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well,
today I got kicked off the tema, and they claim to use my work since I signed something, and they are flaming the hell out of me, and you can see in this convo, a BAD mod... trust me on this, just using my work after kicking me when I said they could'nt and I wore in the agreement that they couldn't just waiting for cool Beakshy, who was tallingme off for no reason at all hahahah, and ben and neonic so here we go

I want to make a petition that makes it so they can't use my work, so sign here please! please leave your name. Thank you!

so they have some good memebers, then some terrible ones

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Beakshy says:
under what?
Mike - says:
what?
Beakshy says:
things arent working..havent for awhiel you know that.
Mike - says:
Im kicked off OSP?
Beakshy says:
you already quit
Beakshy says:
i just extended it
Mike - says:
I said for a few months
Mike - says:
what do you mean extenede, not alowed to come back>
Beakshy says:
let things cool down first.
Mike - says:
I ddindt even do anyhting
Mike - says:
and Im getting flamed to shit
Beakshy says:
well you have done some stuff...but neonic shouldnt have said that stuff.
Mike - says:
I dont know if I want my work being used I dont know anyhitng right now
Mike - says:
becuase I asked to get hte hands
Mike - says:
thenBen comes on
Mike - says:
then Neonice
Beakshy says:
yeah so?
Mike - says:
I mean to tell me
Mike - says:
whats happening and whts not
Beakshy says:
alot of problems are mirroring to you.
Beakshy says:
with many people on the tema
Mike - says:
I don't have a clue why either, because me and Frozen got in a dispute
Mike - says:
that was noone else's businesss
Beakshy says:
depends on how or where you do it man
Mike - says:
he started it so I finshed
Mike - says:
but I have advice from someone not to sink to some peoplse leles...
Mike - says:
for some reason a lot of the staff hate me for no reason, or a reason IO dont know about
Mike - says:
and they give me shit
Mike - says:
so I am going to dothe same b ynot allowing the use of some of my works
Beakshy says:
you agreed to a witen doucment
Mike - says:
I had wrote something but for some reason those asholes changed it
Beakshy says:
do you want to go to court?
Mike - says:
excuse me
Beakshy says:
?
Mike - says:
did Ben tell you to say that?
Mike - says:
I don't see a signature
Mike - says:
and for some reason it doesnt look like a signed that
Mike - says:
if you read the latest
Mike - says:
that's not what I put
Mike - says:
so I dindt

Untitled V2.0 has been added to the conversation.

Beakshy says:
there. we can disuss this nwo
Untitled V2.0 says:
hi
Untitled V2.0 says:
what seems to be the problem here
Untitled V2.0 says:
hello?
Beakshy says:
you there?
Mike - says:
ofcourse
Mike - says:
Im getting the legal docuemtns ready
Untitled V2.0 says:
Cool
Untitled V2.0 says:
do you wanna speak on vent?
Mike - says:
no
Mike - says:
not really
Untitled V2.0 says:
ok
Mike - says:
you can type
Untitled V2.0 says:
you can speak
Untitled V2.0 says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
ok
Untitled V2.0 says:
so
Untitled V2.0 says:
why dont you want us to use youre models
Untitled V2.0 says:
us
Mike - says:
um excuse me?
Untitled V2.0 says:
you where perfectly happy about it yesterday
Mike - says:
haha
Untitled V2.0 says:
well give me the reasons
Mike - says:
its been going downhill for days
Mike - says:
respect for me = 0
Mike - says:
for smoe rmember
Mike - says:
s
Mike - says:
I have been put down, talk shit about
Untitled V2.0 says:
respect has tobe earnt
Mike - says:
changed names, changed my typing
Mike - says:
s
Mike - says:
earnt
Mike - says:
1 year working on a mod and doing good doesnt earn you resepct?
Untitled V2.0 says:
yes but when you start shit with other team members
Mike - says:
I have been teh bad guy since day 1
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Mike - says:
1 team mebemer
Mike - says:
yes
Mike - says:
I never liked the guy
Mike - says:
I didnt want him on the team
Untitled V2.0 says:
i think you're getting aranoid about us
Mike - says:
paraoind?
Mike - says:
haha
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but youre not the whole team
Mike - says:
paranoid about hwat/
Mike - says:
did I say I was?
Untitled V2.0 says:
Mike - says:
I have been teh bad guy since day 1

Mike - says:
DID I say Iwas
Mike - says:
yeh but youre not the whole team
Untitled V2.0 says:
i know
Untitled V2.0 says:
neither are you
Untitled V2.0 says:
i dont make decesisons for every1
Mike - says:
IU was repaeting what you saiod..
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but you had no point
Mike - says:
I can make decisions on my behalf
Mike - says:
and on my work
Mike - says:
and odnt even bring that up, you modified my oringal saying
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but spilling a private argument with someone is not allowed
Untitled V2.0 says:
where?
Mike - says:
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but spilling a private argument with someone is not allowed
Untitled V2.0 says:
i meant
Untitled V2.0 says:
when you took you're personal vendeta against frozen onto the forums its not allowed
Mike - says:
why do you think he left before
Mike - says:
you weren't on the team
Mike - says:
old thigns
Mike - says:
you wnere't around for
Untitled V2.0 says:
well explain to me
Beakshy says:
cause you told me to kick him
Beakshy says:
and just did as well the other day
Mike - says:
let beak do it
Untitled V2.0 says:
ok
Mike - says:
he was helpless and you wouldn't of kicked him if tehre wasn't a reason
Untitled V2.0 says:
is that it?
Mike - says:
no
Mike - says:
old shit
Mike - says:
I never liked the guy
Mike - says:
for a reason
Untitled V2.0 says:
and?
Mike - says:
he was running OSP
Untitled V2.0 says:
when you get into the real world
Mike - says:
wouldn't allow anyone elses input
Mike - says:
haha
Mike - says:
**** man
Mike - says:
you guys are a bunch of kids, not indlucindg some of you
Untitled V2.0 says:
you wont like people but you still have to work with them
Mike - says:
haha
Mike - says:
I know that
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but you where taking arguments onto a public section of a site
Untitled V2.0 says:
tis not cool
Beakshy says:
if your so pissed off at the team...but yet not me? why cant you allow the models you built and agreed to make let osp keep
Mike - says:
becuase
Mike - says:
like you said
Mike - says:
you aren't the team
Mike - says:
ooh
Mike - says:
now that's a low blow
Mike - says:
right out of bens mouth
Untitled V2.0 says:
you arent the team?
Mike - says:
yeah
Beakshy says:
i said that. get it right.
Untitled V2.0 says:
thatt was beakshy who spoke
Mike - says:
you know I am actually laugihng about this arguemtn
Mike - says:
really
Mike - says:
I know htat
Mike - says:
that was my point
Untitled V2.0 says:
yah
Untitled V2.0 says:
which was>?
Mike - says:
you sia dI wasn't the team and beka sasked
Mike - says:
Beakshy says:
if your so pissed off at the team...but yet not me? why cant you allow the models you built and agreed to make let osp keep
Mike - says:
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh but youre not the whole team
Mike - says:
same idea
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Untitled V2.0 says:
i was mirroring something you said to him
Untitled V2.0 says:
becus beakshy makes the decisions here its his concept
Mike - says:
concept?
Mike - says:
his mod, his decisions
Mike - says:
my work, my decisions
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Untitled V2.0 says:
agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
our decisions
Mike - says:
I dind't write what was tehre
Mike - says:
so no agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
yes you did
Untitled V2.0 says:
we got logs etc
Untitled V2.0 says:
we also had a verbal agreement
Mike - says:
verbal eh
Mike - says:
sure you do
Untitled V2.0 says:
oops
Untitled V2.0 says:
wrong person
Untitled V2.0 says:
well still
Untitled V2.0 says:
agreement stands
Mike - says:
almost
Untitled V2.0 says:
definatly
Mike - says:
you just want my work since I did so much
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh of course
Mike - says:
and I get treated like hsit
Mike - says:
no deal
Untitled V2.0 says:
how did you get treated like shit
Untitled V2.0 says:
except for what you deserved
Mike - says:
um what
Mike - says:
deserverd
Mike - says:
hahaha
Mike - says:
then you deserve this
Mike - says:
no work
Mike - says:
from ME
Untitled V2.0 says:
we have an agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
that means whatever you feel
Untitled V2.0 says:
is null
Mike - says:
whatever you say is "null"
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Untitled V2.0 says:
agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
we have
Untitled V2.0 says:
a electronic agreement
Mike - says:
no agreement
Mike - says:
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Untitled V2.0 says:
agreement
Mike - says:
deal
Mike - says:
no agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Mike - says:
sounds good to mea
Untitled V2.0 says:
yuo have no idea lol
Mike - says:
replace me
Untitled V2.0 says:
thats not a proper agreement
Untitled V2.0 says:
easily
Mike - says:
replace me
Mike - says:
and my work
Mike - says:
so take my work out
Mike - says:
and reaplce me
Untitled V2.0 says:
but were still keeping the work that you agreed to let us use
Untitled V2.0 says:
with full credit
Mike - says:
easily said and done
Mike - says:
I dont want you ot
Untitled V2.0 says:
so
Mike - says:
that means no
Untitled V2.0 says:
want dosent come into a binding agreement
Mike - says:
haha
Mike - says:
I added my part
Mike - says:
and its too late
Untitled V2.0 says:
no
Mike - says:
yeah
Mike - says:
yeah
Untitled V2.0 says:
you cant add a part to an agreement like that
Mike - says:
yeah
Mike - says:
wy not
Mike - says:
I dont see anywahere that it says I cant
Untitled V2.0 says:
y do you think not
Untitled V2.0 says:
well ok
Untitled V2.0 says:
we will add a aprt tot he agreement that says
Mike - says:
ummm
Mike - says:
you are suppose to do that
Mike - says:
eearlier
Mike - says:
too late
Mike - says:
sorry
Mike - says:
repalce me
Mike - says:
Samio
Mike - says:
Okt
Mike - says:
Chrono
Mike - says:
find soeone as dedicated
Mike - says:
willing
Mike - says:

Beakshy says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
if whiny little bitches called mike add parts to there signature then we can keep there work without prior notice
Untitled V2.0 says:
it works both ways
Untitled V2.0 says:
we will add that to the agreement
Mike - says:
whats so funny beakhsy/
Mike - says:
haha

Neonic has been added to the conversation.

Beakshy says:
dsgfdsf
Untitled V2.0 says:
q
Untitled V2.0 says:

Mike - says:
omg
Untitled V2.0 says:
lol
Mike - says:
dont add him to this
Neonic says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
ok im off
Untitled V2.0 says:
college
Untitled V2.0 says:
have fun guys
Mike - says:
1 on 1
Mike - says:
yeah we will
Neonic says:
why im the smartest here when it comes to copyright
Neonic says:
lol
Mike - says:
being told off by neonic agian
Neonic says:
lol
Neonic says:
yeh its fun isnt it
Mike - says:
I appreciate it too
Mike - says:
thats why you cant use my work
Mike - says:
ooh facial
Neonic says:
good same here
Neonic says:
i like winning a lot
Neonic says:
o and facials
Mike - says:
your mom does too
Neonic says:
lol
Neonic says:
alright out of jokes?
Untitled V2.0 says:
mum jokes how passE
Neonic says:
dude
Neonic says:
theres nothing you can do
Mike - says:
trsut me
Neonic says:
we are gonna do it,
Mike - says:
tehres something I can do
Untitled V2.0 says:
like
Neonic says:
no there isnt
Neonic says:
lol
Mike - says:
yes there is
Untitled V2.0 says:
ok
Mike - says:
you'll have to wait and see
Untitled V2.0 says:
what?
Untitled V2.0 says:
wait and see
Neonic says:
lol
Mike - says:
yeah
Neonic says:
lol
Neonic says:
try it
Neonic says:
ok do it
Untitled V2.0 says:
yu gonna have a hissy fit?
Neonic says:
just do it
Mike - says:
I will
Mike - says:
yeah man
Neonic says:
lol
Mike - says:
Im going to claw my way thorugh this pc and onto yo face
Untitled V2.0 says:
loll
Untitled V2.0 says:
ill ****ing whack my dick in yo fac
Untitled V2.0 says:
e
Mike - says:
you'ds enjoy that too much
Untitled V2.0 says:
yeh i know
Mike - says:
dick cheese man
Neonic says:
dude
Mike - says:
that should be your nickname
Untitled V2.0 says:
yar speak from experience
Neonic says:
you is really absolutely nothing you can do from a legal standpoint
Neonic says:
what else do you got
Mike - says:
you'll see
Mike - says:
and trust me it'll be ea bitch
Neonic says:
what are you going to haxor my boxen?
Mike - says:
but liek someone said, don't sink and be low like the
Mike - says:
haha
Mike - says:
yeah
Neonic says:
lol
Mike - says:
if I could... x_X
Neonic says:
try it
Untitled V2.0 says:
gonna haxer his little brothers boxer shorts
Neonic says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
do a port scan
Neonic says:
do a port scan youll find a butthole
Neonic says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
lol
Untitled V2.0 says:
can you take us to court
Untitled V2.0 says:
please
Neonic says:
yeh do
Neonic says:
ill ****ing shut you down
Mike - says:
yeah you wish you coulkd
Neonic says:
and youll end up wasting thousands in an international copyright suit
Mike - says:
haha
Neonic says:
that you lose
Mike - says:
ban me from the site and forums
Mike - says:
we'll see
Neonic says:
we are
Neonic says:
its ok
Mike - says:
you are a bucnh of little bitches
Neonic says:
what are you gonna haxor our sitezen
Neonic says:
lol
Neonic says:
we are the little bitches
Neonic says:
?
Mike - says:
not beakshy
Mike - says:
well OI dont know what hes doing
Neonic says:
your the one with the temper tantrum
Mike - says:
but hes just agreeing Im guessing
Mike - says:
hahahahahahahah
Mike - says:
yeah almost
Neonic says:
lol
Neonic says:
almost ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and you know it
Mike - says:
kids
Neonic says:
dude
Mike - says:
women
Mike - says:
what do you want
Neonic says:
your the same age as me you ****ing tard
Beakshy says:
****in child.
Mike - says:
womnen
Mike - says:
haha
Mike - says:
who?
Mike - says:
me?
Beakshy says:
you ******
Neonic says:
yes
Mike - says:
woah
Neonic says:
you ******
 
Umm...from what I understand you got booted off some mod team and came here to tell us about it. Did I get that right?
 
Mike i knew you where coming straight onto this forum.

I got other logs you just posted the one where we got stressed out at each other.

Trying to discredit the mod *tut* *tut*
 
I want to get a petition going to get them not being able to use my work
becuase they refruse to take it off

haha, get away, you deserver this

no take my work off the website and this all ends
ujust do one simple favor, get rid of mywork
 
Mike you had an binding agreement with us about work.

I'm not going to drag this out into the public.
 
no, delete my wrok = pettion is starting, Im getting people to sing if they will, I dont want a mod with a bunch of little immature people that are always putting me down and streain me iek shite give them my work? wtf
Mike
 
A petiton to challenge a legally binding document?

Fair use act anyone?
 
A petition isn't going to accomplish anything.

It also looks like a personal issue between you and the mod leaders. I see no reason why you posted it.

Additionally, I'm not going to read through a few pages of incoherent IM conversation.

If you really want people to listen, I'd suggest summerizing things.
 
they blocked me thats why I cna't discuss it, I just want them to get rid of my work
 
We are having some cooling off period mike.

Tempers have been frayed and i don't think it's wise to continue discussions tonight.
 
ENGLISH MOTHER****ER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

i might read all that bullshit once you translate it to legible english.

other than that i dont think anyone cares about you or your models. probably not even the mod.
 
haha,
why don't they just get rid of them then? that's what I want, cool off period my ass
 
I think you know the answer to that question Mike, we explained to you when you signed it.
 
haha guess what, mods are free, you can't make an agreement... DELETE EM or don't have a moddb account
 
Wow as soon as we explain the situation to them like i explained to the moderators here we will have it back simple enough.

MODS may be free but a content contract is still legally binding.

Research the "Fair Use Clause" do you think we would not research it before we made people sign it.

As much as I would love to chat, I have college tommorow(Yay binary!)
 
um,
Im sorry what/ maybe you should just delete them and end the dispute since you siad I can be replaced, do it
 
Let me get this straight, when you joined the mod you agreed to something saying they could use your work even if you left? And now you don't want them to?

If that is the case then you should honor the original agreement, whether is was legal or not.
 
lol,
no it was just a little while ago, but I stated if I was kciked you couldn't and that was what happened x_x
 
bring a bucket eh? how about you take my stuff awya, the plague can stop... maybe I should use your choice of words "f*ck you"
 
No you did not. You never stipulated that when you signed the legally binding (yes that is what it is a legally binding contract), that we could not continue to use your work. Once you signed that agreement, it was set in stone. We can prove that it was you who did sign the agreement. We are not in the wrong here. You agreed to it, and your claims are that us, the mod leaders, are the unethic the mod leaders, are the unethical, while you after signing a contract are posting on every major hl2 forum on the internet that you could find. You are trying, and failing miserably, to get some community support, to break a legal contract. It is not going to work. Even if everyone buys your little charade that we are the big bad ethically wrong mod team, the contract still holds, and we can use your work (giving you credit, of course)
 
Letters said:
So what type of "work" is in dispute here?

Looks like mainly gun models from what I saw on the mod page. They are quite good by the way. Nice work on them oldfaq.

And ben, nice mod in general. Looks quite promising.
 
actually theres about 13 more waiting on the list
and I dont want them to use any of them... and don't give me this bull, you changed my writing so that when this happened it would look like I wore that, I had edited my post, but since you guys went trhoguh and edited every single one of mine and changed it, hmmm IMMATURE< and have fun on vent trust me I know something
 
oh, Top 100 you're knocked off of it, and you deserve to be until you agree to let go of my work
 
Neutrino said:
Looks like mainly gun models from what I saw on the mod page. They are quite good by the way. Nice work on them oldfaq.

And ben, nice mod in general. Looks quite promising.
Most of the gun models look like they were done by "beakshy," and from the looks of that conversation he posted, "beakshy" was the one firing someone. Am I reading something wrong?

EDIT: 700th post :)
 
ok, this threa dis about to be closed, but I just wanted people to see this and have a chance to respond...

If I remember correctly, a fairly recent (last year or so) court decsion stated that online user agreements (ie what you click to register for e-mail) are NOT legally binding agreements.

Now i'm not sure about the situation that you have here. If you physically signed it with a pen and there were witnesses that can verify the validity of the original document, then what you signed stands. If you said "I agree" on an online forum where the other party has the capability to edit posts, then it become much, much more tricky.

In general, the legal situation surronding mods is very.... well, not concrete. You wouldn't get anywhere trying to bring a lawsuit against people trying to use your models, although they are, as your creations, your intellectual property. A lawsuit would be a waste of time/money.

However, if they have the physical models on thier HDD, they're really not much you can, other than get angry and try and get people to dislike thier mod (which you're apperently trying to do here.

As a mod leader myself, I wouldn't use the models of a team member if they left/quit/etc. However, if some arrangment was made prior to this, there shouldn't be public anger over it. Unless they changed the terms of the agreement without getting you to re-agree to it.


However, I don't know the exact details, so I can't take a definitive side.


If either of you would like to talk to me, you have my e-mail/aim, and I'm on irc.

If you're gonna respond to this thread at all, let it be in regard to this post... I'll close it soon regardless.
 
Well we have said what we wanted to.

He spammed all the major half life 2 sites.

He got our moddb closed(which we just got re opened)

We setup the contract so we wouldnt get in a sticky situation if a person walked out/got fired then they wouldnt cripple the MOD if they took a lot of previous work with them. And we expect people to abide to that.

When we researched and implemented the agreement it was still legally binding(there might be a different set of rules for what we put in place.)
 
Unless the leaving team member gives you their blessing and permission to use the work they created you should NOT use their work.

I lead several mod teams for different games and one thing is certain, team building is one of the foundations of good mod making. It seems some members of your team were mistreated, therefore causing them enough trouble so as to want to leave and not allow you to use the work they had already made.

Remember: The members of your team are not being PAID to work for/with you, they do not OWE YOU anything at all and any electronic document can be forged. His work is his legally and ethically. If he doesn't want to allow you to keep the work he made before leaving then you simply shouldn't use it, did you give him anything in return for it? Any sort of payment?

I would trust other mod teams would do what is right in this case, in my years of modding and leading a mod team I have NEVER had a member leave with bad feeling towards anyone on the team, as a result, if anyone leaves on any of my teams I thank them for helping out, ask them if I can use their work and then remove their access to the team's private forums/ftp.

Very simple, very straightforward, painless and effective. I'm still friends with all of these people that leave for one reason or the other, some of them have made it in the industry and as a result I have contact with game developers.

This is giving your mod a bad reputation, I'd suggest you watch your step now, maybe you should accept oldfaq's request and honor him as a former team member.
 
Sounds to me like they shouldn't be using his work, legal or not it's the decent thing to do.
 
Rico said:
Unless the leaving team member gives you their blessing and permission to use the work they created you should NOT use their work.

I would normally agree with you completely, but if there was a prior agreement between the parties involved then I think that agreement should be honored. If oldfaq agreed to this when he signed up then it's not right to try to go back on it now, in my opinion.

But I don't really know as no one has yet explained what really happened or what kind of agreement this was. So you might be right as well. Regardless, your points about how to handle mod team members are good advice.
 
Rico without knowing behind why he was fired you would understand our situation a bit more.

We already gave him 1 chance to change his ways after he caused major disruption to our mod, then he did it again and spilled a dispute with 1 of our members onto a public section of our site and caused emotional harm to the other member.

I'm not going to go with the history of oldfaq neither am I gonna paste edited chat logs like he did.

You maybe a leader of 7 MOD's that probably means that you have a full team to work with you. We do not and if someone walks out at the moment a major chunk of work goes with them. We will give him full credit to all his work, he also knew what the terms and conditions were when he joined the MOD if he did'nt like them he should of not agreed to them.

We had to fire him because he was in danger of tearing the MOD apart.
 
I work with 5 mod teams at the moment and I'm only leading 1 right now.

I can understand your dilemma when it comes to losing a large portion of the mod due to someone leaving seeing as all of my teams still need more members to fill up all the positions.

However, seeing as I have been in situations where some team members have had to leave it is best to part with them as friends instead of bitter rivalry, don't you think that if you'd been a bit more civil in your argument with the guy he would have allowed you to keep his work? I've had my share of disputes with team members, lost many fine people I could call friends, all due to various reasons but never due to petty problems with each other, always either Real Life issues or work offers from game developers (seems to be a trend on all my teams, heh).

In the end you have to keep things in perspective and realize that teams are fragile entities that need nourishment. I hope all of you learned from this so you can avoid huge messes like these in the future.
 
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