Vice Presidential Debate

[ATI4EVER!]

I'm a democrat and well, honestly I think that edwardds is winning, but boy is cheney doing good, at least compared to Bush, but that's no challenge. ! lol.

 

[Stereo]

Good point Tim. But I would have to argue that they are both doing pretty lousy at this debate.

 

[Stereo]

Look! Look! It's going up!

 

[P Meister Flex]

In the Iraq discussion, Cheney would manipulate facts, such as the fact that the americans are taking 90 percent of the coalition casualties, instead, he factored in the amount of iraqi soldiers and policemen and civillians dying, and factored that into the equation

 

[Korgoth]

ah see, that was the republican plot. Have bush pretend to do a horrible job, and have cheney do the best he can, in retrospect it'll look like cheney won. Even if he didn't. Its teh conspiracy. And this moderator is a bytch.

 

[Stereo]

Overall this is a very boring debate. But, Vice-President debates have never determined an outcome of a Presidental Election.

 

[gh0st]

In the Iraq discussion, Cheney would manipulate facts, such as the fact that the americans are taking 90 percent of the coalition casualties, instead, he factored in the amount of iraqi soldiers and policemen and civillians dying, and factored that into the equation

i see no reason iraqis shouldent be factored in, its their country, they are willing to die for it the same i am.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Look! Look! It's going up!

no you fool, it is my post count that must climb heavenward!

oh btw, um it's www.factcheck.org .. all savvy intarweb users must veto the cheney ticket for his com/org flip-flopery!!!

EDIT!

i see no reason iraqis shouldent be factored in, its their country, they are willing to die for it the same i am.

the point that edwards didn't make clearly was that he said 90% of the coalition casualties have been americans, and in that sense, he is of course right. it is a bit of semantics though.

 

[Neutrino]

Moderator: "What's wrong with a little flip flopping?"

What kind of questions are these? I think they should be worded better to be more impartial.

 

[Spiffae]

i see no reason iraqis shouldent be factored in, its their country, they are willing to die for it the same i am.

they are not members of the coalition!

simple as that. as edwards clarified, 90% of coalition casualties are american. how hard is that to understand?

 

[Stereo]

they are not members of the coalition!

simple as that. as edwards clarified, 90% of coalition casualties are american. how hard is that to understand?

I agree.

 

[gh0st]

the point that edwards didn't make clearly was that he said 90% of the coalition casualties have been americans, and in that sense, he is of course right. it is a bit of semantics though.

ah, not paying attention. if a statistic was done in this respect though, minus the wordery, i think that the iraqis should be factored in.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

as edwards clarified, 90% of coalition casualties are american. how hard is that to understand?

edwards is not doing so will on the clarity issue, unfortunately. he could have done a much better job drawing that distinction.

 

[Stereo]

In Kerry's defense, Flip-Flopping is human nature. If you get new information about what your doing is wrong, then you should change your mind.

In Bush's defense, Kerry does appear to Flip-Flop when it serves them better.

In both party's defense, this moderator sucks.

 

[Stereo]

edwards is not doing so will on the clarity issue, unfortunately. he could have done a much better job drawing that distinction.

I understood what he meant.

 

[gh0st]

Kerry does appear to Flip-Flop when it serves them better.

he looks at the polls, and changes his stance as appropriate. its sound strategy, just doesnt make sense for a president.

 

[Ames]

What just happened?....

 

[P Meister Flex]

oh yeah, goddamnit women suck at moderating

 

[Stereo]

That's what you get from public broadcasting. Seesh.

 

[gh0st]

oh yeah, goddamnit women suck at moderating

yeah especially black woman moderators

 

[Stereo]

I hope the closing arguments are better.

 

[ATI4EVER!]

woah?! not cool to say that!

 

[Lil' Timmy]

I understood what he meant.

*presents cookie* unfortunately you have to understand that many americans are too dim/hyper to pick up on something unless they are bludgeoned with it repeatedly. b/c of this, i think edwards needed to be more forceful with his point. however, i don't think this point is really that important to warrant the several posts, but post counts are of course a considreation.

 

[P Meister Flex]

look dude, she is clearly incompetant, put that dude who moderated the first debate on, and youll have a more structured, less bias debate

 

[Lil' Timmy]

especially black women, female moderators..

(gh0st was being ironical, btw, quite funny actually)

EDIT BYATCH!!!!!!

ohhh DIS! cheney didn't thank edwards in reciprocation!

 

[Spiffae]

damn, Edwards can give a good closing statement.

 

[Neutrino]

In Kerry's defense, Flip-Flopping is human nature. If you get new information about what your doing is wrong, then you should change your mind.

In Bush's defense, Kerry does appear to Flip-Flop when it serves them better.

In both party's defense, this moderator sucks.

We had a debate earlier about the "flip flop" accusations.

It's here if you want to read it:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41162&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Statement

To specifically address the accusation that Kerry flip flopped on the Iraq issues I made this post about this speech before the Iraq war and his position now.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=811118&postcount=96

 

[Stereo]

Good Point Edwards. The Middle Class is what has always made America great. But overall, as a trial lawyer Mr. Edwards, poor closing.

 

[gh0st]

damn, Edwards can give a good closing statement.

honestly... flickering light? yes america is close to collapse.

look dude, she is clearly incompetant, put that dude who moderated the first debate on, and youll have a more structured, less bias debate

the moderator doesnt just pull these questions out of her ass, they were all pre approved by the respective campaigns, or by her bosses.

 

[Letters]

he looks at the polls, and changes his stance as appropriate. its sound strategy, just doesnt make sense for a president.

You mean he actually listens to the people?! No way! :O


That is, even if what you said was true.

 

[Stereo]

damn, Edwards can give a good closing statement.

Really? I thought a trial lawyer could have done better.

 

[gh0st]

You mean he actually listens to the people?! No way! :O

you dont sacrifice what you believe is right because the fickle mob says no. thats a whole different argument though. yes it is true, it wouldent be such a big issue if it was blatantly false.

 

[Neutrino]

Damnit, the internet broadcast cut off before it ended. Stupid yahoo.

 

[seinfeldrules]

No kidding. I wish they'd drop the attempts at personal attacks and talk about the issues. Personal attacks that aren't relevant to the issues at hand just muddy the water and make it more difficult to make an informed decision in my opinion.

Ah really, coming from someone on this board, a liberal none the less, that is suprising.

amount of iraqi soldiers and policemen and civillians dying, and factored that into the equation

The Iraqi policemen and soldiers should definitely be factored in. Are you kidding me?

 

[merc]

all i know is cheney and bush = teh winnage!

-merc

 

[KidRock]

Ah really, coming from someone on this board, a liberal none the less, that is suprising.

heh a liberal saying stop the personal attacks? isnt that funny.

 

[Stereo]

the moderator doesnt just pull these questions out of her ass, they were all pre approved by the respective campaigns, or by her bosses.

Hmmm. That doesn't sound right? Do you have a source?

If she came to me and said, "Here are the questions I am going to ask your boss, you like?"

I don't have to tell you that I would tell them about the questions.

 

[seinfeldrules]

heh a liberal saying stop the personal attacks? isnt that funny.

Yeah I found it amusing. I cant count the number of times I have been called a retard or a bigot over the last few weeks. Havent heard anyone complaining about that though :angel:

 

[Neutrino]

Ah really, coming from someone on this board, a liberal none the less, that is suprising.

Please note that I said, "that aren't relevant to the issues at hand." I was specifically talking about both Edwards and Cheny's past records.

That said, why exactly is it surprising for me to say that?

Oh and I'm probably more moderate than liberal in many things.

 

[KidRock]

Yeah I found it amusing. I cant count the number of times I have been called a retard or a bigot over the last few weeks. Havent heard anyone complaining about that though :angel:

I dont think I can count the number of times liberlas have had no arguement againts bush except.. "uhh..well...bush stutters!! HAR HEEHEHEHE!!"