Wal Mart Security Thinks He's Cop - Gets Fired

[VirusType2]

yeah, I know.

But if they are following behind you and you appear to be swerving a bit...

you are now a suspect of DUI. At this point - putting on their lights on and sounding the alarm - should the suspect decide to flee, then they shouldn't put up a chase. They have the details. Just turn off the alarm, and follow them home, or, hit the donut shop and head to their house later (using the license plate details)

Lol, if only it was that easy. But it's not because of so many things. They have to prove it was you driving, they have to get you to open the door to your home, submit to a sobriety test- after the effects have worn down some. So okay, it's obviously got some problems to work out.

I still think it's better for them to get away with it - a DUI where they are trying to drive the speed limit and usually heading home, rather than a top speed chase in a shit heap with shitty bald tires, racing down a residential zone at 110 MPH while intoxicated and terrified.

 

[Dynasty]

Personally I have refused to show my receipt to a security guard whilst leaving Boots I think it was.

He was stood behind a CCTV stand by the entrance, and just asked to see my reciept and items as a 'routine check'.

So I politely disinclined to aquiest his request. He looked quite surprised, this was the UK after all and people here are usually pushovers if it means keeping out of any potential clashing of horns in shops or restaurants etc.

He asked again saying that he was security, basically exerting his non-existant authority, and again I said no. He asked why and I said he had no right or legal authority to see my purchases and potential records (reciepts show the last few numbers of your card for example).

So he sent me to management. I wasnt in a rush anywhere so thought I'd play along for a laugh.

He went through the situation, and the manager kindly asked me to show what I had in the bag. So I showed him, after I had put the reciept into my pocket. He then made sure that the items had in fact been purchased by looking at the store records and seeing if they passed the scanner/alarm thing at the front door.

The whole time I had a huge smile on my face. Once he had 'cleared me' I laughed and said 'You know, all this time you could be back at your stand potentially catching actual thiefs buddy'.

So it seemed that actually denying them to see your reciept just cause unnecessary time wasting. Next time ill just show it I think if im ever asked again, as that whole process wasted about 30 minutes of my life that I'll never get back.

I appreciate theyre just doing their job, but come on, dont take it so seriously if youre 'security'. IMO youre mainly there to help with the illusion of safety when a customer walks into the shop. You feel at ease knowing there is a 'guard' at the door.

 

[Danimal]

I'd feel like too much of a snitch-**** to waste so many people's time, personally.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

From the news articles you posted (not in any particular order):

Both of these crimes goes with what I was saying: keep your house locked and that will stop 99% of wannabe robbers..

Just the other day a coworkers neighbor had their door kicked in and a home invasion, the police had a standoff. It's common in the city of Phoenix. If you know your history, Phoenix used to be the autotheft capital. Auto-Thefts have plumetted but home invasion and kidnapping for ransom has skyrocketed. It's all done by cartels.

Again, goes with what I was saying. You keep guns in your house, you are a target for theft.

I'm not going to stop owning property because a thief might want to take it. I have TV's and computers in my house too, those are even more valuable.

Ok, fair enough, you live in a ****ed up neighborhood. I'm not naive, I just am not a target like you. I meet gang members, and they don't see me as a possible gang member, so they are pretty cool to me, tbh. .

No, I don't live in a ****ed up neighborhood. I live in a nice neighborhood with a HOA. It doesn't matter where you live it's a city-wide (or Southern Arizona, rather) problem. These things happen in regular everyday new housing subdivisions. It's especially bad here because of all the abandoned homes. Neighborhoods are decimated and lots of peopel are missing- lots of empty houses.

How about stop looking like a gangster? Shave that shit off your face (or grow a real beard) so you look respectable..

First of all I don't look like a gangster, I work a good paying job and look normal. I think this is a regional difference or you're just acting like a douche.

That's just my suggestion. If you were really concerned about your safety, and not just trying to be a bad ass, you wouldn't tell everyone that you had a firearm and plan on getting 'set' tattoos. You might have a rough neighborhood - hell, my family is from the Bronx, NY - but you don't command respect by talking a big game.

What the **** are you talking about again? First the balloon shit now "SET" tattoos? I last posted in Pi's thread about a tattoo relating to Arizona. Maybe you thought AZ was a gang's initials or something but it's a STATE.

MS13 is around here as well but it's not been a big problem.

Why don't you - you know - move, if you are terrified for your life?

You don't have gangs like cartels I mean. I don't mean "yeah 5th street gang" but I mean super large, drug smuggling and human smuggling (coyote) rings. That type of gang- they run things. A gang like you're talking about might run their neighborhood but the cartels can reach out and touch ANYWHERE, and they do- right in suburbia.

I don't "fear for my life." I'm just saying it's dumb to be unprepared.

Were do you get this stuff?

You might want to know that weapon you just bought it is permanently tied to your name, regardless if it is lost, sold, stolen, or destroyed, to the National Crime Information Center [NCIC] under property records:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIC

The NCIC does not hold records linking guns to owners.

The records it holds are ONLY of:
1. Stolen guns.
2. Recovered guns, when ownership of which has not been established.

Your gun is "hot" if it is in the NCIC database- those are the cheap because illegal guns (not "valuable" like you tried to say)

The NCIC does not and CANNOT legally keep records relating to ownership or keep a "gun registry". They only keep for a short time a record that you had a BG check on you by a firearms dealer. Not even if you bought or not or for what model gun.

as well as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms [ATF]

Your dealer does have to fill out an ATF form 4473, but this is not a gun registry or owner registry. There is no database and the records are kept by the individual dealers, not the ATF. This is basically just a record book for the dealer- the police can use the serial number to find the manufacturer, then hope they can trace it back to the dealer, then ask for his book info. Then they have to hope the person didn't sell it if they DO find them (not always the case)

Why do you think they keep a record of guns "Recovered guns, when ownership of which has not been established."

If they had the registry you speak of they wouldn't need that list at all- they could just contact the owner.

So, you may well have sold it or whatever, but you will still be investigated as a possible suspect. They are heavily trained to read your eye and body movements, all kinds of details like blood flow to your face, etc. It won't be easy to get them off your back if you are guilty. In fact, you will forever be a possible suspect unless they find the real killer.

If you're guilty then yes, they can sometimes tell, but you said some crazy story where someone stole my guns and I catch the blame for my name on them.

There is no NCIC check or Form 4473 needed for private sales between two individuals, there are no records required to be kept. You just can't sell knowingly to a prohibited person (felon, minor)

I would not be a suspect. Like I said there is no gun registry. The 'closest' thing is the form 4473 and that is in no way a registry.

 

[Danimal]

Wait what the **** isn't this thread about mall security or some shit?

 

[13LACKBISHOP]

If the guard cannot tackle the thief then what is the point of having guards? What use are they then. All they are good for is calling cops then. Are they supposed to just let people walk into walmart with a massive bag and just nik of with stuff and run away because it might be dangerous to apprehend them. By that logic to the theives everything in walmart is basically free because they can just run in and take it because nobody has the power to stop them. Besides who is going to stop theives. Cops cant stop them because they could get shot or stabbed. It could be dangerous. Danger is bad. Putting yourself in dangerous situations is always wrong. People cant take care of themselves. We must never take risks which endanger lives even in the slightest. Only God has the right to stop thieves.

There GUARDS. They are meant to GUARD. They are not very good guards if they let people run of with the fecking contents of the store.

 

[VirusType2]

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Stop being a fool! You think they are going to start unplugging toasters and microwaves?

I'm not talking about home invasions, I'm talking about a burglary. First of all, they want to be there when you AREN'T Home. Second, when someone robs a home, they want to get the **** out immediately. They are looking for easy to carry valuables. After jewelry or money of course, is there anything more valuable or easy to carry than a firearm? It is designed to be portable. They are robbing a home, do you think they will have second thoughts when they see a firearm sitting there? "Gee, I could get in trouble for having this." Rakurai, think. This is hilarious.

It's so funny that you think having a firearm makes you safer. It makes you more of a target. LESS SAFE. MORE OF A TARGET. And you telling everyone you are armed. Well, you better just watch those young ass peers of yours.

Finally, if it's cartel home invasion, you think you are going to hold your ground from a mob of mother****ers with guns? In all of the crimes you listed, nobody was seriously injured. However, once you brandish a firearm, it's either you or them. Someone is getting shot, don't you agree?

And I can't even find my pants when I first wake up, much less fight off a cartel. Lol.

Haven't you ever heard "Live by the sword, die by the sword." Or, "Live by the gun, die by the gun."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

First of all- before anything else, I like how you avoided half the points I made and stopped quoting individual parts. You said some dumb things and I was itching to see what you had to say about them.

Stop being a fool! You think they are going to start unplugging toasters and microwaves?

You don't get the mindset of a cluck. Quick cash pawn it and jam out. You don't have time to rifle in a bedroom for items or search cabinets.

I'm not talking about home invasions, I'm talking about a burglary. First of all, they want to be there when you AREN'T Home. Second, when someone robs a home, they want to get the **** out immediately.

Exactly. They get something and leave. They don't go into searching a bedroom or closet.

They are looking for easy to carry valuables. After jewelry or money of course, is there anything more valuable or easy to carry than a firearm? It is designed to be portable. They are robbing a home, do you think they will have second thoughts when they see a firearm sitting there? "Gee, I could get in trouble for having this." Rakurai, think. This is hilarious..

I never implied anyone thinks that way- they don't. That's the same reason gun control doesn't work as well. My guns are always in one of two places- my closet or the trunk of the car. Not sitting in the living room to be easily picked up.

It's so funny that you think having a firearm makes you safer. It makes you more of a target. LESS SAFE. MORE OF A TARGET. And you telling everyone you are armed. Well, you better just watch those young ass peers of yours...

What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't make me a target. It makes me a target about as much as having a security alarm notice sign outside does. I don't think any "young ass peers" of mine post on a halflife2.net forum anyway, so I'm probably good. I sure as hell don't go blasting a bullhorn around the neighborhood saying "GUESS WHAT THERES GUNS IN MA PAD JUST LETTING YA KNOW"

Finally, if it's cartel home invasion, you think you are going to hold your ground from a mob of mother****ers with guns? In all of the crimes you listed, nobody was seriously injured. However, once you brandish a firearm, it's either you or them. Someone is getting shot, don't you agree?

I don't think you know what you're talking about. I'm not talking about ****ing Scarface here, I'm talking about drop house targetting and other strongarm tactics. I'm betting it's because of where you live that you don't really understand what I'm trying to describe to you. You're not familiar with coyotes and drop houses- they're all around here. You think any crime group wants to send a "mob of people" ANYWHERE? Think logically, no one wants that much attention.

Once I brandish a firearm someone will die, that's the entire point. You don't pull it out if you're not going to use it. People who use them for intimidation are morons.

And I can't even find my pants when I first wake up, much less fight off a cartel. Lol.

Haven't you ever heard "Live by the sword, die by the sword." Or, "Live by the gun, die by the gun. "

Yeah the quote is a reference to a warrior lifestyle, it's not a literal warning that if you use a gun you will die.

 

[the cow says moo]

Wasn't this a movie?

Edit:

Mall Cop

 

[VirusType2]

First of all- before anything else, I like how you avoided half the points I made and stopped quoting individual parts. You said some dumb things and I was itching to see what you had to say about them.

Oh, hi. I've been waiting for you to respond.

I avoided half the points?

I posted facts taken from ATF and NCIC websites and government sites, you post hearsay claiming what I've posted is wrong. I'm not going to keep arguing the same thing back and forth. I don't work there, so I can't say what exactly they do with this information.

You don't get the mindset of a cluck. Quick cash pawn it and jam out. You don't have time to rifle in a bedroom for items or search cabinets.

Believe me I do get it. That's almost exactly what I said. Generally.

Exactly. They get something and leave. They don't go into searching a bedroom or closet.

I've had my house robbed more than once, and I've had my upstairs bedroom cleaned out. Both times it was someone who knew there was something inside that he wanted. Also, these people knew nobody was home.

First, most robbers hit cars that are unlocked, or go into garages that are open, in the middle of the night. They look for things like outside cover, outside light, inside light, newspapers piled up in the driveway/porch...

If anyone goes into a home, they are pretty sure you're not there, or else they aren't robbers anymore, but intruders. So if they know you aren't there, then they have more time to go into bedrooms and closets. Especially if they are looking for something valuable. An entire house can be quickly searched in a matter of minutes if someone is in a hurry.

My guns are always in one of two places- my closet or the trunk of the car. Not sitting in the living room to be easily picked up.

A lot of places I've seen, people have glass gun cases with lights to showcase their arsenal of rifles, shotguns, and handguns. Then I had friends that just keep it on the nightstand, under the bed, or something like that.

Your closet? Unless your firearm is in a gun safe, then it's not safe keeping, especially if anyone knows you have it.

The reason I suggested you watch your friends, because half the time, it's someone who knows someone you know that finds out. So that's why I said watch out for the punk ass kids. So if they know you live alone and are at work, then it's no problem to scan your bedroom. Hell, they've already broke into your house, they are taking something.

Also, just curious, why do you drive around with a firearm in your trunk?

What the hell are you talking about? It doesn't make me a target. It makes me a target about as much as having a security alarm notice sign outside does.

Once I brandish a firearm someone will die, that's the entire point. You don't pull it out if you're not going to use it. People who use them for intimidation are morons.

Intimidation? You posted stories including 2 and 4 gunman running up into an unlocked house. So, those are the scenarios I went with. Don't blame me for what you bring into the conversation. None of the victims were seriously injured. They were just strong-armed and/or robbed.

Had any of them been holding a firearm, then shots would be fired by either the homeowner or the intruder. Right? Therefore it makes you a target to have a gun. Also in one of the 4 stories you posted, the homeowner was robbed of his firearms at gunpoint.

I don't think any "young ass peers" of mine post on a halflife2.net forum anyway, so I'm probably good.

Yeah, I find it hard to believe you aren't telling all your friends about your firearm obsession, considering you somehow manage to talk about guns in 95% of your posts since you've been here.

You think any crime group wants to send a "mob of people" ANYWHERE? Think logically, no one wants that much attention.

You're the one who posted the news articles of multiple gunman.

Yeah the quote is a reference to a warrior lifestyle, it's not a literal warning that if you use a gun you will die.

That's true. You don't think your going warrior style?

Shotgun - check
"Going to have to take the weapon from my cold dead hands" - check
Cowboy hat - check
Gangster mustache - check
Tattoos - check
Wife-beater shirt - check
Drug problem - check
"I'm going to shoot them in the back and I want to be sure I kill them even if they are running away. " Quote
"I think it's cool to be a murderer" Forum Signature - check

etc


Let me ask you this Rakurai:

how can a felon purchase a firearm? Legally, they can't own a firearm, therefore the only way they can get one is to buy one off the streets or steal one. I don't know why this is so hard for you to believe, but I've seen it.

How can someone underage get a firearm: same thing. Steal it or buy one on the street.

You seem to think that hot guns are worthless. Have you even met anyone hardcore? Because you seem to think they are terrified of getting in trouble. They are loose cannons - wild as shit, and don't really give a **** about anything. I've met people like this where they spent most of their youth in detention, and end up spending most of their lives in the meat grinder.