US soldier admits mercy killing Iraqi teen

[Eg.]

see, we republicans hate clinton, we think hes an ass, so by saying he did bad, we like that

and what situation have we created in Afganistan?

 

[Kangy]

see, we republicans hate clinton, we think hes an ass, so by saying he did bad, we like that

and what situation have we created in Afganistan?

The fact it's a breeding ground for terrorism, a place of great poverty and it now produces over 3/4 of the worlds opium?

 

[seinfeldrules]

oh and diverting blame on saddam doesnt work cuz we all know he was a murderous tyrant, what's america's excuse?

He spent all the money that could have helped the Iraqi people on his gold plated palaces, and you blame us? Our shipments couldnt reach the Iraqi people because Saddam sent them to the blackmarket. Fast forward a few years when we remove him from power, and you bitch about us doing that. Jeesh, its a no win situation with you.

 

[CptStern]

He spent all the money that could have helped the Iraqi people on his gold plated palaces, and you blame us?

so in other words you're washing your hands of all responsibility?

Our shipments couldnt reach the Iraqi people because Saddam sent them to the blackmarket.

nope, everything was handled by the coalition

 

[seinfeldrules]

All those links were 1999. By that time, Saddam probably had his fifth palace built using the 10+ billion dollars he stole from the Iraqi people using the oil for food program.

so in other words you're washing your hands of all responsibility?

No more so then the rest of the world who stood by and did nothing. I am ashamed it took this long to remove him from power, and so should you.

 

[RTFMy]

I think some people are a bit to quick to judge our american soldiers on the battle field right now. Put yourself in their shoes (the guys that see action) they are given orders, they are also getting shot at. Wouldn't you panic a bit if you were being shot at? I don't completely agree with the "law" against mercy killing, especially in Iraq. It's not like they have great hospitals and surgeons in Iraq, so if he looked pretty bad that it was very likely for him to die, why not put him out of his misery.

I know this isn't very well written, but i'm friggin' tired and on my way to bed!

 

[The Silhouette]

"You are not a soldier, you have not been to war, there fore you can not judge me"

That says it, you have no seen a true warzone, you have no idea the emotions or tribulations soldiers go through everyday. You can not judge them until you've walked in their shoes.

 

[CptStern]

really? so that justifies murder?

 

[seinfeldrules]

At least we prosecute our criminals instead of celebrating them.

 

[CptStern]

who's celebrating?

 

[seinfeldrules]

These people, to name a few

Again, America does its best to weed out our problems. Cant say the same for the 'people' we are fighting.

 

[CptStern]

we were talking about iraq ..so you want to explain how saddam is tied to 9/11?

 

[seinfeldrules]

we were talking about iraq ..so you want to explain how saddam is tied to 9/11?

I was talking about the celebration of criminals. In America we prosectue, in other parts of the globe they celebrate.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Stern, he's right you know. ...

 

[CptStern]

I was talking about the celebration of criminals. In America we prosectue, in other parts of the globe they celebrate.

bullshit

bullshit

bullshit

 

[seinfeldrules]

Is he American? You cite 2 people. I could cite thousands. I also love it how you post that picture without understanding the details behind it.

 

[CptStern]

Is he American? You cite 2 people. I could cite thousands.

who allawi? he's supported by america, they put him in power, just like they helped saddam ..btw you could cite thousands, I can give you examples in the hundreds of thousands killed by american intervention

I also love it how you post that picture without understanding the details behind it.

:upstare: you accusing me of not doing my research? LoL!

btw here's the rest of the link ..have you read it? I have, in fact I've brought up many of the points in the article time and again

In America we prosectue

bullshit

do the research

 

[seinfeldrules]

Stern we are prosecuting our own soldiers who commited crimes in Iraq.

he's supported by america, they put him in power

With approval by the UN, and possibly the Iraqi people in a few days. The US never helped to put Saddam in power.

btw here's the rest of the link ..have you read it? I have, in fact I've brought up many of the points in the article time and again

Check Wilkepedia. They didnt even discuss WMD.

 

[CptStern]

Stern we are prosecuting our own soldiers who commited crimes in Iraq.

really? I'd be pissed off if I were you ..I mean, they charge american soldiers yet pardon a known terrorist with over a hundred atrocities to his name ...seems rather hypocritical if you ask me

With approval by the UN, and possibly the Iraqi people in a few days.

the iraqi people hate him, he's a tyrant, terrorist and a thug ..if he wins, it wont be because it's the whim of the iraqi people

The US never helped to put Saddam in power.

do the research, find out how the cia paved the way for saddam's rise to power

Check Wilkepedia. They didnt even discuss WMD.

read the article it talks about how the US vetoed Iran's resolution to charge saddam with crimes against humanity

 

[K e r b e r o s]

do the research, find out how the cia paved the way for saddam's rise to power

So, is our foreign policy deplorable because Dr.Who cannot readily provide us with a, "Into the Future blasting Middle-Eastern Crisis Machine?"

Oh shoot, the CIA did it ... but meanwhile a string of genetic blab wrapped on a Sperm, and huge pink egg with more genetic blab, smacked together to form some random American who had nothing to do with those events.

Is he guilty for not using good Foreign Policy? Quiet clearly, he invaded the eggs space later -- but he had too. Right?

 

[CptStern]

So, is our foreign policy deplorable because Dr.Who cannot readily provide us with a, "Into the Future blasting Middle-Eastern Crisis Machine?"

Oh shoot, the CIA did it ... but meanwhile a string of genetic blab wrapped on a Sperm, and huge pink egg with more genetic blab, smacked together to form some random American who had nothing to do with those events.

Is he guilty for not using good Foreign Policy? Quiet clearly, he invaded the eggs space later -- but he had too. Right?

kerberos, you never ever bring anything to these debates. Why do you waste our time? Either stay on the topic at hand or shut up ..it's just annoying spam

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, its a metaphorical question. You prompted it like besides the CIA, every middle-american soccer mom knew and supported what went on. If indeed something like the CIA brought Saddam into power, dont you'd think they'd know how to take him out?

Besides, I bring a lot to these debates. ^^ Like me. I'm a lot to deal with.

 

[seinfeldrules]

really? I'd be pissed off if I were you ..I mean, they charge american soldiers yet pardon a known terrorist with over a hundred atrocities to his name ...seems rather hypocritical if you ask me

If he had killed American citizens then I would be pissed.

he iraqi people hate him, he's a tyrant, terrorist and a thug ..if he wins, it wont be because it's the whim of the iraqi people

Just like the American people hated Bush, right? We all know how that turned out. I hope your arrogance leads to your downfall for the third election running.

do the research, find out how the cia paved the way for saddam's rise to power

Posted already, and there is no mention of this in any other source that I could find. EX. Wilkepedia, Encarta, etc.

read the article it talks about how the US vetoed Iran's resolution to charge saddam with crimes against humanity

And then we allowed one to pass in the late 80s... It was posted in the other thread. You also just changed the topic, we were discussing the Rumsfeld picture. During that meeting, nothing about WMD came up. Refer to wilkepedia.

Uh oh, FDR and Churchill with Stalin! Should have burned the bastards!

 

[KoreBolteR]

Look basically, Iraqi people want a Normal country, and they CERTAINLY didnt have that with Saddam stealing all their rightous money and funding it to terrorists and his iraqi army.

ATM iraqi hate the west, but they ALSO hate the terrorists, but because they are fearing the Terrorists more than the Coalition, they tend to "praise" the terrorists, and later on join them or be killed. trust me its a fact.

 

[CptStern]

Look basically, Iraqi people want a Normal country, and they CERTAINLY didnt have that with Saddam stealing all their rightous money and funding it to terrorists and his iraqi army.

that's just not true ..saddam may have been a tyrant and a murderous madman but he was also responsible for bringing many reforms to what used to be a fundamentalist government. Nowhere in the middle east but iraq did women hold jobs, go to school, wear the clothes they wanted and have rights that just didnt exist in any other middle eastern country. The west paints a decidely different picture of saddam now, then when he was an ally and friend ..he literally did his worst when he had support from the west

most of the people he slughtered were political opponents ..whether real or imaginary

ATM iraqi hate the west, but they ALSO hate the terrorists, but because they are fearing the Terrorists more than the Coalition, they tend to "praise" the terrorists, and later on join them or be killed. trust me its a fact.

they hate the west because they see how their once rich nation has been bombed back to the stone age. They also are still angry over 12 years of crippling sanctions

 

[CptStern]

If he had killed American citizens then I would be pissed.

seinfeldrules your bias is extremely disgusting ..he killed 73 innocent civilians when he bombed a cuban airlines passenger plane ..but I guess anyone who's not american is subhuman to you

Just like the American people hated Bush, right? We all know how that turned out. I hope your arrogance leads to your downfall for the third election running.

it's not the same ..Allawi is seen as a US stooge and muderous terrorist ...exactly how saddam was seen

Posted already, and there is no mention of this in any other source that I could find. EX. Wilkepedia, Encarta, etc.

you really should search out more sources

And then we allowed one to pass in the late 80s... It was posted in the other thread. You also just changed the topic, we were discussing the Rumsfeld picture. During that meeting, nothing about WMD came up. Refer to wilkepedia.[/url]

did you even bother to read why rumsfeld was there?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

seinfeldrules your bias is extremely disgusting ..he killed 73 innocent civilians when he bombed a cuban airlines passenger plane ..but I guess anyone who's not american is subhuman to you

Who's he?

it's not the same ..Allawi is seen as a US stooge and muderous terrorist ...exactly how saddam was seen

He's seen as a murderous terrorist by terrorists. Either thats really bad, or really good.

However, then who do we put into power -- and one that will not jeopardize Iraq's state of Nationalism, into providing for Iran?

 

[CptStern]

Who's he?

dont just jump in mid thread

He's seen as a murderous terrorist by terrorists. Either thats really bad, or really good.

really? is that why he claimed responsiblity for bombing a school bus full of children?

However, then who do we put into power -- and one that will not jeopardize Iraq's state of Nationalism, into providing for Iran?

who do we?? I thought you were there to install democracy? if you choose who's to be the leader then it's not a democracy is it?

 

[Top Secret]

dont just jump in mid thread

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAAHHAHAH!!!!!

You mean he's supposed to wait until the thread is either locked, or he was supposed to have been the first poster before he makes his post?

I thought you were there to install democracy? if you choose who's to be the leader then it's not a democracy is it?

I do not believe he stated that we were going to. I think he was trying to make a point. You're putting words in people's mouths.

 

[CptStern]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAAHHAHAH!!!!!

You mean he's supposed to wait until the thread is either locked, or he was supposed to have been the first poster before he makes his post?

ummmmmmm ..I meant "read the thread before jumping in mid thought" :upstare:

I do not believe he stated that we were going to. I think he was trying to make a point. You're putting words in people's mouths.

yes, yes he did ..read the threads: Allawi is a CIA stooge, he's also the current PM ...who put him in power?

 

[Top Secret]

ummmmmmm ..I meant "read the thread before jumping in mid thought" :upstare:





yes, yes he did ..read the threads: Allawi is a CIA stooge, he's also the current PM ...who put him in power?

Who put him in power? Why, we did, ofcourse. Who else? The people of Iraq? That's what we're trying to get them to do, so until then, I don't see whos say should matter. Who do you think should choose who to put in power until the people have voted? Oh, hell. [ sarcasm]Let's let France choose.[/sarcasm] Once the people vote, and choose their leader of choice, they shall recieve. But until that time, OBVIOUSLY we're going to put someone there as a place-holder. You act like we're some supreme evil because we put someone in power until everything gets sorted out. :|

 

[CptStern]

Who put him in power? Why, we did, ofcourse. Who else?

so in other words you support putting into office a known terrorist?

The people of Iraq? That's what we're trying to get them to do, so until then, I don't see whos say should matter.

so in the meantime you put into power a terrorist and murderer? double standard:

"If You Harbor Terrorists, You Are a Terrorist” - G W Bush

Let's let France choose.

:upstare: really, this france bashing thing is tiresome ..it really just shows your ignorance and does nothing to lend credence to your argument

You act like we're some supreme evil because we put someone in power until everything gets sorted out. :|

nope, I just think there's a double standard here ..it's not ok for other countries to harbor terrorists but the US is immune? double standard

 

[Top Secret]

You're putting words in my mouth again.

First, I'm going to address the French statement:

How the **** is that bashing? It was an example. I could have just as easily said Iceland or Mexico. I was simply stating that no one else is in position to choose someone to put into power as of now. You called me ignorant when you didn't even see my point? Stop shoving shit down my throat.

Second.

"so in the meantime you put into power a terrorist and murderer? double standard:"

Me? No. I didn't put him in power, my goverment did. And I'm going to go with "the otherside's arguement" and say that one poeple's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. He tried to take out Saddam's regime and defected. Obviously he's going to be loyal. Tell me, you think Osama would be a better choice, if we could find the bastard?

Three:

You said "he claimed responsiblity for bombing a school bus full of children?"

The article never states that. In fact, all it says, according to former CIA agents, that Allawi's organisation, the INA did it. Which is kind of like blaming the Queen of England for an SAS operative blowing up the Empire State Building. Once again, this is all after Allawi was working with the CIA, obviously he wasn't calling the shots. I don't know where you got "Claimed responsiblity" out of that article, could you point that out to me? I'm a rather slow reader.

 

[KoreBolteR]

that's just not true ..saddam may have been a tyrant and a murderous madman but he was also responsible for bringing many reforms to what used to be a fundamentalist government. Nowhere in the middle east but iraq did women hold jobs, go to school, wear the clothes they wanted and have rights that just didnt exist in any other middle eastern country. The west paints a decidely different picture of saddam now, then when he was an ally and friend ..he literally did his worst when he had support from the west

That doesnt change the fact that he was a murderous madman.
It doesnt matter how good a tyrant he was, the bottom line is, He killed people, and he was mad, self absorbed, and vein, jus look at all the posters he had round iraq in 2000. That my friend was to make the people feel isolated, and trapped from his manic "government"

most of the people he slughtered were political opponents ..whether real or imaginary

lol, thats no excuse, theyre ALL human beings, and plus .. thats not true, he killed loads of kurdish iraqis with his good ol friend chemical ali few yrs back... and what do you mean by imaginary?
its ALL real.

they hate the west because they see how their once rich nation has been bombed back to the stone age. They also are still angry over 12 years of crippling sanctions

LOL m8, it was in the stone age before any coalition step foot there OR before the war at all, did i tell you that Saddam stole the oil money and spent it on himself annd HIS army, not to mention terrorists. and kept all the money from the Iraqi people.
prove me wrong. :dozey:

 

[Top Secret]

Hey, Cpt Stern, I've got a question. How come you don't mind that Saddam killed thousands of people? "But he brought reforms" etc etc? However, Allawi is *possibly* connected with the death of 100 civilians and he is instantly evil? Is it because he's on the US side? Do you have some gripe with the United States? Because it seems like very political discussion here, you turn it into "How the US is evil" by Cpt. Stern. I don't understand. Riddle me that.

 

[KoreBolteR]

the terrorists can do anything they want, kill innocent people, and when they do, nobody says a thing about it!

BUT when the Coalition kill innocent people by mistake, you all go nuts, whats the big deal? i dont see people moaning about terrorists killing people, jus moaning at coalition

 

[Top Secret]

the terrorists can do anything they want, kill innocent people, and when they do, nobody says a thing about it!

BUT when the Coalition kill innocent people by mistake, you all go nuts, whats the big deal? i dont see people moaning about terrorists killing people, jus moaning at coalition

That's what I was thinking too. :|

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Your not the only one. Its an age old question ... really.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Your not the only one. Its an age old question ... really.

then why is people still moaning about the Coalition then? they jus want to try and make people hate the west even more(refurring to russia, france and middle east) i cnat understand it tbh ....really

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The Middle-East was a fallback plan of the 1960's Communist Russia. See, the Russian's could'nt risk attacking in through Europe. The United States, Britain, France, Western Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium, etc. would've jumped at the chance to stop Soviet Progress.

So, the communist instead tried to wage a psychological war. In doing that, they failed in Europe to instill Communist parties that were at least, succesful in achieving Governmental posts.

So, then they tried the Middle-East. With the Six-Day war, the Russian's were able to profit off of everything. Recruiters for the Communist regime, oversaw the recruitment of terrorists, and sale of weapons.

During the first Gulf War, Military Advisors from Russia oversaw how their equipment performed. In the six-day war, Russian weapons were either smashed, or ill equiped.

The only stand those T-54's and T-55's made, was on the Golan heights, after which, the Israeli's captured. What does this all have to do with Russia?

Russia has been funding the Islamo-Fasso movements; unfortunately, we all caused the Israel thing by not establishing a free jewish state from within Germany. So, the Middle-East was a fall back plan to distract and divert American power. It has been for a while now, but I imagine Russia has no more use of it now.

At least, for now anyway ...

The Six-Day war was another Cold War chess piece. The Russians were using their weapons against us -- it was a Sudo skirmish, just without their responsibility ... because they were'nt the ones behind the tanks or fighters.