Was Breen killed too soon?

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The man seemed to know what was going on with Gordon's relationship with the G-Man, and he was a tie to the Combine. Trust me, I hated him as much as anyone in HL2, but his cryptic comments and propaganda was highly enjoyable.

I just feel like the first episode or two could have used some more hints from Breen...we didn't get enough out of him when we had the chance.
 
Nobody knows about Breen, maybe he is a host body or just died in splosion. Maybe Ep2 will tell, hang in tight. :p
 
lol, sif it's obvious.
 
If he was killed, then yes, it was too soon. He was just too important to die. We needed him. He was just way too cool a character to have been silenced so fast.

Plus everyone knows I always agreed with Dr. Breen, so of course I'm gonna say they shouldn't have killed him off (if they did).
 
He's an awesome character, but if he really has died I wouldn't be too bothered at this point because I can't really see him playing any sort of important role in the Episodes.
 
He's probably dead IMO. I doubt we'll get a definite answer. First one to point out he's dead because Frohman landed on him will be shot.
 
Samon said:
He's an awesome character, but if he really has died I wouldn't be too bothered at this point because I can't really see him playing any sort of important role in the Episodes.
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agreed. good riddance....his death opens the door for a new fun villian to deal with anyways
 
hungryduck said:
agreed. good riddance...
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^^ ROFL

He's dead. There's no way he could have teleported out of the citadel (unless he got sent out in the last transmission), and unless the G-man saved him, he got blown up in the initial blast.
 
ríomhaire said:
He's probably dead IMO. I doubt we'll get a definite answer. First one to point out he's dead because Frohman landed on him will be shot.
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I was just about to do that :p

But i whould like to see Breen again. Not as some slug in a host body but in person... There is a reason for finding him thou... He has the teleport tech thingy in his pocket.
 
I liked Breen, he want way to soon. Very well written character, he thought he was doing a favor for humanity.

Half-life needs a human villain, anyway.
 
Breen was my second favorate character (Alyx is my #1 favorate character), I hope to see him again; He seemed like a very intellegent man with intellect, he has a larger vocabulary compared to other ordinary people, & I would love to hear his voice again. I loved when he did the propaganda telling people we should unite & when he did the the anti-rebel speech about Freeman like he was a danger (Infact I felt impowered by the anti- Freeman speech & it makes me stronger :devil:, I love annoying Breeny).
 
He has the teleport tech thingy in his pocket.
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Heheh. "Is that a teleporter in your pocket or..?"

Aaannyhow... yeah, Breen definitely shouldn't be dead yet; he may not belong in the episodic content with the Citadel destroyed and all, but maybe he'll show up in HL3.
One thing I've been wondering about for a while... Breen was about to go through the portal before you blew it up, right? Then why was he still in his own body?
"I can't survive that!"..."A host body?"..."All right!"
His reaction seems to suggest that the conditions on the other side (or while-going-through) the portal would be instantly fatal... so why wasn't he in a host body while in the bubble-thing?
 
Ashitaka said:
Very well written character, he was doing a favor for humanity.
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Fixed. ;)

Mahalis said:
One thing I've been wondering about for a while... Breen was about to go through the portal before you blew it up, right? Then why was he still in his own body?
"I can't survive that!"..."A host body?"..."All right!"
His reaction seems to suggest that the conditions on the other side (or while-going-through) the portal would be instantly fatal... so why wasn't he in a host body while in the bubble-thing?
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Not instantly fatal. After he teleported he would've undergone the change. The same thing was planned for Alyx Vance...but interestingly, not Eli Vance. "As for the young Miss Vance, her talents will be put practical use on the other side of a Combine portal, after a simple medical procedure to enable her to survive the transition."

Also interesting is that it seems Combine portals in general aren't safe for human use. You need modification to travel through them, or to survive after using them, not just to live on the worlds they go to.
 
Darkside55 said:
Not instantly fatal. After he teleported he would've undergone the change. The same thing was planned for Alyx Vance...but interestingly, not Eli Vance. "As for the young Miss Vance, her talents will be put practical use on the other side of a Combine portal, after a simple medical procedure to enable her to survive the transition."

Also interesting is that it seems Combine portals in general aren't safe for human use. You need modification to travel through them, or to survive after using them, not just to live on the worlds they go to.
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Was that a cut line or are you making shit up? I only remember him saying:
"[on Alyx's stubbornness] We'll see how well it serves you, on the other side of a Combine portal"
 
Snip snip. You know I don't go around making shit up willy-nilly. Robert Culp recorded it...but you'll never hear it. ;)
 
But if they did it to her, what would they change her into a Combine Advisor or a Combine Soldier like the overwatch; If they did do it then she would look like a Combine Assasin which Samon loves :p, or would she be turned into a Stalker whom she would be a human slave to the combine for the rest of known time.

It scares me to even think the Combine would do that to her, very scary; Just imagine the amount of pain she would go through, the agony. It will not be a pretty process, just like what happened to Anakin Skywalker when he was turned into Darth Vader; Very painful process, the horror...Its on par with Hitler, so Breen is sort of like him.
 
Nothing so flattering I'd think. Probably closer to a stalker than anything else.
 
Darkside55 said:
Nothing so flattering I'd think. Probably closer to a stalker than anything else.
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Its just so wrong, genocide, indescribable evil; Most of those who became stalkers where sent to various area where the combine empire controlled. Even though its jsut a game, it just shows you how some one can have little disreguard for humanity.
 
"Evil" is relative. I wonder if the Combine think of themselves as an "evil empire"?
 
Breen is not dead. It's obvious.

If you have a slightest idea of storytelling.
 
Jintor said:
"Evil" is relative. I wonder if the Combine think of themselves as an "evil empire"?
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They do, and they love it.

ríomhaire said:
Yes...yes you do.
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Nah, nothing I say's ever just pulled out of my ass, although it usually looks that way. :LOL: But I'd never just make something up that didn't have anything behind it. SPM needs some kind of factual basis, doesn't it? I try to set a good example whenever possible. ;)

So it isn't conical, just as the line about him relying on Gordon to fail in BM.
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I'd say it's canonical for something like this. Insignificant things, things that aren't like to be explained any time soon--or at all. Things that have no better answer. Especially in this case, since it's not breaking canon or introducing anything new into the story...simply elaborating on what's already been said.

Example, Black Mesa's known to be nuked. I've heard Eli SAY it got nuked. Doesn't break canon, elaborates on something previously said or implied. Therefore, it can be considered canon.

I mentioned recently in another thread about the Combine hailing from, or having some kind of importance in, the Aleph universe. Nothing was ever said about that cut line, so you could say it's not canon, despite the fact that it's not breaking any rules of the story and probably has no bearing on anything else, and might never. There's lots of things like that...I'd try to give an example of something that was cut that breaks canon, but I can't really think of anything off the top of my head.

Except for maybe, Elena Mossman. Things like that you can pretty much throw right out.
 
Keane said:
Yes he is
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I cant beleive concerned is over now....WHY DID YOU TURN OFF BUDDHA MODE?! WHY!? WE LOVED YOU FROHMAN!!!!.....and riomhaire what is with that quote in your sig? And Darkside, where did Eli say BM got nuked.....and wtf is the Aleph universe?
 
That better not be a thinly-veiled "Gordon is G-man" theory, Azner. -_-

Mesz, it's just stuff that was cut from the final game. You should just consider it side info that may or may not have any more relevance to the story. This stuff gets cut for a reason, whether because of time, or the line didn't work, maybe it was stated in better terms somewhere else or was better just being alluded to rather than being spelled out, maybe that particular plot point was scrapped...all kinds of reasons, so take them with a grain of salt.

Anyhoo, Eli Vance recounts the details of the Black Mesa Incident in pretty good detail, talks about what happened to him, about Alyx, laments about all the people who died at Black Mesa and during the portal storms. Then he says, "What's important is that we survived. Black Mesa is a crater now. But we're still here...and I've got my daughter with me."

Aleph universe is a clever joke. Valve was originally making two projects, an FPS called Quiver and a puzzle/adventure game called Prospero. Prospero was eventually dropped, a bunch of stuff got merged into Quiver (which got nearly a complete overhaul) and they called the new project Half-Life. In Prospero, the main character was a female protagonist called The Librarian, or Aleph. (You can read a bit more about Prospero in Raising the Bar)

During the "Breenscene" in the citadel, where you're captured, Breen makes some comments about how the teleporters are unsafe for human use, and they're trying to fix that so they can travel to the Aleph universe without going nuts or losing control of their bodies or whatever he means by, "keeping your faculties intact." Talks a whole mess of crap about it. Was probably cut for length and/or because they're either going to use it later as a surprise or they changed their minds about it and will never bring it up again.

Anyway, grain of salt and all that.
 
Mesz said:
riomhaire what is with that quote in your sig?
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It's a quote from http://www.fstdt.com/


Darkside55 said:
I'd say it's canonical for something like this. Insignificant things, things that aren't like to be explained any time soon--or at all. Things that have no better answer. Especially in this case, since it's not breaking canon or introducing anything new into the story...simply elaborating on what's already been said.
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Well, Breen was clearly going without any augmentations, only a bubble, therefor proving you can go through the portal without any operations, you just need a bubble :p
 
Darkside55 said:
That better not be a thinly-veiled "Gordon is G-man" theory, Azner. -_-

Mesz, it's just stuff that was cut from the final game. You should just consider it side info that may or may not have any more relevance to the story. This stuff gets cut for a reason, whether because of time, or the line didn't work, maybe it was stated in better terms somewhere else or was better just being alluded to rather than being spelled out, maybe that particular plot point was scrapped...all kinds of reasons, so take them with a grain of salt.

Anyhoo, Eli Vance recounts the details of the Black Mesa Incident in pretty good detail, talks about what happened to him, about Alyx, laments about all the people who died at Black Mesa and during the portal storms. Then he says, "What's important is that we survived. Black Mesa is a crater now. But we're still here...and I've got my daughter with me."

Aleph universe is a clever joke. Valve was originally making two projects, an FPS called Quiver and a puzzle/adventure game called Prospero. Prospero was eventually dropped, a bunch of stuff got merged into Quiver (which got nearly a complete overhaul) and they called the new project Half-Life. In Prospero, the main character was a female protagonist called The Librarian, or Aleph. (You can read a bit more about Prospero in Raising the Bar)

During the "Breenscene" in the citadel, where you're captured, Breen makes some comments about how the teleporters are unsafe for human use, and they're trying to fix that so they can travel to the Aleph universe without going nuts or losing control of their bodies or whatever he means by, "keeping your faculties intact." Talks a whole mess of crap about it. Was probably cut for length and/or because they're either going to use it later as a surprise or they changed their minds about it and will never bring it up again.

Anyway, grain of salt and all that.
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I remember launching a nuke in BM, i remember though, unless it was not to hit BM but somewhere else well, you win i guess. I remember launching that nuke. A scientist told you to launch it i think... or was it the barney before your tram ride to hell
 
It wasn't a nuke. It was a satellite that stopped the resonance cascade. The nuke was actually the G-man's work. In OpFor, you disarm a nuclear warhead the black ops are guarding, kill them, and take a lift down to the final boss. Just before the lift descends, you can see the G-man rearm the bomb. Then after the game, the G-man says something along the lines of, "I cannot finish my report until certain loose ends have been tied up."

*Flash of a nuclear explosion in the background*

"Quite so."

And yeah, you know, I wonder why Gordon just didn't pop Breen's bubble from a safe location. That would've done him in for sure and we wouldn't be wondering if he survived or not.
 
So... did you invent the name "Aleph universe" to refer to the (as far as I know) undescribed place that Breen was going, or did you rip it from the Datafiles? Or somewhere else?

If you got it from a semi-canon source, could you please expound on these findings for those of us who aren't master fanon-theorists/hackers/resource-diggers?
 
Inyssius Grey said:
So... did you invent the name "Aleph universe" to refer to the (as far as I know) undescribed place that Breen was going, or did you rip it from the Datafiles? Or somewhere else?

If you got it from a semi-canon source, could you please expound on these findings for those of us who aren't master fanon-theorists/hackers/resource-diggers?
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Cut soundfiles. Also, I don't think the Aleph universe was where he was going. This is just going to be my own speculation now, and remember that since it was cut, it could have changed...I'm trying to bridge two things here that might not even be able to be bridged anymore, and this could be wildly off, sooooo...grain of salt! (I've half-a-mind to put that in my sig)

The scene that we know of has Breen threatening to send Alyx and Eli through a portal that is "hardly the worst" thing he could do to them, but it's pretty bad. In the following scene where he speaks to the advisor, he's told he needs a host body because the destination is untenable. Untenable actually doesn't mean you'd die the instant you got there, just the conditions are probably extremely painful and couldn't support human life for any extended period of time. Untenable is literally, "not fit to be occupied."

Now the original scene--which was far, far longer--talks more in detail about the portals and what Breen was planning, etc. The Aleph universe part:

"Well...if you'd like to reconsider your involvement in the program, Eli, it would make a huge difference in how quickly we can make the Combine portals safe for human use. That way Alyx and even yourself might be able to travel to the Aleph universe with your faculties intact. That is our ultimate goal after all, to move freely through the continuum, to make our insipient immortality worthwhile."

That's the plan for the portals. Traveling to the Aleph universe is the ultimate end for the human race, or at the very least the ability to travel there--and anywhere else the Combine portals might go. And this is when humans have already achieved the immortality that Breen is constantly speaking of. And he's offering it to Eli in exchange for his help, not as a threat but a reward perhaps, or at least a concession. So the Aleph universe isn't the untenable destination he refers to in the game, or even in these cuts, because he later says he'll be sending Alyx through a Combine portal somewhere where she'll need a medical procedure to survive.
 
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