Wal Mart Security Thinks He's Cop - Gets Fired

[RakuraiTenjin]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20091021/ARTICLES/910211015/1402/NEWS

These store associates do NOT realize that they don't have authority to MAKE you show them your receipt in order to leave.

Of course always pay for your merchandise, but also always tell them no if they ask to see your receipt as you leave the door. It is NONE of their business what you purchased after you've paid for it. If they try to forcefully detain you after that you are completely within your rights to either defend yourself or press charges for assault.

This guy is a moron and should've realized that the store doesn't want him to do these things- it's a HUGE insurance problem and he's a wal mart security, not a cop.

This quote made me laugh the most-

"I felt now that he was a danger to the public and the city," he said. "If he'd pull a knife on two security guards, he'd pull a knife on anyone."

LOL You're not a police officer man. You're just a regular ass civilian.




Also from the comments section (A lot of local people in the comments)

Originally posted by ar_myers721:
Once again, the Star Banner shows it doesn't know "investigative journalism" from a hole in the ground. When I read this I laughed myself half to death. If you know Josh Rutner, then you know he's full of a smelly brown substance commonly referred to as "poo". This guy used to drive around the mall pretending to be a cop. He is your common pathological liar, "everything you've done I have done better" type of guy. The Star Banner really dropped the ball on this one.

 

[Warped]

"The customer is always right!" ----worst person ever

Some of the most dirtiest customers shop at Walmart, this is a known fact

 

[arch5]

I usually show my receipt just so I don't cause any trouble, but if I have a HUGE list of things I bought, I'll just walk by and pretend I didn't hear them.


But think about the abuse.

"Hi, I'm dabomb the Mall Cop, and if you don't give me a cookie, I will ****ING TAZER YOU"

 

[CyberPitz]

Some of the most dirties people live in Buffalo, NY, this is a known fact

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

"The customer is always right!" ----worst person ever

Some of the most dirtiest customers shop at Walmart, this is a known fact

Some of the "most dirtiest" people shop everywhere, Wal-Mart just happens to be a gigantic facility so it's easier to spot more people that fit that description. You'll also find just as many other types of people of every kind.

 

[Krynn72]

"The customer is always right!" ----worst person ever

Some of the most dirtiest customers shop at Walmart, this is a known fact

How very relevant to the thread.

So basically walmart security cant do anything but call the cops while you're making your escape?

 

[Warped]

How very relevant to the thread.

So basically walmart security cant do anything but call the cops while you're making your escape?

well i'm just throwing that out there. and yes its true you get all walks of life at walmart. its like a mall these days with more and more supercenters popping up. we have 4 supercenters in a 40 mile radius now and there used to be just 2 about 5 years ago

 

[Sheepo]

"The customer is always right!" ----worst person ever

Some of the most dirtiest customers shop at Walmart, this is a known fact

That's wierd, I always pictured you as a Walmart employee/shopper.

 

[theotherguy]

http://www.ocala.com/article/20091021/ARTICLES/910211015/1402/NEWS

These store associates do NOT realize that they don't have authority to MAKE you show them your receipt in order to leave.

Of course always pay for your merchandise, but also always tell them no if they ask to see your receipt as you leave the door. It is NONE of their business what you purchased after you've paid for it. If they try to forcefully detain you after that you are completely within your rights to either defend yourself or press charges for assault.

This guy is a moron and should've realized that the store doesn't want him to do these things- it's a HUGE insurance problem and he's a wal mart security, not a cop.

The fact stands that he did the right thing, regardless of store policy. I would commend anyone in his place for doing the right thing. It doesn't matter if he's a "regular citizen," it doesn't matter if the store "doesn't want" him to do these things. Catching a knife-wielding thief and turning him over to the authorities is the right thing to do regardless of the circumstances.

EDIT: And if the store wants to fire him, they're well within their rights to do so. However, he wasn't "stupid" for doing it. He was in fact doing a very ethical, very commendable thing, and it severely disturbs me that you think he was the one at fault.

 

[Vegeta897]

This just makes me laugh.

Rakurai complaining about this guy apprehending a criminal, because he's just a normal citizen and not the police.

Just after posting about his new shotgun with ridiculous ammunition, boasting about how he's going to shoot people who break into his house instead of calling the police.

****ing hilarious, Rakurai, bravo.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Rakurai, shoot Vegeta.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The fact stands that he did the right thing, regardless of store policy. I would commend anyone in his place for doing the right thing. It doesn't matter if he's a "regular citizen," it doesn't matter if the store "doesn't want" him to do these things. Catching a knife-wielding thief and turning him over to the authorities is the right thing to do regardless of the circumstances.

Chasing someone down over a pack of golf balls and putting yourself and the general public at risk IS STUPID. What if they guy would've stabbed him in the gutt and he died? How smart would he be then?

The guy didnt show a knife until he was already chased down as well. This guy chased down someone OUT of the store over golf balls. Stupid- he knew he'd be fired for it and wanted to be 'the hero'.

Check user comments about the guy personally, sound like that kind of personality

This just makes me laugh.

Rakurai complaining about this guy apprehending a criminal, because he's just a normal citizen and not the police.

Just after posting about his new shotgun with ridiculous ammunition, boasting about how he's going to shoot people who break into his house instead of calling the police.

****ing hilarious, Rakurai, bravo.

I don't see where I "brag" and I think most people would fire on someone in a home invasion. And you do call the police once the house is secure. You don't call and sit in an unsafe situation for 5 minutes. You make it safe for yourself and then you call. Whether that is by escaping your own house or defending it is up to you and your local law. But you make youself safe and THEN you call.

If you guys can't see how this guy put many people in danger where they weren't before then you're blind.

Vigilanteeism doesn't help anyone especially over stupid shit like golf balls.

Maybe it'd make sense if the guy was a murderer or something, not something like this over petty theft.

If this guy died then you'd be crying that Wal-Mart doesnt do enough to train it's staff to be safe rather than protecting the company assetts with their life.

 

[Sheepo]

Well, in his defense, all of Rakurai's neighbors are pedophiles.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

How very relevant to the thread.

So basically walmart security cant do anything but call the cops while you're making your escape?

That's all ANY security can do. You have rights as a citizen. You don't have to show them your receipt or stop when you're out of the store. I'm not defending shoplifting I just hate it when people act like sheep and think that those who shouldn't and don't have authority over them actually have it.

"WELL DURR THE MAN WITH THE UNIFORM SAYS IT MUST BE RIGHT DURR" <- that's the attitude of most people.

 

[Sheepo]

I'm trying to phrase why that's a pretty intense exaggeration and that a general respect for those whose job is to keep a place secure goes a long way for people not being shitheads, but I'm having trouble.

 

[swan_song1973]

guess they dont **** around at wallyworld. still not gonna buy my shit there.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm trying to phrase why that's a pretty intense exaggeration and that a general respect for those whose job is to keep a place secure goes a long way for people not being shitheads, but I'm having trouble.

Respect is something to be earned, not commanded. Give it and get it.

 

[Sheepo]

Well sweet, now I can be an asshole to people just trying to do their job!

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Well sweet, now I can be an asshole to people just trying to do their job!

Well sure if you want them to be a dick to you as well.

I didn't say disrespect people- I said people don't "automatically deserve" respect just because of their profession. I'll be respectful to an officer but as soon as he is an asshole to me I'm going to be uncooperative within the extent of law. I'm going to make him have to do as much extra work as he can short of getting myself arrested.

If they're polite and courteous to me in response to my politeness, I will be the same and gladly sign and take a ticket etc. I can fight it later in a court of law if I feel the need to.

 

[Sheepo]

I'm not even referring to police officers. There are plenty of people have to deal with shit for doing their jobs as politely and courteously as could be. Perhaps you're falsely assigning the motive "DURR THEY HAVE UNIFORM THEY HAVE AUTHORITY DURR" but if the people who are kind enough to cut the bullshit and just listen to those people, unlike the assholes who don't and make their lives more of a hell, the world would be a much better place.

Oh, and props to the security guard guy. It's a shame when people lose out for doing the right thing because it's not the correct thing.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Oh, and props to the security guard guy. It's a shame when people lose out for doing the right thing because it's not the correct thing.

How is it "the right thing" to put the public in danger over golf balls? He put everyone in that parking lot at unnecessary risk of being killed and same for himself as well. The guy could've stabbed him and others. Or shot him and others. Just because it's stopping a theft didn't mean it's the right thing to do. It boils down to the ends NOT justifying the means.

It's just like when they have high speed chases through crowded streets and end up killing a family in a van along with the suspect due to a crash. Yeah great ending rather than tracking him and catching em later.

 

[Sheepo]

Um, not really. "When ever I get chased by security I like to repeatedly stab bystanders as I run by!" I'd say the possible threat of him stabbing some one after leaving the store is more likely than some one getting injured (other than the guard himself) during the chase.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Um, not really. "When ever I get chased by security I like to repeatedly stab bystanders as I run by!" I'd say the possible threat of him stabbing some one after leaving the store is more likely than some one getting injured (other than the guard himself) during the chase.

You can try and justify it all you want but I do NOT want store security trying to chase people down outside at the places I shop. I dont want to end up being referenced in the news as "an innocent bystander was shot because he was in the way as store security chased a robbery suspect out of a Phoenix store!" They're there to catch people in the store and secure the store, not the WORLD.

 

[Vegeta897]

Please exaggerate some more.

Just outside the store's doors is still the store's property FYI.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Store parking lot is suddenly the world.

Nice nitpicking rather than taking on the point I actually made in the post. Good job DBZ boy

 

[Vegeta897]

Okay, I'll address all the stupidity in your post if you prefer.

Just outside the store doors is hardly "outside" and it's still well within the store's property. He committed a crime IN the store and AGAINST the store. How the **** is that equating to him being some kind of vigilante of the world?

Who the **** said anything about shooting? Any security officer that carries a gun is going to be trained well enough to not recklessly fire his weapon when there is a possibility of an innocent bystander getting hurt. Guns are a last resort measure and used when the perp is a threat to the safety of others.

 

[Maestro]

This thread is awesome. Name-calling and hate over an article about an overzealous Walmart employee, I love it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Who the **** said anything about shooting? Any security officer that carries a gun is going to be trained well enough to not recklessly fire his weapon when there is a possibility of an innocent bystander getting hurt. Guns are a last resort measure and used when the perp is a threat to the safety of others.

I'm talking about the suspect having a gun obviously. Not the security who almost never do.

If you can't understand how it could be unsafe to chase someone who's willing to flee over a pack of golf balls through a crowded parking lot I don't know what to say to you. If somebody runs over golf balls and a chicken sandwhich you've then go to put it through your head-

Why is this person running? Under $20 theft is honestly no big deal in court. Obviously the guy has got some warrants or something he doesn't want to be apprehended for. That right there should've automatically made him realize this is a potentially deadly situation and he should've backed off.

But no, it's cooler to chase someone down in a crowded parking lot and tackle them.

All I'm saying is that he's lucky he didn't get stabbed in the belly and killed, and he's DEFINATELY not smart for doing what he did.

 

[Krynn72]

Any security officer that carries a gun is going to be trained well enough to not recklessly fire his weapon when there is a possibility of an innocent bystander getting hurt.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=161530

 

[Vegeta897]

Rakurai your logic is so faulty I am having difficulty following it.

So you're saying the security guard should have backed off because by your ridiculous logic he was potentially dangerous. Couldn't the same be said about ANY criminal?

Let's just say for a minute that that makes sense. So what if the security guard was actually a police officer? Then, suddenly, it's okay for him to pursue the guy, somehow he becomes less of a threat to innocent people? What you are saying makes zero sense. Explain to me how this criminal, who you think could be insane and deadly, is going to act differently when a cop is chasing him rather than a security guard? If you ask me, I'd say he'd be MORE likely to be violent when being chased by an actual cop.

Edit: Krynn, please don't be a dick, you can cherry pick any incident, that doesn't prove anything.

 

[MorganFreeman911]

Agreeing with Veggies here, Rakurai, You're an idiot. Get out of here [stalker].

 

[dfc05]

I don't think the security guard was morally wrong in chasing the dude down, obviously... but I can understand why he lost his job. Walmart might be worried about liability issues (which may be why some upper-level corporate guy came in and fired him), e.g. if their security guard gets hurt on the job they might be held liable to pay for it. Or liable to pay for injuries to the customer. Who knows, maybe they've been sued before in a similar situation and so they NEED to fire the worker.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Rakurai your logic is so faulty I am having difficulty following it.

So you're saying the security guard should have backed off because by your ridiculous logic he was potentially dangerous. Couldn't the same be said about ANY criminal?

Yes, which is why a walmart security guard shouldn't be trying to save the day by chasing them through parking lots. Which is why WalMart has the policy in the first place. Make sense now?

Let's just say for a minute that that makes sense. So what if the security guard was actually a police officer? Then, suddenly, it's okay for him to pursue the guy, somehow he becomes less of a threat to innocent people? What you are saying makes zero sense. Explain to me how this criminal, who you think could be insane and deadly, is going to act differently when a cop is chasing him rather than a security guard? If you ask me, I'd say he'd be MORE likely to be violent when being chased by an actual cop.

No, it's still dangerous and it doesn't become safe, which is why the officer can call for backup to try and cut him off wherever he is headed to. He'll probably still chase him but it's still going to be just as dangerous for the public. That's an issue and if you notice or pay attention you'll see that I've argued against dangerous police pursuits earlier in this thread- whether on foot, through a crowded public area, or on the road.

I don't know about you but most people I know understand that killing or injuring a cop has a lot more dire consequences than killing or injuring a civilian. That might be wrong and sound terrible but that's the truth. Just look what happened to the Avenues gang in LA. That had ripples across the entire west.

Edit: Krynn, please don't be a dick, you can cherry pick any incident, that doesn't prove anything.

Once again the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

ITT thread rakurai is ****ing insane.

"HOW DARE HE TRY TO STOP A PERSON WIELDING A KNIFE. HOW DARE HE TRY TO PROTECT PEOPLE. HE COULD'VE GOTTEN PEOPLE HURT. BY PROTECTING THEM"

 

[Sheepo]

Once again the pot calling the kettle black.

Bro, his point was absolutely valid. You can't say endanger the world, when the fact is the chase is unlikely to result in either party leaving the mall, parlking lot, etc.

This is the stupidest argument I've ever hear, by the way. Perhaps we should all just live on individual islands so there's not the slightest chance any one could ever chase any one and somehow kill another person in the process.

You can try and justify it all you want but I do NOT want store security trying to chase people down outside at the places I shop. I dont want to end up being referenced in the news as "an innocent bystander was shot because he was in the way as store security chased a robbery suspect out of a Phoenix store!" They're there to catch people in the store and secure the store, not the WORLD.

Well okay, fair enough I guess. I also don't want to end up in the newspaper with the headline "Local boy stabbed because a guard made no effort to aprehend a scared shoplifter with a knife!" Granted, it's a pretty long headline, but truth is I find my scenario a hell of a lot more likely than yours and I think most people would too.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

Rakurai I want you to look at what your saying.

You are saying that upon pulling the knife out the security guard should've just said "Oh pfft not my problem im not a cop. Alright get out of here."

That is what you are saying.

I want you to realize how crazy/stupid that sounds.

 

[flamingdts]

Nothing stops the guy from taking an innocent bystander hostage when a cop is chasing him instead. Either way he will get chased, so why not stop him now rather than later?

 

[Warped]

bottom line is this...a billion dollar company won't even notice $45 missing and would rather a shoplifter steal an item and get away with it than pay millions to the family of a dead employee

 

[smwScott]

Rakurai's position is somewhat rational...

While it's a bit silly to think the guy was any considerable threat to the public, this security guard was just some wigger douchebag trying to show off to his homeboys. He isn't trained to do deal with this kind of thing, and he is likely to get himself hurt - which is why the policy is in place.

If you've ever been in a potentially violent situation then you know there's nothing worse than some jackass trying to play hero.

 

[sinkoman]

ITT people who think doing the "socially accepted as morally sound" thing is equal to doing "the right thing".

What a ****ing goof. He sounds like one of those power tripping rent a cop assholes who forgot that his badge is made of plastic. If he actually had a ****ing brain, he would have blocked the god damned exit and pointed the thief to the nearest register. I worked at Safeway for a while, and we had a very similar "no chase policy". What we were supposed to do in a shoplifting situation, is report the suspicious activity BEFORE IT ESCALATES TO A ROBBERY to the nearest manager, who in turn will either alert the undercover cops in the store (what happened to them? Every wallmart has undercover cops, I doubt this one was an exception), or block the damned exits and tell the thief to **** off.

So, what happened to that? Why'd this idiot wait until the guy was out the store to tell anybody what was up? I'm betting he was thinking "oh man i'll let this guy run out, i'll chase him down, beat his ass, and be a hero!!!"

I hate it when people become drowned out in societies morals. "OH **** THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO SO I BETTER DO IT?"

Rakurai I want you to look at what your saying.

You are saying that upon pulling the knife out the security guard should've just said "Oh pfft not my problem im not a cop. Alright get out of here."

That is what you are saying.

I want you to realize how crazy/stupid that sounds.

I 100% agree with Rakurai. Even if the guy HAD pulled the knife INSIDE of the store, what ****ing good would it do to chase him down? He's not going to poke any random joe walking on the street, let him go and let it be done. thiefs aren't psychoevil perpetrators of doom, half the time the guy stealing your shit is probably ten times more clever than you.

Well okay, fair enough I guess. I also don't want to end up in the newspaper with the headline "Local boy stabbed because a guard made no effort to aprehend a scared shoplifter with a knife!" Granted, it's a pretty long headline, but truth is I find my scenario a hell of a lot more likely than yours and I think most people would too.

Do you really think that a guy, who just made it out of a big ass Wallmart scott free, is going to just poke you for no reason?

If you give chase, then he might take a hostage, or somebody could get caught up in the melee. If you just let him go, the situation becomes normalized.