little timmy wants a cookie, I better give in to him or else he will wail some more. This spoiled bitch got exactly what she deserved - 50k volts right to the boobie. I would have tazed her until she shut up.
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You are a ****ing looney racist.

Sorry for the double post people.
 
SupremePain said:
I can't believe how many people here thought it was completely okay for the cop to do that. Are you ****ing nuts? The thing i find most offensive is the ones who find it okay here, are mostly Americans.

IT'S YOUR ****ING COUNTRY!

If you look at the timer of the camara, you'll see he dosent even spend 1 minute on peacefully getting her out of the car. The woman was no element of danger to him, nor his co-worker. And yet he chose to taze her twice. I really can't comprehend how the Americans here think it's okay to use that sort of violence on civillians.
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She might have had a gun. :|
 
Hey, she might have.

But tasering her twice? That's just... stupid... especially when she faced no threat. No real threat.
 
gh0st said:
God I cant believe people ALWAYS take the side of the idiot. I bet if it was a huge fatass white trash bitch you all would be on the side of the police. But nooo! This is ethnic regression! That white officer is punishing that black motorist - because shes black!! Its so ingrained into your subconscious that you cant even help it. Youre all seduced by her temper tantrum. I theorize that everybody who sympathizes with this woman grow up to raise irresponsible, brat children who need to be tazed themselves. oh! Little timmy wants a cookie, I better give in to him or else he will wail some more. This spoiled bitch got exactly what she deserved - 50k volts right to the boobie. I would have tazed her until she shut up.
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You're... weird. No-one's actively taking the side of the whiny black women. We're just thinking that maybe tasing her twice was a little OTT is all.
 
SupremePain said:
ROFL, You're joking right?
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its better to taze someone then waiting for someone to pull a gun you never know if a person has a gun or not.


you have to be a really dumb Police Officer to say "meh she doesnt have a gun so Il be nice to her"


everyone could have a gun even.......UR GRANDMA :O
 
He was a shitty policeman. There was no need to taze her twice like that, she was hardly a problem. I'd hate to see his kids, if he thinks that was in any way appropriate at all. He's just a thug.

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On a different note, I keep reading this as "Uncooperative Women Thread" and wonder who posted it.
 
No need to be stupid, a P.O ask you to leave the car, just ****ing leave......He is the law.
 
its just the fact that in the USA, gun crime is a huge problem, and police officers do put their lives on the line far more than say a police officer in this country (the UK) does.

I feel it was appropriate use of force bearing in mind it was in the US, but would have been innappropriate here in the UK.

But then that says something about US gun culture doesnt it....I know where I would rather live anyway.
 
If only the critics of the police would become police officers and music critics would start their own bands and politician critics would run for office the world would be a better place.




Not.
 
Gorgon said:
He is the law.
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Wrong. This is a misconception. He is there to maintain the law, not to be the law. There was no need to taze her at all. "She could have a gun" is not valid. Using that logic, she could have a bomb strapped to the underside of her vehicle. Surely a bomb squad should be called in, too!
 
Lemonking said:
everyone could have a gun even.......UR GRANDMA :O
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That seems to be the line of thought for many Americans. And the way those people choose to coop with it, is buying a gun for them selves and end up shooting someone.

Did anyone ever consider that she might NOT have a gun?
 
SupremePain said:
That seems to be the line of thought for many Americans. And the way those people choose to coop with it, is buying a gun for them selves and end up shooting someone.

Did anyone ever consider that she might NOT have a gun?
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Rules of Law Enforcement:

1. Every suspect has a gun and is dangerous
2. Your goal is to bring down the suspect without getting hurt.
3. Every suspect's gun is pointing at you.
4. You don't follow these, you get shot.

I don't know about you guys, but it should be that way.
 
15357 said:
Rules of Law Enforcement:

1. Every suspect has a gun and is dangerous
2. Your goal is to bring down the suspect without getting hurt.
3. Every suspect's gun is pointing at you.
4. You don't follow these, you get shot.
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You judge the situation and act accordingly. The role of police is not to 'bring down the suspect' is most situations.
 
SupremePain said:
I can't believe how many people here thought it was completely okay for the cop to do that. Are you ****ing nuts? The thing i find most offensive is the ones who find it okay here, are mostly Americans.

IT'S YOUR ****ING COUNTRY!

If you look at the timer of the camara, you'll see he dosent even spend 1 minute on peacefully getting her out of the car. The woman was no element of danger to him, nor his co-worker. And yet he chose to taze her twice. I really can't comprehend how the Americans here think it's okay to use that sort of violence on civillians.
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How the hell can you be sure she couldn't be dangerous? Suspended license, refusing to cooperate, hostile behavior.

How can you get it through your thick head that officers have been shot dead in less than a minute of a traffic stop before? If that woman had shot this cop, would you have just considered it another statistic? You guys don't understand that these situations can escalate wildly out of control very rapidly. This isn't some damn european country where cops don't get murdered over simple ****ing traffic tickets. God damn man, use your brain.


EDIT: and to let me repeat... since none of you seemed to have read any of these.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnew...55_20040227.htm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...1149EST0053.DTL

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/ccti.../printstory.jsp

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/11/...nk.shooting.ap/

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/2270573/detail.html

http://www.cherokeecocrimecommission.org/boiling.html

http://www.detnews.com/2002/metro/0.../a01-415298.htm

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/04...fficershot.html


There are HUNDREDS of more cases just like this, where shootouts ensued shortly after a cop pulled over a civilian in a 'routine' traffic stop.


The attacker shot the officer in the neck about 5 p.m. Friday and then fled in the officer's police car, which was found abandoned a short time later, police said. The suspected killer was tracked to a nearby home where he surrendered after five hours of negotiations.

The shooting occurred in a parking lot outside a Navy Federal Credit Union building. The officer had pulled his patrol car in behind his attacker in front of a large crowd of people headed to the credit union on what was a military payday in the San Diego area.

"He went up and made contact with the driver," Heering said. "I don't know what was said. Within seconds, the officer was shot."
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Within seconds... the officer was shot in the neck.
 
While probably a little bit on the cautious side in this case, I'm not going to be one to question a cop's intuition and judgement in using a nonlethal weapon against a hostile adult. She got a hell of a shock that she might have escaped otherwise, but all said and done nobody's dead and nothing all that horrible happened.
 
i'm sure i heard something about how the police have to get tazed (is that a word?) so they know what they are doing to people when they use it.
 
like i said before - this is ok in the US because cops there really are in danger when they pull over vehicles - the amount of times cops get shot in the US, for pulling over suspicious drivers its not even funny.

in the UK this wouldnt be acceptable simply because we dont have the kind of gun crime you guys have, and thus the risks to cops over here of getting killed in the line of duty are less.

so im not judging this cop - he did what he thought was right and at the end of the day nobody was seriously hurt so that is that.

what i do take exception with is the general gun culture in the US - its not as nice to live in a country where cops get shot so much more often. If these criminals have no qualms about shooting cops, they certainly wouldnt have any about shooting you or I. and thats a sad situation to be living with.

god bless the UK :)
 
Just do a google search... you will find traffic stops in the united states are seriously deadly buisness for police officers, and they treat it as such. If you're going to be HOSTILE to the officer, and resist arrest, be warned because he has a duty to protect himself, and the civilian, even if that means using lawful means of tasering the civilian after warning them NUMEROUS times to step out of a vehicle or they will be tasered.

Some of you think traffic stops are casual affairs, and to be treated lightly. Well maybe in your violence free european countries, but not in the states. You're all always raving about how dangerous the states are, but its funny how you dont even consider it in situations like this.
 
I'd like to point out that even in the States you have to consider the area in which it's occurring. I know around here this would be considered excessive force, but gun crime isn't the massive problem here it is some places.
 
It didn't even have to be a gun, she could have bit him, or hit him like she did the other guy. Why put yourself at risk when there is no need to and a very easy and safe alternative?
 
In 1999, over half of all officer, line-of-duty deaths are related to traffic incidences. In addition, when the use of weapons at the traffic stop are added, the percentage of traffic related deaths is over 55 percent(Note this means the suspect's weapons, even though suspects have killed officers with their own weapons before).

Officers are trained to place a great deal of emphasis on their safety and to take a defensive posture during the stop until the risk of confrontation or injury is diminished.
 
Raziaar if you read my post im agreeing with you - Cops are far more at risk in the US. What im saying is not right is a more general point about the level of gun crime in your country - its a serious problem that needs to be dealt with.
 
Cons Himself said:
Raziaar if you read my post im agreeing with you - Cops are far more at risk in the US. What im saying is not right is a more general point about the level of gun crime in your country - its a serious problem that needs to be dealt with.
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My thing wasn't in response to yours... just me still ranting hoping to sway the point of view of non americans who think americas streets are full of happy go lucky people who aren't eager to blow off the heads off police officers. Thankfully, most people are lawful, but this is the united states we're talking about here... there are more dead officers per year than the total number of shooting incidents you might find in multiple countries in europe combined.
 
Raziaar said:
How the hell can you be sure she couldn't be dangerous? Suspended license, refusing to cooperate, hostile behavior.

How can you get it through your thick head that officers have been shot dead in less than a minute of a traffic stop before? If that woman had shot this cop, would you have just considered it another statistic? You guys don't understand that these situations can escalate wildly out of control very rapidly. This isn't some damn european country where cops don't get murdered over simple ****ing traffic tickets. God damn man, use your brain.
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Yes, we all know that 22 year old women, driving a SUV will have a ****ing 12 gauge shotgun hidden under her passenger seat. You can't just generalize a subject of this matter, and you cannot deny that in this incident the officer used unnecessary force.

And I sure as hell never said the risk of getting shot as a cop was not bigger in America.

and by the way dude, stop trying to make this personal, be mature about it.
 
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