US military investigating allegations US soldiers executed iraqi civilians

[CptStern]

Iraqi Police Claim U.S. Soldiers Executed 11 Civilians Last Week

"According to the U.S. account, the house collapsed because of the heavy fire. When U.S. forces searched the rubble they found one man, the al-Qaida suspect, alive. He was arrested. They also found a dead man they believed to be connected to al-Qaida, two dead women and a dead child.

"But the report filed by the Joint Coordination Center, which was based on a report filed by local police, said U.S. forces entered the house while it was still standing.

"'The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men,' the report said. 'Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals.'

"The report identified the dead by name, giving their ages. The two men killed were 22 and 28. Of the women, one was 22, another was 23, a third was 30 and the fourth was 75. Two of the children were 5 years old, two were 3, and the fifth was 6 months old, the document said."


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002199341


this comes on the heels of another investigation into US soldiers executing civilians in a seperate incident:


"U.S. military criminal investigators are trying to determine whether marines deliberately targeted civilians and covered it up after they shot dead 23 Iraqis shortly after one of their own was killed by a roadside bomb near Haditha in western Iraq.

the military began to investigate further after Time magazine presented authorities with Iraqi eyewitness accounts saying the marines were the only ones shooting, going on a rampage after the bombing and killing unarmed Iraqis in their homes. A videotape of the aftermath of the attack supports the eyewitness accounts, Time reports.

The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians, including three children and seven women, who were designated as non-combatants but considered "collateral damage." The other eight Iraqis were considered armed insurgents, although the marines turned up only two guns."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060321.IRAQ21/TPStory/TPInternational/

 

[jimbo118]

The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians, including three children and seven women, who were designated as non-combatants but considered "collateral damage."

thats pretty awful...:stare:

 

[CptStern]

ya I found this disturbing as well

"Of the women, one was 22, another was 23, a third was 30 and the fourth was 75. Two of the children were 5 years old, two were 3, and the fifth was 6 months old"

 

[Lemonking]

I doubt this is true,thats simply my opinion thoe.

 

[CptStern]

I doubt this is true,thats simply my opinion thoe.

yes because your opinion means more than the military's

"The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians"

 

[Lemonking]

you cant just go around shooting people,it must have been an accident....I hope,and IF this is true,I think it might be time 2 home D:,it getting worse and worse

 

[CptStern]

this doesnt sound like an accident:

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men"

 

[Mr-Fusion]

you cant just go around shooting people,it must have been an accident....I hope,and IF this is true,I think it might be time 2 home D:,it getting worse and worse

No, you can't. But this is war and terrible things happen. Every anti-war protest, anti-war sentiment that you heard before this ridiculous invasion was to stop crap like this happening. You think the Americans are the good guys? There's really no good guys in wars. Just bad, badder and worse.

"U.S. military criminal investigators are trying to determine whether marines deliberately targeted civilians and covered it up after they shot dead 23 Iraqis shortly after one of their own was killed by a roadside bomb near Haditha in western Iraq.

Revenge attacks. I'm not going to justify the mentality of the soldiers, but if you get a bunch of dumb-ass-American-redneck-yesmen-soldiers then if you kill one of their buddies, you'll end up with a lot of Angry-dumb-ass-American-rednecks-soldiers, They'll start yelling "Hey yall we shud get ourselves an eyerackkeee, gotta payback the mother****ers!"

Thus you get warcrimes! Delicious warcrimes.

 

[CptStern]

I can almost understand revenge killings (when it's against the enemy) ..a huge almost ..but this is women and children ..some where just babies ..2 were not much older than my son. These sort of incidents fuels the 9/11's of tommorrow

 

[SAJ]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1735748,00.html

Both accounts of the incident agree there was a firefight in the early hours of the morning when US troops raided a house which an al-Qaida suspect was suspected to be visiting. The American account said the house collapsed as a result of the firefight, killing two women, a child, and a man believed to have al-Qaida links. The suspect survived and was captured. But the Iraqi police report suggests that the killings took place when the house was still standing. A local police commander, Lieutenant Colonel Farooq Hussain, said hospital autopsies "revealed that all the victims had bullet shots in the head and all bodies were handcuffed".
Maj Keefe said: "I saw those [autopsy] photos and it didn't appear there were any handcuffs."

It appears that the military spokesperson is not denying that they were all shot in the head. To be sure though , an actual statement to that effect would be needed (just to rule out selective quotation).

I can almost understand revenge killings (when it's against the enemy) ..a huge almost

Interesting; in a way the army is brainwashed into regarding all Iraqis as "other" and potentially an enemy.

 

[CptStern]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1735748,00.html It appears that the military spokesperson is not denying that they were all shot in the head. To be sure though , an actual statement to that effect would be needed (just to rule out selective quotation).

absolutely disgusting

Interesting; in a way the army is brainwashed into regarding all Iraqis as "other" and potentially an enemy.

still cant get over the fact that some were women and children ..brainwashing or not surely they must recognise that children are innocent ..it's just too horrific to contemplate the alternative

 

[Solaris]

I saw that this morning on Yahoo.
It's completly horrific. How can you argue against withdrawl when this sort of shit is being commited?

 

[Puzzlemaker]

I want to see it from the soldiers perspective.

It could have gone down like so:

They broke into the house, and gathered everyone in one room as a safety as they searched the house. Someone had a gun, or someone tried attacking the soldier, and they opened fire. Because everyone was gathered in one room, there where several casualties.

Another way it could have gone down:

One of the marines accidently shot a civilian, and they decided to cover it up.

Either way, IT WAS A MISTAKE, AND THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED, but there is probobly more to the story then people let on. Slanting FTL.

Its so easy to point fingers, but I really do want to see an interview from the soldiers to see how exactly it went down. It really bugs me when people just start pointing fingers. Seriously guys, stop it.

 

[CptStern]

I want to see it from the soldiers perspective.

It could have gone down like so:

They broke into the house, and gathered everyone in one room as a safety as they searched the house. Someone had a gun, or someone tried attacking the soldier, and they opened fire. Because everyone was gathered in one room, there where several casualties.

no, they were all casualties ..everyone in the room was killled ..in fact they were all killed with a single bullet to the head while handcuffed ..the evidence just doesnt support your theory

Another way it could have gone down:

One of the marines accidently shot a civilian, and they decided to cover it up.

again the evidence does not in any way support your theory

Either way, IT WAS A MISTAKE, AND THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED,

there was no "mistake" ..you dont "mistakenly" shoot 15 people in the head execution style

but there is probobly more to the story then people let on. Slanting FTL.

being an apologist for soldiers that killed women and children FTL

Its so easy to point fingers, but I really do want to see an interview from the soldiers to see how exactly it went down. It really bugs me when people just start pointing fingers. Seriously guys, stop it.

you want to actually read the articles in question before jumping to conclusions?

"The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians"

it just sickens me that some people would attempt to explain this away as an accident or "propganda" when the evidence doesnt support it in the least

 

[Bob_Marley]

I am entirely unsurprised by this. Shocked and appaled, yes. But this is what I have come to expect from the American military. They're fantastic as long as their fighting a visible enemy, but as soon as the bad guys go underground they seem to go into "kill everybody" mode.

As for the brain washing side of things, the US military is still going by the doctrine of the Vietnam war:
"Remember, you're average *degratory term for an asian person* is farmer by day, but he's Charlie by night."

They still havent learned how to fight against irregular resistance effectivly. And i think it may well be a very long time before they learn, and we are in for many more incidents like this before they do...

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

How can you argue against withdrawl when this sort of shit is being commited?

You are an idiot, not everyone over there is ****ing crazy and willing to shoot children/women for no reason. :|

 

[CptStern]

yes but he has a point ..so long as iraqis see americans committing these sort of acts it will fuel the insurgency/terrorism

of course not all soldiers are capable of this level of barbarity but any good deeds will be overshadowed by these sort of incidents ..the Mai Lai massacre in vietnam was one of the turning points in public opinion against the war

 

[Puzzlemaker]

oh my god. All I am saying is that YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FULL STORY, DONT JUMP TO STUPID CONCLUSIONS.

This is why I hate the politics forum; people jump to broad, biased conclusions instantly.

You just called all american soldiers crazy. Well, CONGRATULATIONS, I know someone who has a brother in Iraq right now and you need to shut the **** up and go take you and your stupid conclusions to hell.

Because oftentimes, you dont have the full story. YES, this is wrong. YES, this is probobly a slaughter of some sort. NO, you shouldn't jump to biased conclusions based on this one thing posted by a liberal member of this board. NO, you shouldn't believe everything you read.

AGAIN, if ANYONE has this story, FROM THE SOLDIERS PERSPECTIVE, NOT THE SLANTING MEDIA'S PERPECTIVE, I would like to read it.

 

[CptStern]

oh my god. All I am saying is that YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FULL STORY, DONT JUMP TO STUPID CONCLUSIONS.

yet you're jumping to conclusions based on even less information ..you're being a hypocrite

This is why I hate the politics forum; people jump to broad, biased conclusions instantly.

see above

You just called all american soldiers crazy.

who? me? point out where I said that

Well, CONGRATULATIONS, I know someone who has a brother in Iraq right now

not to be insensitive but what does this have to do with anything?

and you need to shut the **** up and go take you and your stupid conclusions to hell.

so, you'll march straight to the nearest military base and say the exact same thing to the commanding officer?

"The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians"

Because oftentimes, you dont have the full story.

true ..doesnt change the fact that the military CONFIRMED US marines killed 15 civilians

YES, this is wrong. YES, this is probobly a slaughter of some sort. NO, you shouldn't jump to biased conclusions based on this one thing posted by a liberal member of this board.

now you're just being silly ..I didnt write these reports, I didnt film that video, I didnt initiate the military investigation that concluded marines killed 15 civilians

NO, you shouldn't believe everything you read.

true ..but I'll take the military's word over someone on a gaming forum, thankyouverymuch

AGAIN, if ANYONE has this story, FROM THE SOLDIERS PERSPECTIVE, NOT THE SLANTING MEDIA'S PERPECTIVE, I would like to read it.

sorry but the soldiers perspective is NOT reliable in the least because they attempted to cover up the crime ..they have self-interest in mind

 

[Solaris]

oh my god. All I am saying is that YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FULL STORY, DONT JUMP TO STUPID CONCLUSIONS.
This is why I hate the politics forum; people jump to broad, biased conclusions instantly.

You just called all american soldiers crazy. Well, CONGRATULATIONS, I know someone who has a brother in Iraq right now and you need to shut the **** up and go take you and your stupid conclusions to hell.

So becuase you know someone in Iraq that means your argument wins?

Because oftentimes, you dont have the full story. YES, this is wrong. YES, this is probobly a slaughter of some sort. NO, you shouldn't jump to biased conclusions based on this one thing posted by a liberal member of this board. NO, you shouldn't believe everything you read.

Its on almost every respectable news source.

AGAIN, if ANYONE has this story, FROM THE SOLDIERS PERSPECTIVE, NOT THE SLANTING MEDIA'S PERPECTIVE, I would like to read it.

Okay.

15 People

Handcuffed

Each executed by one bullet to the head

Some of them women and children

Shot by US forces.

Tell me, what else could possibly have happened.
We Know the US soldiers shot them, they have admitted that. We know they were shot in the head, and we know some of them were children.

And writing in capitals just invalidates your argument further.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

yes but he has a point ..so long as iraqis see americans committing these sort of acts it will fuel the insurgency/terrorism

Then they're ****ing dumber than I thought they were.

 

[CptStern]

Then they're ****ing dumber than I thought they were.

it's a 2 way street ..US soldiers overwhelmingly believe saddam was responsible for 9/11 ..so something as small as this isnt that hard to believe now is it?


what gets me is that you're not outraged at the people who commited the crimes ..same goes for puzzlemaker ...one of the kids was 6 months old, but you guys want to ignore that

 

[Solaris]

Then they're ****ing dumber than I thought they were.

The insurgents are?
The same thing happened in Northean Irealand. Some troops, or maybe it was the RUC, I'm not sure. Anyway a similar thing happened, they raided the house and shot a familly of 5 dead after giving them a minute to say there prayers. This incident was used as propaganda by the IRA for Decades afterward, as were other similar massacares. The heavy handed tactics used by the British Army in Northean Irealand really gave the IRA recuruiting material, such as in Iraq shooting dead 15 people including children is really going to boost insurgent numbers. It makes me very angry to read it, hell imagine that being in your own town, and I think alot of people would be angry to the point of picking up an AK47.

 

[jverne]

You are an idiot, not everyone over there is ****ing crazy and willing to shoot children/women for no reason. :|

maybe not evryone but 2/3 is quite enough!

 

[Puzzlemaker]

yet you're jumping to conclusions based on even less information ..you're being a hypocrite

What conclusion did I jump to? I just asked you guys to stop jumping to conclusions, you dont know everything.

see above

Such wit.

who? me? point out where I said that

Bob_Marley

not to be insensitive but what does this have to do with anything?

I am annoyed that Bob_Marley just said, "But this is what I have come to expect from the American military. They're fantastic as long as their fighting a visible enemy, but as soon as the bad guys go underground they seem to go into "kill everybody" mode." and that ticked me off, because he is calling good people "Fanaticits" that "Kill everybody".

so, you'll march straight to the nearest military base and say the exact same thing to the commanding officer?

What? What does that have to do with anything? I was still yelling at bob_marley at this point.

"The military concluded that, contrary to the initial report, the marines did shoot dead 15 civilians"


Yep, they did. I want to know why they did. Thats the point I am trying to drive home here.


true ..doesnt change the fact that the military CONFIRMED US marines killed 15 civilians

Nope, it doesn't. I still want to know why. There is obviously more to this story then we know.


now you're just being silly ..I didnt write these reports, I didnt film that video, I didnt initiate the military investigation that concluded marines killed 15 civilians

What video, what reports? Can I see them?

true ..but I'll take the military's word over someone on a gaming forum, thankyouverymuch

Are you the military? No? Oh wait, your someone on a gaming forum. That posted links to media sites. I want to see this from the militaries perspective, not a liberal, anti-war websites perspective. I -HATE- not having the full story, and that is often what happens.

sorry but the soldiers perspective is NOT reliable in the least because they attempted to cover up the crime ..they have self-interest in mind

No duh. Which is why I want to see their report. Because its not reliable, and its probobly slanted, but it also has some truth in it. Now, you take what the soldiers say, take what the media says, take the the brass says, then you can find what the actuall truth behind this story is. But then, of course, people dont do that, they just see one story and start screaming.

I hate the media, they always slant things. You rarely see something that isn't slanted in some way, or changed to seem like these guys are the bad guys, and these guys are the good guys. Augh.

 

[jverne]

I hate the media, they always slant things. You rarely see something that isn't slanted in some way, or changed to seem like these guys are the bad guys, and these guys are the good guys. Augh.

good god you are stupid!

lets see!

15 people (cildren, women and men)

handcuffed

shot in the head with one bullet

by US forces


do you want me to repeat that!

15 people (cildren, women and men)

handcuffed

shot in the head with one bullet

by US forces

again?



the freaking millitary confirmed that, what better media do you f****** want!

for crist sake, how retarded are you?

 

[CptStern]

What conclusion did I jump to? I just asked you guys to stop jumping to conclusions, you dont know everything.

yet you seem to think you do:

"It could have gone down like so:

They broke into the house, and gathered everyone in one room as a safety as they searched the house. Someone had a gun, or someone tried attacking the soldier, and they opened fire. Because everyone was gathered in one room, there where several casualties.

Another way it could have gone down:

One of the marines accidently shot a civilian, and they decided to cover it up."


that's jumping to conclusions because the evidence didnt support your theory

Such wit.

what wit? I repeated it because it was the same answer

I am annoyed that Bob_Marley just said, "But this is what I have come to expect from the American military. They're fantastic as long as their fighting a visible enemy, but as soon as the bad guys go underground they seem to go into "kill everybody" mode." and that ticked me off, because he is calling good people "Fanaticits" that "Kill everybody".

yes but there's more than enough evidence that civilian casualties are high in iraq due to coalition bombing/firefights ..there's dozens of examples, I've seen videos where US soldiers laughed after killing a wounded iraqi soldier (war crime) ..I've seen footage of US warplanes firing on crowds without bothering to determine whether or not they're civilians or comabatants ...what exactly do you want us to think? that they're doing a fantastic job and are respectful of iraqis? that's just utter hogwash

What? What does that have to do with anything? I was still yelling at bob_marley at this point.

it doesnt matter, my point still stands ..the military confirmed this, you should be angry with them for "jumpng to conclusions"

Yep, they did. I want to know why they did. Thats the point I am trying to drive home here.

man, read the damn articles, in one incident it clearly says US soldiers went on a rampage killing civilians after one of their own was killed by a roadside bomb ..the second incident sounds like a thrill-kill to me

Nope, it doesn't. I still want to know why. There is obviously more to this story then we know.

you're joking right? the US military has concluded that it did indeed happen

What video, what reports? Can I see them?

ok now I'm just starting to get angry ..read the articles ffs, it's all there on the first page

Are you the military? No? Oh wait, your someone on a gaming forum. That posted links to media sites. I want to see this from the militaries perspective, not a liberal, anti-war websites perspective. I -HATE- not having the full story, and that is often what happens.

the BBC is anti war? it's all over the place in dozens of media sources across the world ...or is the only "respectable" source to you fox"news"

No duh. Which is why I want to see their report. Because its not reliable, and its probobly slanted, but it also has some truth in it. Now, you take what the soldiers say, take what the media says, take the the brass says, then you can find what the actuall truth behind this story is. But then, of course, people dont do that, they just see one story and start screaming.

you dont seem to get it ..this is not the media ...this comes from the military after an investigation

 

[Puzzlemaker]

LOL.

Okay, I know. Handcuffed. Shot in head. I know. I already said I know. Sheesh. Are you dumb? Have you heard what I said, oh, around, 50 times?

I WANT THE FULL STORY.

Here is one version of what could have happend, and what might explain this:

There was a family that was sheltering insurgents, and giving them supplies. After an attack, the military got wind of this, and sent a force to capture the house. Inside the house, the grunts decided they wanted to take matters into their own hands, because otherwise they would have to let the civilians free. So they shot them in the head, executed them. Military disavowed them, ect, ect.

However, "Family sheltering terrorists executed" sounds a lot diffrent then, "Innocent Civilians executed".

 

[Solaris]

LOL.

Okay, I know. Handcuffed. Shot in head. I know. I already said I know. Sheesh. Are you dumb? Have you heard what I said, oh, around, 50 times?

I WANT THE FULL STORY.

Here is one version of what could have happend, and what might explain this:

There was a family that was sheltering insurgents, and giving them supplies. After an attack, the military got wind of this, and sent a force to capture the house. Inside the house, the grunts decided they wanted to take matters into their own hands, because otherwise they would have to let the civilians free. So they shot them in the head, executed them. Military disavowed them, ect, ect.

However, "Family sheltering terrorists executed" sounds a lot diffrent then, "Innocent Civilians executed".

I don't care, even if what you said is true it doesn't make it right to shoot dead two children. It's still f*****g disgusting, and completely inexcusable. Children were executed by US forces, theres no possible situation in which that can be made any less horrific.

 

[CptStern]

LOL.

Okay, I know. Handcuffed. Shot in head. I know. I already said I know. Sheesh. Are you dumb? Have you heard what I said, oh, around, 50 times?

I WANT THE FULL STORY.

Here is one version of what could have happend, and what might explain this:

There was a family that was sheltering insurgents, and giving them supplies. After an attack, the military got wind of this, and sent a force to capture the house. Inside the house, the grunts decided they wanted to take matters into their own hands, because otherwise they would have to let the civilians free. So they shot them in the head, executed them. Military disavowed them, ect, ect.

However, "Family sheltering terrorists executed" sounds a lot diffrent then, "Innocent Civilians executed".

:upstare: dear god is it really that hard to read the articles on page 1? It clearly says:

"U.S. military criminal investigators are trying to determine whether marines deliberately targeted civilians and covered it up after they shot dead 23 Iraqis shortly after one of their own was killed by a roadside bomb near Haditha in western Iraq."

why would the military be investigating if that was the case? you're ignoring the most likely scenario ..it was revenge/murder.

everyone is saying it

 

[Bob_Marley]

LOL.

Okay, I know. Handcuffed. Shot in head. I know. I already said I know. Sheesh. Are you dumb? Have you heard what I said, oh, around, 50 times?

I WANT THE FULL STORY.

Here is one version of what could have happend, and what might explain this:

There was a family that was sheltering insurgents, and giving them supplies. After an attack, the military got wind of this, and sent a force to capture the house. Inside the house, the grunts decided they wanted to take matters into their own hands, because otherwise they would have to let the civilians free. So they shot them in the head, executed them. Military disavowed them, ect, ect.

However, "Family sheltering terrorists executed" sounds a lot diffrent then, "Innocent Civilians executed".

It's still a warcrime matey. What those troops did is unacceptable. Those civies should have been imprisioned and tried for assisting terrorism. The perpetrators should be court martialed. We must know the full story of what happened. Was this, as you suggest, and as I would be inclined to agree, the act of some rouge troops or was it ordered? We will need an unbiased investigation to discover this.

Whilst I would say that the continued presence of coaltion forces in Iraq is needed to ensure stablility and a sucessful hand over to the Iraqis, troops cannot be permitted to perform acts like this under any circumstances.

The major problem is that, as far as I can see, US tactics in counter insergency warfare havent evolved since Vietnam and the attitudes seen in both that and this conflict are strikingly similar.

I would also agree that the media does, in many cases, blow negative things out of preportion and completly fails to address what is being achieved. However, in this case, what has happened is clearly unacceptable and must be seen for what it is. But, the media must show what is being achieved in Iraq, and not simply show the negative things. Unfortunatly, they dont sell newspapers...

so, you'll march straight to the nearest military base and say the exact same thing to the commanding officer?

no, because my nearest military base is where the 16th air assault bregade are based and you didnt hear about anyone from that unit shooting whole families of civies did you? Or any unit of the British army for that matter!

 

[jverne]

I don't care, even if what you said is true it doesn't make it right to shoot dead two children. It's still f*****g disgusting, and completely inexcusable. Children were executed by US forces, theres no possible situation in which that can be made any less horrific.

without a dout true! you don't kill handcuffed children!

point, there is no excuse, no explanation, exept that the majority of the us troops are gun-ho maniacs and cold bloded killers! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR SHOTING VERY YOUNG HANDCUFFED CHILDREN! anyone who does not agree should be trialed in court!

 

[CptStern]

I think the media isnt telling anywhere near what's happening in iraq:

"Sergeant First Class John Meadows summed up the prevailing attitude amongst his colleagues telling the Evening Standard that Iraqi fighters were dressed in civilian clothes.

You can't distinguish between who's trying to kill you and who's not," he said.

Like, the only way to get through s*** like that was to concentrate on getting through it by killing as many people as you can, people you know are trying to kill you. Killing them first and getting home.

There was no dilemma when it came to shooting people who were not in uniform, I just pulled the trigger.

It was up close and personal the whole time, there wasn't a big distance. If they were there, they were enemy, whether in uniform or not. Some were, some weren't.

Describing the scene during combat Richardson admitted shooting injured soldiers and leaving them to die.

He said: "S***, I didn't help any of them. I wouldn't help the f******. There were some you let die. And there were some you double-tapped.

Making a shooting sign with his hand he went on: "Once you'd reached the objective, and once you'd shot them and you're moving through, anything there, you shoot again. You didn't want any prisoners of war. You hate them so bad while you're fighting, and you're so terrified, you can't really convey the feeling, but you don't want them to live.

There's a picture of the World Trade Centre hanging up by my bed and I keep one in my flak jacket. Every time I feel sorry for these people I look at that. I think, 'They hit us at home and, now, it's our turn.' I don't want to say payback but, you know, it's pretty much payback."



you wont see that on CNN


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnew...ADMIT-SHOOTING-IRAQI-CIVILIANS-name_page.html


here's an example video

 

[jverne]

I think the media isnt telling anywhere near what's happening in iraq:

"Sergeant First Class John Meadows summed up the prevailing attitude amongst his colleagues telling the Evening Standard that Iraqi fighters were dressed in civilian clothes.

You can't distinguish between who's trying to kill you and who's not," he said.

Like, the only way to get through s*** like that was to concentrate on getting through it by killing as many people as you can, people you know are trying to kill you. Killing them first and getting home.

There was no dilemma when it came to shooting people who were not in uniform, I just pulled the trigger.

It was up close and personal the whole time, there wasn't a big distance. If they were there, they were enemy, whether in uniform or not. Some were, some weren't.

Describing the scene during combat Richardson admitted shooting injured soldiers and leaving them to die.

He said: "S***, I didn't help any of them. I wouldn't help the f******. There were some you let die. And there were some you double-tapped.

Making a shooting sign with his hand he went on: "Once you'd reached the objective, and once you'd shot them and you're moving through, anything there, you shoot again. You didn't want any prisoners of war. You hate them so bad while you're fighting, and you're so terrified, you can't really convey the feeling, but you don't want them to live.

There's a picture of the World Trade Centre hanging up by my bed and I keep one in my flak jacket. Every time I feel sorry for these people I look at that. I think, 'They hit us at home and, now, it's our turn.' I don't want to say payback but, you know, it's pretty much payback."



you wont see that on CNN


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnew...ADMIT-SHOOTING-IRAQI-CIVILIANS-name_page.html


here's an example video

you're my God stern! /jk

people can't you see the facts? yes media lies , but when you hear a marine say "that was awsome, let's do it again" and hi buddys cheering! there are so may of these videos!

your counter arguments are often like "but they aren't all like this" of course they aren't, but the vast majority is, that means this system doesn't work and you still keep supporting! i try not to care that much for such opinions, but when someone says:

"maybe they didn't shoot handcuffed children with one shot in the head, on purpose"

you just want to call them NAZIS!

 

[Solaris]

Watch what your saying Jverne, alot of peope have freinds in Iraq, and I doubt the vast majority of they're freinds would do stuff like that.

 

[jverne]

Watch what your saying Jverne, alot of peope have freinds in Iraq, and I doubt the vast majority of they're freinds would do stuff like that.

sorry...i was a little overreacting! but anyway you get the picture!
i was angry at puzzlemaker trying to excuse such murders!

 

[ríomhaire]

It's the f*cking Black and Tans all over again.

 

[kirovman]

That's absolutely abhorrent, and it's even more disturbing that this will not be the last of such incidents.

Also, talk about throwing petrol onto the fire.

When you bring revenge into the equation, things escalate rapidly. And why are the US soldiers exempt from the International Warcrimes Tribunal? Sounds like an excuse to be a criminal if you ask me.

 

[DeusExMachina]

This is incredibly disgusting. I hope those men are put in front of a firing squad.

But you people STILL do not realize this isn't ALL or 2/3's or even 1/3 of the military. There are some sick ****s who might think its funny or even feel its their moral obligation to such acts, but in a military of over thousands of men and women, are even half of them capable of this? Hell no.

 

[Razor]

yes but he has a point ..so long as iraqis see americans committing these sort of acts it will fuel the insurgency/terrorism

of course not all soldiers are capable of this level of barbarity but any good deeds will be overshadowed by these sort of incidents ..the Mai Lai massacre in vietnam was one of the turning points in public opinion against the war

Agreed 100%, the Mai Lai tragedy doesn't focus on the great soldiers that saved what was left of the villagers from certain death, but who they saved them from.

I hope these Marines are found and are punished for what they did.