US national draft next year?

[aeroripper]

Have any of you heard about a draft being drawn up next year? I've heard things about this but i can't find many articles...

I'm worried about the "War on Terror" not being restricted to one nation, but warring with the whole world under a childish philosophy of "your either against us or with us on terror"

Personally i can really see this happening... seeing as how our military is spread hair thin around the globe... soldiers getting multiple tour of duties even after their suppose to go home...

I know its easy for politicians and old men to declare a draft but we're the ones that have to go fight it...

I'm 21,single so i'd probably be one of the first batches to go

 

[The Dark Elf]

I've heard about it yeah.

It's the perfect way to get all those gangs off the streets, pack em up and send em to the East, lets see em acting like they own the place then.

 

[seinfeldrules]

There wont be one. Dont believe all the completely false rumors.

 

[poseyjmac]

draft? i haven't been keeping up on current events very well, but aren't there more than enough volunteers for the army? didn't think they needed a draft

 

[Dalamari]

The draft has been going to "start up" since 2001.

 

[aeroripper]

There wont be one. Dont believe all the completely false rumors.

how do you know?

 

[ShadowFox]

The draft has been going to "start up" since 2001.

Exactly. There will not be a draft.

 

[aeroripper]

I dunno i was just trying to see the need for a draft... you would think that that would be very costly on the economy (we're all 200billion in debt just from iraq) and displace a LOT of jobs and homes

look a vietnam i really hope they learned from that

 

[ShadowFox]

There will not be a draft. It would be political suicide for either party.

 

[Icarusintel]

There's also the problem of funding, which would stop it before it even got drawn up, there's no way to fund it all, hell, they're having enough trouble funding the military currently, personally, though, I'm in college going through Army ROTC and I will be very glad to graduate and serve my country

 

[aeroripper]

Links:

http://www.counterpunch.org/levich06012004.html

http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/mandatory_draft.htm

there's lots more

don't worry i'm sure they would find a way to fund it *cough taxes... we're already picking up the ticket for the war in Iraq

 

[Korgoth]

There will not be a draft. It would be political suicide for either party.

Political suicide wouldn't matter if it were your last term now would it?

 

[ShadowFox]

Political suicide wouldn't matter if it were your last term now would it?

Notice I said party instead of candidate?

 

[Korgoth]

ah, I see. But the population isn't smart enough to hold a grudge against a party, only the man himself.

 

[ShadowFox]

ah, I see. But the population isn't smart enough to hold a grudge against a party, only the man himself.

You would be surprised.

 

[aeroripper]

Well what about the new "free speech zones" and patriot act laws... seems like their becoming well armed in dealing with any protests about the draft. I mean really what can you do to stop it? Go to canada i guess but then i think about it and this is the price you pay to trying to police the whole world to stay in power. The United States is an empire... although i think having our youth scattered all over the globe is going to destroy the infastructure of the country weaking us even furthur.

Just compare it to Rome... they had the biggest army in the world but then the emperors came and really started to screw things up (IIRC)...

also the checks and balances system doesn't work when all 3 branches are on the same side politcally with the same aims

 

[ShadowFox]

Well what about the new "free speech zones" and patriot act laws... seems like their becoming well armed in dealing with any protests about the draft. I mean really what can you do to stop it? Go to canada i guess but then i think about it and this is the price you pay to trying to police the whole world to stay in power. The United States is an empire

I find your lack of faith in the democratic process troubling.

#1. There will not be a draft
#2. If there was a draft, I would not flee to Canada like some pussy. I would fight for my country.

 

[Korgoth]

Well just remember folks, if there is a draft, you won't be going to school, or moving to canada. They've already thought that one through and ya' can't do that anymore. (unlike some people *cough* bush *cough).

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$28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system (sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

 

[clarky003]

god knows about the draft I hope you guy's dont get it, but I find this intresting, The New Pearl Harbour

http://www.counterpunch.org/estrin05252004.html

 

[seinfeldrules]

This whole draft thing was started by Charlie Rangle and other liberals in Congress. It is just a political ploy to scare people into thinking a draft is coming because of Bush's actions. Dont be fooled and blame this one on the Republicans. You neglected to list the sponsors of the Bills innerversion, what a suprise! Nor did you post a link so anyone could find them.

 

[ShadowFox]

Quite frankly, some folks think this country needs mandatory service. It is quite common and exists in Israel and Finland (others that I can't think of off the top of my head).

IMO, the youth of America needs a serious kick in the butt.

 

[seinfeldrules]

IMO, the youth of America needs a serious kick in the butt.

Who do you think makes up the majority of soldiers in Iraq right now? Dont judge so harshly.

 

[aeroripper]

I find your lack of faith in the democratic process troubling.

I find that the democratic process has taken a backseat to power of the elitists. You don't see the anti-war protestors running for president. Also if this country were fighting a JUST war then i would think differently. I consider WWII a just war because we were attacked neutrally (sp) by a nation. Now we were attacked non-neutrally (due to our numerous wheeling and dealings and chaos we've put in the middle east in the past decades)... and now want to spread our military to every "terrorist cell" in the world.

In the scenario of fleeing to canada doesn't make you a pussy FYI... it makes you a non-pussy for following your conscience even when your told you have to do something else.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I consider WWII a just war because we were attacked neutrally (sp) by a nation

Well we cut off Japan's oil and supplies leading up to the war, so it isnt a different as you think. We were definitely not neutral.

 

[gh0st]

IMO, the youth of America needs a serious kick in the butt.

agreed. its not an issue for me, really, because ill be joining the military either way. if im drafted, so be it.

the government doesnt want a draft (BUT TEHY DO FOR OIL LOL) because a volunteer army is much more professional, well trained, and more effective than a conscripted army.

 

[seinfeldrules]

agreed. its not an issue for me, really, because ill be joining the military either way.

I'd rather get my 4 years of ROTC first so I could go in as an officer

 

[ShadowFox]

Who do you think makes up the majority of soldiers in Iraq right now? Dont judge so harshly.

Well duh. But what percentage of young Americans are in Iraq?

My point is, mandatory service is something that has worked well in other areas. It provides a constant supply of troops, and could, perhaps result in better citizens coming out of the program.

I don't necessarily support such a thing, but it shouldn't be scoffed at immediately.

 

[gh0st]

I'd rather get my 4 years of ROTC first so I could go in as an officer

ideally thats what i'm doing as well.

 

[aeroripper]

Well we cut off Japan's oil and supplies leading up to the war, so it isnt a different as you think. We were definitely not neutral.

well officially we were "neutral"... but IIRC we helped the allies with supplies and stuff secretly before we were officially in

 

[Korgoth]

Gh0st I request you remove this:

"Getting a Purple Heart for rice stuck in your ass is like going home from school because your nose itches."

You claim to support troops yet you say crap like this! This is a slap in the face of our military, and why don't you say something about the peolpe who didn't even serve in vietnam. Please take that out, if you support our troops as you say you do, you would know how honorable a purple heart is. The sacrifice it takes to get one.

 

[ShadowFox]

In the scenario of fleeing to canada doesn't make you a pussy FYI... it makes you a non-pussy for following your conscience even when your told you have to do something else.

Are you seriously telling me that people would be avoiding service due to their beliefs? HA! That may be a small part, but the main reason is they have lived pampered lives and they don't want to make a sacrifice and put themselves in danger for the country that has provided so much for them.

I find the very idea insulting to those who have risked their lives over the decades for the life we live now.

 

[gh0st]

Gh0st I request you remove this:

"Getting a Purple Heart for rice stuck in your ass is like going home from school because your nose itches."

You claim to support troops yet you say crap like this! This is a slap in the face of our military, and why don't you say something about the peolpe who didn't even serve in vietnam. Please take that out, if you support our troops as you say you do, you would know how honorable a purple heart is. The sacrifice it takes to get one.

kerry's sacrifice? yes, extreme. if it bothers you, i will remove it.

 

[poseyjmac]

if i get drafted, just give me a weapon that doesn't jam and i won't complain

 

[Korgoth]

Thank you. Say whatever you want about his politics, say whatever you want about his person. But if you going to make fun of a man who actually SERVED in vietnam, then thats a little far off in my book. But thank you.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Are you seriously telling me that people would be avoiding service due to their beliefs? HA! That may be a small part, but the main reason is they have lived pampered lives and they don't want to make a sacrifice and put themselves in danger for the country that has provided so much for them.

I find the very idea insulting to those who have risked their lives over the decades for the life we live now.

I agree 100%.

*cough Clinton cough*

 

[ShadowFox]

I agree 100%.

*cough Clinton cough*

Boy, you republicans sure are obsessed with a man who hasn't been in charge in four year.

 

[Korgoth]

Clinton admits he dodged the draft. What about bush and cheney?

 

[aeroripper]

Are you seriously telling me that people would be avoiding service due to their beliefs? HA! That may be a small part, but the main reason is they have lived pampered lives and they don't want to make a sacrifice and put themselves in danger for the country that has provided so much for them.

I find the very idea insulting to those who have risked their lives over the decades for the life we live now.

The life we live now? Being told lies by "our" government that we have to go to war because a country has wmd based on very loose information.

Risking my life for capital gain? Are we being invaded?

I suppose it could be bad... i could have no job, starving to death, and have little shelter like other areas of the world. But i have to receive the hate that the world has for us now due to this whole war?

Domestically the things this country has done for me? Welfare being phased out, social security being spent on government projects, "no children left behind" policy which does more to hurt schools than help

Sure we live under the pretense that we are "free" but those freedoms are drying up gradually everyday (read patriot acts for example)... growing gap between rich and poor etc...

We have a functional state governments that give us police protection locally. etc etc

I can go to europe and have many (if not more) of our "freedoms" that so many people think is unique to our society.

EDIT to post above: Bush got into the texas national guard from a friend that helped wealthy people of a prominent nature (bush's dad) get out of the draft... also i DO think war records is an issue when your the COMMANDER IN CHIEF

 

[ShadowFox]

Clinton admits he dodged the draft.

You're right, he does.

The funny thing is, nobody cared four years ago. Now it is a hot button issue, which is a shame since there are real issues that should be discussed instead.

 

[Korgoth]

You're right, he does.

The funny thing is, nobody cared four years ago. Now it is a hot button issue, which is a shame since there are real issues that should be discussed instead.

You are right, I agree. There are more pressing issues that this campaign should be about than war records.