(US) cops shoot unarmed protestors

[15357]

There's no difference, except that the protesters hide behind the loopholes of Democractic liberty.

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_5?1145014636.jpg

 

[Krynn72]

There's no difference, except that the protesters hide behind the loopholes of Democractic liberty.

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There really is no hope for you. You are pitiful.

 

[15357]

...


There really is no hope for you. You are pitiful.

There really is no hope for you. You are pitiful.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

There really is no hope for you. You are pitiful.

For gods sakes.

Do you honestly believe that all protesters are like that? Even that most are?!

 

[Krynn72]

There really is no hope for you. You are pitiful.

Good one :thumbs:

 

[Absinthe]

Numbers, I disagree with you on a lot of things, but I often brush off a lot of what you say as humorous, so I don't really bother with it.

You've actually pissed me off with this one. How can you not make the distinction between a protestor and a rioter? How? This truly stumps me, because despite how big of an erection you may get over authoritarianism, you'd have to be very dishonest with yourself to say they are the same.

I'm really sorry if things are so ****ed up in your country that you want to favor strong-arm tactics and police brutality. I really am. But no matter how you paint it, shooting unarmed, innocent people who are guilty of protesting (not running around with C4 and flamethrowers, or whatever ridiculous insurgency you wish to paint it as) is uncalled for and wrong, at least in the United States where we allow people to assemble and voice themselves. The "hee-haw" backslapping that took place isn't something I can take legal action against. It just merely shows how vile the perpetrators are.

In any case, you're insane.

 

[CptStern]

I've seen WTO protests in Busan Metropolitian City, they're either 20-something uni students or 50-something farmers with the majority of them being Student Union/Federation (which is ILLEGAL). They go around and set people, or to be accurate, police, on fire with LPG-flamethrowers.

Democracy has mutated into something that is more and more resembling anarchy now. Wave that away as propaganda.

you mean that's what you were told:

Nearly 150,000 Korean farmers rallied across the country in October to protest the bill and they also showed up en masse to protest APEC in Busan where WTO agricultural policy was one of the key topics tabled at the APEC leaders' summit. Protests began on September 12 with a march of 20,000 in Seoul organized by the Korean Confederation of Trade Unions (KCTU) and People's Action against APEC and Bush. They were quiet enough until 15 November, when the Korean Peasants League held a protest in Seoul. The League's protest turned into a four-hour confrontation with police, leaving seven police buses burned out and many police and protesters injured, including Korean farmer Jeon Yong-cheol, who later died of head injuries. This was a precursor to the larger protest that took place in Busan on 18 November. Protest organizers had expected over 100,000 to show up; however, police stopped at least 70 busloads of protestors from the neighboring province of South Cholla from reaching the rally, in some cases stealing the keys from bus drivers. Still, 30,000 managed to rally in Busan and march on the summit. Korean farmers carried ceremonial effigies for two farmers who had committed suicide by drinking herbicide in the week previous to the conference as a protest against South Korea's plan to liberalize its rice market.



In anticipation of a confrontation, riot police used armored buses and a double layer of shipping containers to seal off the bridges leading to the Busan Exhibition and Convention Center (BEXCO). In response, the protestors -- mainly farmers -- tied ropes to the containers and pulled them down, succeeding, under a barrage of water cannon, in dragging some of them into the sea.[2] What happened next was captured and circulated by the international media: well armed police -- equipped with batons, shields and in some cases, three-meter steel pipes -- clashed with protestors brandishing bamboo poles well into the evening.

Riot police used water cannons and batons against protesters wielding iron bars as the demonstration outside the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Busan turned violent. Anti free-trade protesters used ropes to pull down shipping containers blocking bridges approaching the venue.

Demonstrations in Seoul on Nov. 15 left more than 100 injured after police used water canons, batons and riot shields to repel farmers armed with sticks and stones.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wto/3651.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Farmers_clash_amidst_high_security_at_APEC_summit_in_South_Korea


nowhere did I see reports of protestors using flame throwers to burn police officers alive

 

[MjM]

yes they do thats true....They hurt really bad when they hit your buttcheeks >,<

Seen jackass ... they shoot one of them with a rubber bullet, first though they put body armour on the guy and dont aim for his chest. The impact can cause heart attacks. They shoot him in his ass.

 

[15357]

you mean that's what you were told:








http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wto/3651.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Farmers_clash_amidst_high_security_at_APEC_summit_in_South_Korea


nowhere did I see reports of protestors using flame throwers to burn police officers alive

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_20?1145014640.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_7?1145014637.jpg <- flamethrower pic

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_11?1145014638.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_12?1145014638.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_16?1145014639.jpg

Numbers, I disagree with you on a lot of things, but I often brush off a lot of what you say as humorous, so I don't really bother with it.

You've actually pissed me off with this one. How can you not make the distinction between a protestor and a rioter? How? This truly stumps me, because despite how big of an erection you may get over authoritarianism, you'd have to be very dishonest with yourself to say they are the same.

I'm really sorry if things are so ****ed up in your country that you want to favor strong-arm tactics and police brutality. I really am. But no matter how you paint it, shooting unarmed, innocent people who are guilty of protesting (not running around with C4 and flamethrowers, or whatever ridiculous insurgency you wish to paint it as) is uncalled for and wrong, at least in the United States where we allow people to assemble and voice themselves. The "hee-haw" backslapping that took place isn't something I can take legal action against. It just merely shows how vile the perpetrators are.

In any case, you're insane.

I never said that they were the same, but what kind of a protester

The League's protest turned into a four-hour confrontation with police, leaving seven police buses burned out

protestors brandishing bamboo poles well into the evening.

protesters wielding iron bars

 

[Absinthe]

That's great. I was referring to the topic's video. You brought in some tangent about flame-wielding nutsos.

 

[CptStern]

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_20?1145014640.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_7?1145014637.jpg <- flamethrower pic

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_11?1145014638.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_12?1145014638.jpg

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_16?1145014639.jpg

where's the pic of the flaming police officers? also notice that in every pic the protesters are severely outnumbered/under armed

quotes from my source

you forgot

..left more than 100 injured after police used water canons, batons and riot shields to repel farmers armed with sticks and stones

South Korean media reports that 70 protesters and 10 police were injured in the action.

couldnt have been too much of a problem if the police managed to injure 7 times their amount of wounded


still no reports of protestors making bonfires out of police officers



anyways Numbers ..out of 10,000 (another report put the numbers closer to 30,000) protestors how many were involved in the violence? All 10,000? the low number of injured seems to suggest a small minority of protestors.

 

[Icewolf717]

Thats horrible. Action should only have been taken if the protesters were fighting back, they were just standing there holding signs, jeez...

 

[madog]

Cops are crazy. They abuse their power like an admin on CS.

 

[Hapless]

How come we don't see what led up to the lady being shot? How come we don't see the entire tape of the entire incident? I'll tell you why, because it is propaganda. We had a similar thing happen here where several protesters at a labor rally were sprayed with OC after they tried to break through the police line. The leadership of the various unions involved met with the police department beforehand and various terms were agreed upon, including that the protesters were not to cross the police line.

Everything went along fine until a professional agitator pushed several people in the front of the group from behind, causing them to push against the police. Several people were sprayed with OC and arrested. Our department had video there, as did the unions and the media. The incident lasted 18 seconds from start to finish.

Next thing you know, the unions put out a propaganda video of the incident. Playing in the background is an Irish protest song. Spraying noises are very obviously dubbed in, and the incident is stretched to about a minute and thirty seconds, followed by interviews with union members and their children talking about how terrible it was to be sprayed. The majority of the people interviewed are very obviously NOT suffering from the effects of OC spray, yet the interviews were supposedly conducted just after the incident. The unions sued and lost, since when ALL of the videos were seen in their entirety, it was very obvious that the incident was intentionally provoked by the unions for propaganda purposes.

During another protest that I was involved in, several of the protestors who were all professional protesters flown in from all over the country assaulted a park district officer (the protest occurred in one of our parks) and tried to take his OC spray from him. This was after he tried to move them back out of a cordoned off area. We were called to assist as the park district was woefully outnumbered. We arrived, and one of the protesters smacked one of our command officers upside the head with a sign. She was promptly sprayed and taken into custody by me and another officer (I personally witnessed her smacking the command officer with the sign as I was about 3 feet from him). Two or three others were arrested and the others retreated after our ERT team arrived. The rest of the demonstration was peaceful, albeit more restricted than it would have been if they behaved themselves.

The point is, I have absolutely zero trust in these types of propaganda videos put out by protest groups. These people know exactly what they are doing, and in many cases are instructed as to how to provoke the police into using force so they can portray the use of force as unjustified and an example of how, "the man," is trying to keep them down. Until I see the ENTIRE video, form all sources, I will reserve judgment.

 

[15357]

That's great. I was referring to the topic's video. You brought in some tangent about flame-wielding nutsos.

My apologies.

where's the pic of the flaming police officers? also notice that in every pic the protesters are severely outnumbered/under armed

you forgot


couldnt have been too much of a problem if the police managed to injure 7 times their amount of wounded


still no reports of protestors making bonfires out of police officers



anyways Numbers ..out of 10,000 (another report put the numbers closer to 30,000) protestors how many were involved in the violence? All 10,000? the low number of injured seems to suggest a small minority of protestors.

http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_13?1145014639.jpg
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1292_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1291_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1288_photo.gif <- National Combat Medal winner (the guy on fire)
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http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1332_photo.gif <- DOA

mms://ohmyvod.ohmynews.com/ohmytv/vod/200/rofmay_82701_1[1].wmv

Anyway, police arrested over two thousand violent protesters in Busan (APEC), in which it caused more protesting, and the police were forced to release the prisoners under threat of bombing.
So thats like 20%.


Anyway, I have a question. Why protest? Just do it the democratic way, issue propositions and let it be voted in by the people!

"But they don't work!/It's not fast enough!"

Thats called democracy! Protesting probably means that you failed at the propositions and therefore it is not something accepted by the majority! So, in conclusion, you are, contrary to popular belief, UNDEMOCRATIC!


btw, read this stern: http://images.google.com/imgres?img...Police+Korea&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N

 

[Viperidae]

Problem is, propositions/referendums are sanctioned by, you guessed it, the government.

 

[15357]

Problem is, propositions/referendums are sanctioned by, you guessed it, the government.

In which they are made of elected people.

 

[bigburpco]

or your face...

Or the tender regions.

 

[CptStern]

My apologies.



http://kr.img.n2o.yahoo.com/yhi/nbbs/n2o2006/04/14/n2o_1211_891733_13?1145014639.jpg
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1292_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1291_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1288_photo.gif <- National Combat Medal winner (the guy on fire)
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http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1330_photo.gif
http://sig.megapass.net/club/home1/archives/ALBUM/1332_photo.gif <- DOA

mms://ohmyvod.ohmynews.com/ohmytv/vod/200/rofmay_82701_1[1].wmv

doesnt that seem one sided to you? every single pic shows police as victem ..yet only 10-11 police men were injured. More than 70 protestors were injured ..surely someone took photos of protestors being injured

btw DOA means dead on arrival ..nowhere can I find any reference to a police man being killed during the riot. Also if he was killed well that's the risk he took when he became a police officer ..regrettable but he knew the risks ..as did they all.

The fire seems a little excessive and admittedly something I'm unfamiliar with too ..but then again you guys do seem a little crazy:

The 38-year-old farmer, Chung Yong-pum, was found dead in his hometown of Damyang, South Jeolla Province, early Saturday, the opening day of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum with the Concluding Senior Officials' Meeting in Busan.

Found alongside Chung's body was a bottle of herbicide and a suicide note, calling for government protection of the country's farming industry

Anyway, police arrested over two thousand violent protesters in Busan (APEC), in which it caused more protesting, and the police were forced to release the prisoners under threat of bombing.
So thats like 20%.

funny but I cant find not even a single report that backs that up ..in fact the numbers seem to be much much lower:

"About 300 angry demonstrators armed with bamboo sticks and metal pipes burned an effigy of Bush"
- http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.asp...aking_news/breaking_news__international_news/
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/179353/1/.html


"Local police said that about 40 farmers were arrested."

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Farmers_clash_amidst_high_security_at_APEC_summit_in_South_Korea


"In the tradition of Korean demonstrations things got quite extreme with riot police apparently wielding 3-metre-long metal pipes at demonstrators and angry protestors responding by using ropes to pull the shipping containers from the barricades and into the sea. The fighting went on after dark, but it seems that the police were eventually able to disperse the protestors without too much trouble."

Anyway, I have a question. Why protest? Just do it the democratic way, issue propositions and let it be voted in by the people!

"But they don't work!/It's not fast enough!"

Thats called democracy! Protesting probably means that you failed at the propositions and therefore it is not something accepted by the majority! So, in conclusion, you are, contrary to popular belief, UNDEMOCRATIC!

yes that's always effective ..every time there's political corruption or an issue that's unpopular let's all vote on it! ..nice little fantasy but that's not how things work ..at least not in the real world. BTW the majority DID speak up in this particular riot ..it was all about Rice ..the rice farmers protested over government WTO deals that would ruin centuries of farming practices ...but I guess that's not a valid reason to protest.

btw, read this stern: http://images.google.com/imgres?img...Police+Korea&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N

yes because selectively posting images that show police being attacked is painting a complete picture of what happened in Busan ...yet the reports clearly say there were 7 times as many civilian injuries as there were police injured ..so I'm guessing there must be as many as 7 times as much photos showing protestors being injured .....right?

 

[CptStern]

double post

 

[15357]

yes that's always effective ..every time there's political corruption or an issue that's unpopular let's all vote on it! ..nice little fantasy but that's not how things work ..at least not in the real world. BTW the majority DID speak up in this particular riot ..it was all about Rice ..the rice farmers protested over government WTO deals that would ruin centuries of farming practices ...but I guess that's not a valid reason to protest.

30,000 vs 50,000,000 = majority? The WTO deals have greatly benefited the nation with exports of high-tech industries. Rice has no issue on this, as WTO deals with the US, and people hate US rice, according to a poll by Choseon news.

besides, so you support undemocratic ways to achieve unpopular goals?

More than 70 protestors were injured

Oh, a few bruises are much better than HAVING YOUR SKIN BURNED OFF. Besides, their fault for breaking the law.

yes because selectively posting images that show police being attacked is painting a complete picture of what happened in Busan ...yet the reports clearly say there were 7 times as many civilian injuries as there were police injured ..so I'm guessing there must be as many as 7 times as much photos showing protestors being injured .....right?

Propaganda by the unions. If there were protesters injured, you'd think that the oh-so-prominent unions would take pictures, don't you? Newspapers love that sort of thing, and yet they didn't post any. Not even the super-liberal internet based ohmynews.

"In the tradition of Korean demonstrations things got quite extreme with riot police apparently wielding 3-metre-long metal pipes at demonstrators and angry protestors responding by using ropes to pull the shipping containers from the barricades and into the sea. The fighting went on after dark, but it seems that the police were eventually able to disperse the protestors without too much trouble."

I don't think 3 hours is "without too much trouble."

btw DOA means dead on arrival ..nowhere can I find any reference to a police man being killed during the riot. Also if he was killed well that's the risk he took when he became a police officer ..regrettable but he knew the risks ..as did they all.

Guess why? The 3 were killed after they broke their necks....

And the '70' that were 'injured' knew the risks too...

 

[CptStern]

30,000 vs 50,000,000 = majority?

yes ..considering the farmers and not the general population of south korea were directly affected by the WTO agreement

The WTO deals have greatly benefited the nation with exports of high-tech industries.

what does that have to do with the protest? the mjority of protestors were famers directly affected byt the WTO

Rice has no issue on this,

it has everything to do with this:

We are together with the Korean peasants who are fighting against the parliamentary ratification of WTO rice negotiations

http://www.focusweb.org/content/view/691/92/

Korean farmers have directly targeted global trade talks as well as the Korean government's own plans to liberalize its rice market. Under a deal negotiated last year with rice-exporting countries and the World Trade Organization, South Korea pledged to raise its rice import quota to 7.96 percent of total domestic consumption from the current four percent in exchange for a 10-year grace period before it must fully open up to rice imports. The Korean government has also tried to ease the pressure on Korean farmers by providing incentives to grow different grains and other agricultural products.



According to South Korea's Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice (CCEJ), however, the Korean government has confused the public by claiming that it only plans to increase the imported rice quota to 7.9 percent. The CCEJ maintains that the 1988-90 statistics on which this figure is based are inflated compared to current levels of consumption; furthermore, the government has established separate quotas for rice importation for use in food and beverage processing which would also considerably inflate the amount of rice imported.[1]



Nearly 150,000 Korean farmers rallied across the country in October to protest the bill and they also showed up en masse to protest APEC in Busan where WTO agricultural policy was one of the key topics tabled at the APEC leaders' summit.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9280

as WTO deals with the US, and people hate US rice, according to a poll by Choseon news.

:upstare: ya that must be it ..they hate american rice

besides, so you support undemocratic ways to achieve unpopular goals?

how is protesting "undemocratic"?

"By the People, For the People"

Oh, a few bruises are much better than HAVING YOUR SKIN BURNED OFF. Besides, their fault for breaking the law.

yup ..bumps and bruises:

The League's protest turned into a four-hour confrontation with police, leaving seven police buses burned out and many police and protesters injured, including Korean farmer Jeon Yong-cheol, who later died of head injuries.

...but I guess your government didnt report on his death


or showed this video

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151234890/Korean_Police_Brutality

or this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1896336681061668836&q=korean&hl=en

Propaganda by the unions. If there were protesters injured, you'd think that the oh-so-prominent unions would take pictures, don't you? Newspapers love that sort of thing, and yet they didn't post any. Not even the super-liberal internet based ohmynews.

who owns the media? who controls access to information? you have to ask yourself why are the media reports so one sided? funny how you support your government protecting corporate interests rather than their own people ...it's the completely opposite of what democracy is all about

Guess why? The 3 were killed after they broke their necks....

then why cant I find not even a single report of a police officer dying from injuries sustained during the riot ..much less 3 police officers?

And the '70' that were 'injured' knew the risks too...

apples and oranges ..the police are trained, the rioters are not ..the police went into a danger zones knowing the risks ..they prepared for it, they know what they were getting into




btw dont think I it's escaped my notice that you refuse to answer as to why there's such a huge decrepancy between your report and mine (you use a single report, I've gathered at least a half-dozen) ..I mean you said 2000 arrests ..I posted 40 ..that's a difference of 1960 arrests ...surely someone is incorrect here ...and since I cross referenced my figures ..........

 

[Ennui]

13537, you are truely warped in your ideals and senses of what is right, wrong, and democratic.

 

[Solaris]

Leave him alone.

15257 can opress me any day

<3

 

[DeusExMachina]

You guys are getting Numbers numbers all wrong D:

 

[Solaris]

Do you think 13537 is numbers citizen ID?

 

[15357]

yes ..considering the farmers and not the general population of south korea were directly affected by the WTO agreement

Export-led growth = effects entire nation


what does that have to do with the protest? the mjority of protestors were famers directly affected byt the WTO

Which do not speak for the enire nation?


it has everything to do with this:



http://www.focusweb.org/content/view/691/92/




http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9280



:upstare: ya that must be it ..they hate american rice

No, the WTO deals have gone through, and there have been almost 0 loss of Korean rice sales. Even the farmers association admits it.

how is protesting "undemocratic"?

"By the People, For the People"


How is using flamethrowers against police democratic?


yup ..bumps and bruises:



...but I guess your government didnt report on his death


or showed this video

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1151234890/Korean_Police_Brutality

or this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1896336681061668836&q=korean&hl=en

Saw that one, on TV. I have to laugh. Why do you think thats so one-sided? Maybe the shield-using had something to do with, i don't know, the iron pipes and the firebombs they were using against the police in their extremely illegal act? Wouldn't you suppress a person with a baton who is seemingly intent on taking your head off with a sharpened bamboo stick?

who owns the media? who controls access to information? you have to ask yourself why are the media reports so one sided? funny how you support your government protecting corporate interests rather than their own people ...it's the completely opposite of what democracy is all about

There are no media that are controlled by the state, as it is illegal, according to Code 297 or something. The corporate interests will, and are benefacting the whole of the nation, with increased GDP per capita as well as export led growth, which has been the most important factor in escaping national poverty

then why cant I find not even a single report of a police officer dying from injuries sustained during the riot ..much less 3 police officers?

Because you are looking at the wrong sources. Or I may be. I need to check.

apples and oranges ..the police are trained, the rioters are not ..the police went into a danger zones knowing the risks ..they prepared for it, they know what they were getting into

The protesters were VERY prepared. Iron pipes, makeshift flamethrowers, gasoline bombs.... ect.

btw dont think I it's escaped my notice that you refuse to answer as to why there's such a huge decrepancy between your report and mine (you use a single report, I've gathered at least a half-dozen) ..I mean you said 2000 arrests ..I posted 40 ..that's a difference of 1960 arrests ...surely someone is incorrect here ...and since I cross referenced my figures ..........

The police don't arrest the violent ones, only the leaders. They released all the non-leadership..

IN QUOTE.

13537, you are truely warped in your ideals and senses of what is right, wrong, and democratic.

AM I? MWHWHHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahah..... It's as simple as right and left.

Do you think 13537 is numbers citizen ID?

No, my metropoltian resident confirmation number is **0501-10*****.

 

[CptStern]

IN QUOTE.

you put your reply along with mine in the same quote ..I'm not answering that, I'm not searching through your post and seperating it from mine .. you're obviously too lazy to do it yourself

oh you are brainwashed ..witnessed by how you sit there after viewing the video of police brutality and STILL defend it as right ..you're beyond help ..you're like a caricature from out of the 50's ..but not the Leave-it-to-Beaver-happy-golly-gee-whiz-1950's ..more like the scary-McCarthy-kill-the-red-menace-commies-in-your-backyard-before-they-get-you-brainwashed-bullshit-1950's

 

[sinkoman]

you put your reply along with mine in the same quote ..I'm not answering that, I'm not searching through your post and seperating it from mine .. you're obviously too lazy to do it yourself

oh you are brainwashed ..witnessed by how you sit there after viewing the video of police brutality and STILL defend it as right ..you're beyond help ..you're like a caricature from out of the 50's ..but not the Leave-it-to-Beaver-happy-golly-gee-whiz-1950's ..more like the scary-McCarthy-kill-the-red-menace-commies-in-your-backyard-before-they-get-you-brainwashed-bullshit-1950's

If you're gonna argue with him, then keep it non-personal. I mean, you have good points and everything, but every single post you make has some sort of "OMG NUMBERS = BRAINWASHED KOREAN!" esque refference. It kinda makes you look like a douche.

 

[15357]

you put your reply along with mine in the same quote ..I'm not answering that, I'm not searching through your post and seperating it from mine .. you're obviously too lazy to do it yourself

Or you can't reply.

oh you are brainwashed ..witnessed by how you sit there after viewing the video of police brutality and STILL defend it as right

Ok, so you didn't read what I wrote. Or you can't read. Or maybe brainwashed! *gasp*

..you're beyond help ..you're like a caricature from out of the 50's ..but not the Leave-it-to-Beaver-happy-golly-gee-whiz-1950's ..more like the scary-McCarthy-kill-the-red-menace-commies-in-your-backyard-before-they-get-you-brainwashed-bullshit-1950's

Ah, go back to 1890.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

You are brainwashed.

You're not a bad person. But really man, wake up!

 

[pvtbones]

I think your all brainwashed...

in the end does it really matter if stern is right or if numbers is right? they will still protest and people will still be injuried/killed (both police and civilian.)

 

[DietSoap]

you put your reply along with mine in the same quote ..I'm not answering that, I'm not searching through your post and seperating it from mine .. you're obviously too lazy to do it yourself

I could read it pretty easily. I say if you're gonna debate, then debate.

 

[CptStern]

I could read it pretty easily. I say if you're gonna debate, then debate.

lol, irony ftw ..had you read what I posted you'd know I have no problems reading numbers' post ..I just didnt want to have to sift through his reply and mine just to answer his statements that I've done a dozen times in the last few pages of this thread

Or you can't reply.

you mean like you've been doing in replying to my posts in this thread? You mean how you cherry pick segments of my posts and only reply to minor points? I guess you'll answer my questions as to where the 1960 phantom arrests came from or provide evidence of the 3 dead policemen you claim were killed by protestors ......right?

Ok, so you didn't read what I wrote. Or you can't read. Or maybe brainwashed! *gasp*

lol! who exactly am I brainwashed by? the korean farmers? the Chinese? commies? hippies?

Ah, go back to 1890.

pardon? is that date supposed to have some significance? does it have something to do with the australian authorities discovering children were being poisoned in 1890 because they were injesting powdered paint ?..wow you got me there ..kids eating poison ..I can see the relation ...or maybe you were referring to James Northrop who developed an automatic weaving machine somehow alluding to the fact that I've been bobbing and weaving through your posts throughout this entire thread ..please let me know because I'm confused


/of being an ass

 

[DietSoap]

lol, irony ftw ..had you read what I posted you'd know I have no problems reading numbers' post ..I just didnt want to have to sift through his reply and mine just to answer his statements that I've done a dozen times in the last few pages of this thread

I knew that's what you were doing, but I just hate that type of behavior. How about you reply to that post, now that you've outright said your intentions? If you don't, then you should know what that would mean from past debates...

BTW, I agree with you Stern, but I still want to see this debate to the end.

 

[99.vikram]

I've run out of sarcastic comments...

 

[15357]

yes ..considering the farmers and not the general population of south korea were directly affected by the WTO agreement

Export-led growth = effects entire nation

what does that have to do with the protest? the mjority of protestors were famers directly affected byt the WTO

Which do not speak for the enire nation?

it has everything to do with this:



http://www.focusweb.org/content/view/691/92/




http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9280



ya that must be it ..they hate american rice

No, the WTO deals have gone through, and there have been almost 0 loss of Korean rice sales. Even the farmers association admits it.

how is protesting "undemocratic"?

"By the People, For the People"

How is using flamethrowers against police democratic?

yup ..bumps and bruises:



...but I guess your government didnt report on his death


or showed this video

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11...lice_Brutality

or this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=korean&hl=en

Saw that one, on TV. I have to laugh. Why do you think thats so one-sided? Maybe the shield-using had something to do with, i don't know, the iron pipes and the firebombs they were using against the police in their extremely illegal act? Wouldn't you suppress a person with a baton who is seemingly intent on taking your head off with a sharpened bamboo stick?

who owns the media? who controls access to information? you have to ask yourself why are the media reports so one sided? funny how you support your government protecting corporate interests rather than their own people ...it's the completely opposite of what democracy is all about

There are no media that are controlled by the state, as it is illegal, according to Code 297 or something. The corporate interests will, and are benefacting the whole of the nation, with increased GDP per capita as well as export led growth, which has been the most important factor in escaping national poverty

then why cant I find not even a single report of a police officer dying from injuries sustained during the riot ..much less 3 police officers?

K, nvm. Wrong article.

apples and oranges ..the police are trained, the rioters are not ..the police went into a danger zones knowing the risks ..they prepared for it, they know what they were getting into

The protesters were VERY prepared. Iron pipes, makeshift flamethrowers, gasoline bombs.... ect. You would think that they'd know what to expect when using firebombs.

btw dont think I it's escaped my notice that you refuse to answer as to why there's such a huge decrepancy between your report and mine (you use a single report, I've gathered at least a half-dozen) ..I mean you said 2000 arrests ..I posted 40 ..that's a difference of 1960 arrests ...surely someone is incorrect here ...and since I cross referenced my figures ..........

The police don't arrest the violent ones, only the leaders. They released all the non-leadership..


Yeah, I've seperated them for you, your hippiness.

 

[Sulkdodds]

how is protesting "undemocratic"?

"By the People, For the People"

How is using flamethrowers against police democratic?

k this is where you go wrong:

Stern: "How is running unlawful?"
15357: "How is running away from police officers because you've murdered someone lawful?"

Stern: "How are the police evil?"
15357: "How is arresting someone and beating a false confession out of them not evil?"

Stern: "How the hell are computers bad?"
15357: "How is a computer taking over the world and killing everybody not bad?"

Do you see what you did there?

PROTEST =! FLAMETHROWERS

 

[Tyguy]

How can you all come to the conclusion that the officers were in the wrong. Do you know the details of this "protest" outside the couple minutes you see in the video? And stop bitching at the US as a whole, its annoying, especially when you dont live here.

With the video, if the cops were wrong, dont you think they WOULD of gotten in trouble?

 

[CptStern]

How can you all come to the conclusion that the officers were in the wrong. Do you know the details of this "protest" outside the couple minutes you see in the video?

conversely how you can say it wasnt? you're making just as large an assumption as the rest of us ..except we have video proof

And stop bitching at the US as a whole, its annoying, especially when you dont live here.

the decisions the US makes on foreign policy affects us all

With the video, if the cops were wrong, dont you think they WOULD of gotten in trouble?

not always



Numbers: I'll get to you later on today ...even though you've just rehashed everything you've said since the beginning