(US) cops shoot unarmed protestors

No, Im making no assumptions. I just find it hard to believe that a group of about 30 or so police officers are all in the wrong and have consequently not been charged with any kind of wrong doing (that we know of). In my opinion, people take their freedom of speech too far. There is nothing wrong with organizing a peacful protest on the side of the road and not causing trouble. However, when you are in the middle of the road, its an entirely new ballgame. Where does it stop? Does a police officer have to be hit for him or her to use force to put an end to it?

Some people really do need a paintball in the leg to get a point across. I can see all of your points and respect your position Stern, but agree that what we are seeing in the video is a little above the norm for a peaceful protest.\


haha, I just saw the Rodney King link. I was wondering when someone was going to mention that.
 
Tyguy said:
No, Im making no assumptions. I just find it hard to believe that a group of about 30 or so police officers are all in the wrong and have consequently not been charged with any kind of wrong doing (that we know of). In my opinion, people take their freedom of speech too far. There is nothing wrong with organizing a peacful protest on the side of the road and not causing trouble. However, when you are in the middle of the road, its an entirely new ballgame. Where does it stop? Does a police officer have to be hit for him or her to use force to put an end to it?

Some people really do need a paintball in the leg to get a point across. I can see all of your points and respect your position Stern, but agree that what we are seeing in the video is a little above the norm for a peaceful protest.\


haha, I just saw the Rodney King link. I was wondering when someone was going to mention that.
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The police could have arrested her or them. Abolsutely no need to shoot them. They wern't shooting paintballs they were shooting rubber bullets which have the capacity to kill.
 
I assume if they could get close to them, they would arrest them, but there were alot of people. When it gets to that point, their main priority is breaking it up.
 
Tyguy said:
I assume if they could get close to them, they would arrest them, but there were alot of people. When it gets to that point, their main priority is breaking it up.
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Why? It was a peaceful protest.
 
I'm trying to understand why the riot police was even called. Aren't there usually just police officers, not officers decked in riot gear?

CptStern said:
the decisions the US makes on foreign policy affects us all
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He wasn't talking about foreign policy.
 
Unless there was miscommunication or just general stupidity. Maybe the officers heard there'd be violence? Or they just thought it evolve into violence.
 
Tyguy said:
No, Im making no assumptions. I just find it hard to believe that a group of about 30 or so police officers are all in the wrong and have consequently not been charged with any kind of wrong doing (that we know of).
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watch this video ..there's not going to be any charges laid the police chief was laughing at the woman in red getting shot in the head: watch the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAKebaxEMoI&watch_response



Tyguy said:
In my opinion, people take their freedom of speech too far.
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is that even possible? are there limits to free speech? as in "well so long as you dont criticize the government you're all right"? she wasnt inciting a riot or inciting hate ..so she's well within her constitutional rights to demonstrate

Tyguy said:
There is nothing wrong with organizing a peacful protest on the side of the road and not causing trouble. However, when you are in the middle of the road, its an entirely new ballgame.
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the road was closed

Tyguy said:
Where does it stop?
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she was walking away from them, she was overwhelmingly outnumbered and posed no threat, nor made any threatening moves

Tyguy said:
Does a police officer have to be hit for him or her to use force to put an end to it?
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she wasnt doing anything unlawful ..she's a lawyer ..she understands the rule of law

Tyguy said:
Some people really do need a paintball in the leg to get a point across.
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what was the point? she had every right to carry a placard, she had every right to demonstrate ..she posed NO threat to anyone. It's painfully obvious that the police didnt care about upholding the law

Tyguy said:
I can see all of your points and respect your position Stern, but agree that what we are seeing in the video is a little above the norm for a peaceful protest.\
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above the norm? how so? she wasnt doing anything ..watch the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAKebaxEMoI&watch_response

funny enough her placard read "Fear Totalitarianism":


Police chief praises police said:
'How about yesterday, huh?'' Brooks says, complimenting the officers for their work during the protests. ``I would go to war with everyone here.''

Brooks continues, ``I went home, I couldn't sleep, I was just so pumped up about how good you guys were . . . Nobody broke ranks. You're the best I've ever been with.''

Sgt. Michael Kallman, a BSO counterterrorism unit officer, addresses the group next. A voice off-camera says, ``What about the lady behind the sign? We have intel on her?''

The officers laugh.

Kallman smiles and says, ``The good news about being able to watch you guys live on TV is that the lady with the red dress, I don't know who got her, but it went right through the sign and hit her smack dab in the middle of the head!''

He raises his forefinger and zooms it toward his forehead.

The cops all laugh.
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I can respect your pov but I cant help but feel that many people label protestors as anarchists bent on overthrowing the government ..went that isnt even remotely true
 
I don't think there's anything ironic about the "fear totalitarianism" sign. It wasn't a decision handed down by the President or the Governor or a Senator or a Mayor. The cops made a bad decision on their own.
 
yes it is a valid comparison ...a police state that pushes corporate interests above it's citizenery ..they werent there defending you or I so in that sense they're no better than hired thugs

not one police officer in that group thought what they did was wrong ..they were too busy laughing
 
is numbers' views on protesting considered the norm in korea? because that's the only way i can understand the police getting away with acting more like rioters than the protesters themselves...

funnily enough last saturday night(Dunedin, New Zealand) an annual student street party got destroyed by riot police, they even stormed our flat and dragged us all outside. :D it was pretty fun tbh, only cos it never ever happens here.
 
CptStern, may I ask - Do you know exactly what happened in the protest this topic was originally about?
 
I am often reading about police violence in the US these days. Your nation seems to employ some real savages to deal with law enforcement.
 
Sulkdodds said:
k this is where you go wrong:

Stern: "How is running unlawful?"
15357: "How is running away from police officers because you've murdered someone lawful?"

Stern: "How are the police evil?"
15357: "How is arresting someone and beating a false confession out of them not evil?"

Stern: "How the hell are computers bad?"
15357: "How is a computer taking over the world and killing everybody not bad?"

Do you see what you did there?

PROTEST =! FLAMETHROWERS
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But we were on the subject of the anti-free trade protests in Busan Metropolitian City.
 
Nemesis6 said:
How? Were you there, were you filming it, have you had access to transcripts, etc?
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did you watch the video? were you filming it? have you had access to transcripts etc? then how do you know that the version of events featured in the video is false? you're speculating on what exactly? you have zero proof that there's more to the video than meets the eye ..I I at least have coroborating evidence ..what exactly are you going on? please inform the rest of us because we'd really like to know

watch it again, both videos ...it's obvious what happened ..is their room for intrepretation ..sure but there's really not much room for deviation of the official story ..the second video confirms it
 
Watching news reports and watching a video does not mean you know what happened in the protest. That's what I'm trying to get at here.
 
Rupertvdb said:
I am often reading about police violence in the US these days. Your nation seems to employ some real savages to deal with law enforcement.
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What news source are you reading? This is one of the first cases I've seen in awhile.
 
they shot her unprovoked ..5 times ..isnt that enough? watch both videos ..she was just walking
 
Might be my history in the military but I just dont sympathize with her
 
Tyguy said:
Might be my history in the military but I just dont sympathize with her
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how can you not sympathise with her? what if that was your mother? your sister, your daughter? ...she most definately is someone's mother/sister/daughter

just because you served doesnt make her wrong ..you cant just blindly support something because people you share POV with were the ones being accused


military or police or religious figures ...a crime is a crime is a crime
 
Tyguy said:
Might be my history in the military but I just dont sympathize with her
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What?
What happens when its an issue you care about, and your peacefully protesting and then you get shot 5 times with rubber bullets, what then? You americans have the right to free assembly. Its a right that was removed and abused by shooting peaceful people expressing their views.
 
Theres not a single issue i can think of that would make me walk down a street with a sign.
 
Tyguy said:
Theres not a single issue i can think of that would make me walk down a street with a sign.
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ya but you're not everyone ..just because you couldnt find a social issue worth protesting over doesnt mean that others couldnt

you have to get this notion out of your head that thinks that protest is about anarchists trying to overthrow the government when in fact it;s nothing like that

if more people had protested the war in the US your comrades wouldnt be dying needlessly



civil activism is instrumental for achieving all the civil rights we enjoy ..no one single civil right was ever initiated by a government ..but rather by the people. Without the right to demonstrate democracy is meaningless
 
I am speechless. I think there was a better way to approach this than shooting them, they did not even look like they where being violent.
 
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