US national draft next year?

[FoB_Ed]

If they do have the draft, I'm turning 18 next year :eek


oh well, I'll do what i have to

 

[ShadowFox]

If they do have the draft, I'm turning 18 next year :eek


oh well, I'll do what i have to

I can respect that. I am turning 18 next year as well and I have the same thoughts.

There won't be a draft though.

 

[aeroripper]

they are making money from the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. its not like the "private contractors" are looting iraq so they can stay afloat. these companies like GE, and others.

yes, i was speaking about making money off Iraq by building opportunities and contracts, not by looting iraq. Their capatlizing on the fact that Iraq is in chaos from us deciding to just overthrow saddam without a clear plan on what to do next.

And the bush administration is looking to make money from Iraq under the facade of giving "american freedom" to them while really scoring oil contracts and such.

Also the Iraq issue should set an example for the rest of the "war on terror" that we have created and brought more terrorists to iraq than there ever have been.

 

[gh0st]

yes, i was speaking about making money off Iraq by building opportunities and contracts, not by looting iraq. Their capatlizing on the fact that Iraq is in chaos from us deciding to just overthrow saddam without a clear plan on what to do next.

And the bush administration is looking to make money from Iraq under the facade of giving "american freedom" to them while really scoring oil contracts and such.

no clear plan? i see a reasonably stable government, most utilities now in place (where there were before anyawy) and a dying insurgency. all this in under 2 years, is damn good. lets get one thing straight though: you dont know a damn thing about bush's "agenda'". all you say is speculation that bush is trying to make some cash there. if you can provide any proof he's looking to make money, by all means.

oh.. oil contracts. like russia france and germany? interesting.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

 

[seinfeldrules]

but only 40 % voted

I would like to see some stats to back this up. I know it isnt very high, but 40% seems a little low. Dont bother with any commondreams type sites.

if you can provide any proof he's looking to make money, by all means.

Again, I dont want to be reading from some liberal fringe site.

 

[FoxDie]

And the bush administration is looking to make money from Iraq under the facade of giving "american freedom" to them while really scoring oil contracts and such.

Well that would be a war for control of oil, not money. We've put so much money into Iraq, I don't think we can make it back, even if we did somehow pocket oil money.

 

[aeroripper]

would you rather we didnt defend our soldiers from terrorism in iraq? as in any war, civilian buildings are hit, destroyed, civilians die. and as i said earlier, those contatractors recieve their paychecks from us. not iraq.

This wasn't an accidental mishap of a bomb going off course. These buildings were TARGETED as legitimate military targets. And let me know how you fill if the same thing happened to you in your home. I'm sure your perspective on civilians dying in a war would change in a snap.

 

[gh0st]

This wasn't an accidental mishap of a bomb going off course. These buildings were TARGETED as legitimate military targets. And let me know how you fill if the same thing happens to your home.

my apartment building wouldent have terrorists in it. again, your just trying to vomit propoganda up, and its meaningless unless you provide a link.

I would like to see some stats to back this up. I know it isnt very high, but 40% seems a little low. Dont bother with any commondreams type sites.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/2000turnout/reg&to00.htm
51%.

 

[aeroripper]

Well that would be a war for control of oil, not money. We've put so much money into Iraq, I don't think we can make it back, even if we did somehow pocket oil money.

Control of oil = money. You can sell it for whatever markup you want around the world.

my apartment building wouldent have terrorists in it. again, your just trying to vomit propoganda up, and its meaningless unless you provide a link.

I read it on the paper but i can't find a link online for it.

YOU WIN THIS ROUND :flame:

 

[TinyKilbasa]

Most likely there will be no draft. We have (or had) more than enough people volunteer.

 

[gh0st]

Control of oil = money. You can sell it for whatever markup you want around the world.

woo woo here comes the clue train, last stop you (ty maddox). would it be BUSH selling all this oil around the world? pocketing the money for himself? of course not. could he sell it for whatever he wanted? of course not, because then no on ewould buy. these are called the laws of supply and demand, and you learn them in about the third grade.

but...guess who would profit from selling IRAQS OIL. brace yourself for this... the iraqi people! yay!

 

[ShadowFox]

Until there is a real movement for other energy sources, I'd rather see our oil come from Iraq than ANWAR.

I aeroripper has ignored my posts. Come back when you get some factual material.

 

[gh0st]

Until there is a real movement for other energy sources, I'd rather see our oil come from Iraq than ANWAR.

I aeroripper has ignored my posts. Come back when you get some factual material.

he didnt give me any facts either, but he sure likes to concede a lot.

 

[aeroripper]

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=887

good read on US middle east foreign policy

woo woo here comes the clue train, last stop you (ty maddox). would it be BUSH selling all this oil around the world? pocketing the money for himself? of course not. could he sell it for whatever he wanted? of course not, because then no on ewould buy. guess who would profit from selling IRAQS OIL. brace yourself for this... IRAQ.

Yes but it would also give the US more indirect control of what prices we get the oil for, rather than OPEC moderating it.

 

[gh0st]

Yes but it would also give the US more indirect control of what prices we get the oil for, rather than OPEC moderating it.

how much of our total domestic oil consumption comes from iraq? 30%? 20? 10? try FIVE PERCENT [http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm#_ftn32] of oil comes from iraq, even under the oil for food program. iraq is the sixth largest oil supplier. ANWAR has much more lucrative oil, which can be obtained without any war.

moreover: there are countries much weaker with much more oil supplies. see the drift?

 

[aeroripper]

yea yea yea your smarter then me and i screwed up .. FINE

Lets get back to talking about the draft... like how men and women will hafta be drafted instead of just men. Not that that's bad just how its different than before.

 

[CptStern]

I'm tired of this argument

with all the mounting evidence that the justifications are a sham there's still a segment of you that are unwavering in your resolve to believe america did the right thing. I certainly wont change your mind, I dont think bush openly admitting that it was a sham would change your mind, nothing but an act of god would break your steadfast belief that america can do no wrong. You'll ignore facts, sidestep issues, and attack the messenger instead of the message. It's frustrating to say the least. It's tantamount to someone putting their hands over their ears and shouting while someone is trying to talk to them.

 

[seinfeldrules]

nothing but an act of god would break your steadfast belief that america can do no wrong.

1. I didnt think you believed in God.

2. I dont think anything, but an act of God, could change your mind that the USA isnt an awful monster that is run by imperialist fools.

You'll ignore facts, sidestep issues, and attack the messenger instead of the message.

Hypocrite

It's frustrating to say the least. It's tantamount to someone putting their hands over their ears and shouting while someone is trying to talk to them.

I feel the same when responding to your posts.

 

[CyberSh33p]

Perhaps we should just compromise. Send all the pro-draft people over to the middle east and leave the rest of us alone. there'd be enough of em.

 

[Korgoth]

Perhaps we should just compromise. Send all the pro-draft people over to the middle east and leave the rest of us alone. there'd be enough of em.

Best Post Yet.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Perhaps we should just compromise. Send all the pro-draft people over to the middle east and leave the rest of us alone. there'd be enough of em.

Then, perhaps, we could ship all you draft dodgers to NK and allow you to see what it is like without the freedom America and its troops provide for you.

 

[Korgoth]

Then, perhaps, we could ship all you draft dodgers to NK and allow you to see what it is like without the freedom America and its troops provide for you.

Whats the difference, either way you would die needlessly, its not like iraq was stealing our freedom.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Whats the difference, either way you would die needlessly, its not like iraq was stealing our freedom.

Not true. First off, you would most likely not die in Iraq. Put 1000 from Iraq up against 55,000 dead from Vietnam. Secondly, you would die fighting an honorable death for your country, not wallowing under some dictator you thought wasnt so bad. Finally, you forget the intelligence that pointed Bush (and the world) to believe Iraq had WMD. If Saddam had felt inclined he could have easily given it to terrorists to hit the USA.

 

[CptStern]

1. I didnt think you believed in God.

2. I dont think anything, but an act of God, could change your mind that the USA isnt an awful monster that is run by imperialist fools.


Hypocrite


I feel the same when responding to your posts.

you proved every one of my points, thanks :E

 

[seinfeldrules]

you proved every one of my points, thanks

Sure, you proved all mine as well

 

[ShadowFox]

I'm tired of this argument

with all the mounting evidence that the justifications are a sham there's still a segment of you that are unwavering in your resolve to believe america did the right thing. I certainly wont change your mind, I dont think bush openly admitting that it was a sham would change your mind, nothing but an act of god would break your steadfast belief that america can do no wrong. You'll ignore facts, sidestep issues, and attack the messenger instead of the message. It's frustrating to say the least. It's tantamount to someone putting their hands over their ears and shouting while someone is trying to talk to them.

What does the validity of the war in Iraq have to do with instituting a draft?

 

[CptStern]

Sure, you proved all mine as well

"I know what you are but what am i?"

 

[CptStern]

What does the validity of the war in Iraq have to do with instituting a draft?

what does that have to do with what I said?

 

[seinfeldrules]

"I know what you are but what am i?"

A liberal.

 

[CptStern]

bwahahahha

a label?

i love how you guys have me all figured out:

"oh he's just a liberal commie hippie, cant take him seriously he's for same sex marriage and legalizing the devil weed"

disclaimer: may or not be true

 

[aeroripper]

Perhaps we should just compromise. Send all the pro-draft people over to the middle east and leave the rest of us alone. there'd be enough of em.

into the sig it goes :-P

 

[ShadowFox]

what does that have to do with what I said?

It is actually directly refering to what you said.

 

[seinfeldrules]

he's for same sex marriage

True.

legalizing the devil weed

Most likely not true.

oh he's just a liberal commie hippie

And, cant forget this one, true.

 

[ShadowFox]

I don't think he cares.. it is already legal up there.

 

[aeroripper]

the devil weed? weed is devil? i don't get it

 

[CptStern]

It is actually directly refering to what you said.

ummm come again? who? what? where?, seriously you lost me


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[CptStern]

I don't think he cares.. it is already legal up there.

oh noes!!11 it's the land of the heathens!

 

[ShadowFox]

sigh..

I'm tired of arguing about it too.

Just make sure you don't put me into your catagory. I do not support the war in Iraq. I am in fact rather liberal but in comparison to you guys I am a diehard conservative.

I would vote for Kerry if I were of voting age as well.

 

[seinfeldrules]

seinfeldrules:


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If the shoe fits....

Just make sure you don't put me into your catagory. I do not support the war in Iraq. I am in fact rather liberal but in comparison to you guys I am a diehard conservative.

I would have to agree. Its much more enjoyable debating with someone like yourself because we can find many more middle grounds.

 

[CptStern]

sigh..

I'm tired of arguing about it too.

Just make sure you don't put me into your catagory. I do not support the war in Iraq. I am in fact rather liberal but in comparison to you guys I am a diehard conservative.

I would vote for Kerry if I were of voting age as well.

YOU MEAN AFTER ALL THIS YOU CANT VOTE!!!!!!!???????







all those months of trying to get you to see the light ...wasted



btw seinfeldrules I suspect you have less in common with shadowfox than you think