What are you?

What religion are you

  • Atheist

    Votes: 71 57.3%

  • Christian

    Votes: 25 20.2%

  • Jew

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Muslim

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 22 17.7%

  • Hindu

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Buddhist

    Votes: 3 2.4%
  • Total voters
    124
mindless_moder said:
in any case the commandments are derived as being anti-god or in other words they contain all the actions that directly go against the nature of god so it would be kind of ironic for that same god to abide them.
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what he said
 
You have five minutes to live. What do you do? You have to do something profound, significant, something that will leave your mark on the world and etch your memory into the foreheads of the founding fathers.

I'd probably just masturbate.
 
Ennui said:
He says a lot of crazy shit like that, I'm reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra and it takes 3-4 minutes per page because I have to read it all twice and then figure out what in the hell he's talking about :O However there are loads of interesting points he makes. I'm not sure if I subscribe to his theories and ideas in general, but it's definitely food for thought. The Ubermensch (overman/superman) and the three metamorphoses of the spirit are in particular are tasty.
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Yeah? Read it in the original German, you great pansy.
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/me makes quiet mental note to go to library and find books
 
The problem with atheism is that you have too many people with no ideals and fight club mentalities. It's better for society to have the population with spiritual investments or something equivalent I think.
 
Dan said:
The problem with atheism is that you have too many people with no ideals and fight club mentalities. It's better for society to have the population with spiritual investments or something equivalent I think.
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lol, ignorant generalization based on BS religious propaganda ftl.
 
Shit point.

Plus, it in no way validates religious belief. Is being alive and in control of your own life not enough?
 
Krynn72 said:
lol, ignorant generalization based on BS religious propaganda ftl.
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How is that irnorant or based on religious propaganda? I didn't even mention religion. I just pointed out that a lot of people are drifting through life.
 
Dan said:
The problem with atheism is that you have too many people with no ideals and fight club mentalities. It's better for society to have the population with spiritual investments or something equivalent I think.
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What an absolute crock of shit. Please slap yourself. Here's what you're saying in a nutshell.

"Atheists don't believe in gods."
THEREFORE
"Atheists don't have ideals! Atheists are anarchists! They're just drifting, aimless, blobs of flesh! There is no purpose or order in life without religion!"

Ignoring the dumbass assumption that people are incapable of aspiring to ideals or goals in life without (insert God here), you're being borderline libellous. Where has this godless "fight club" mentality manifested itself? I don't mean some pissy Myspace entry. I want you to point out some examples of atheists deliberately sabotaging society. I've certainly never done so, nor do I know of any atheist who has as a consequence of his or her lack of belief. This is exactly the kind of slander the religious right has convinced so many people of, but the truth is that your average atheist is just as well-adjusted and normal as the next guy. If we were really the kind of deranged, anti-social sociopaths you and others seem to think we are, then I would expect there to be violence as a result of our atheism.

Needless to say, there is no credence to that idea.
 
Notice he said 'too many people', he didn't say every single atheist, i can relate to his point because i know a few atheists who dont believe in fate, purpose, anything, that they just happened because their parents decided to have sex one night, so they are just gonna survive because they have no other option. Maybe they are hardcore atheists, but they are pretty big fags.

But not all atheists are like that, as you just said yourself
 
Shift said:
Notice he said 'too many people', he didn't say every single atheist, i can relate to his point because i know a few atheists who dont believe in fate, purpose, anything, that they just happened because their parents decided to have sex one night
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But every athiest believes that, any Athiest who believes in fate, purpose or any of that bullshit like that isn't an athiest.
 
I guess so, just watch the end of series 1 of lost, and Loch says to Jack, that the difference between them two is that he is a man of faith, and Jack is a man of science, thats what distinguishes Jack's lack of faith because his very life is involved in the science, logic and facts of life, while Loch's isn't. See i would say im a man of faith and science, i do like good, solid facts, but i do believe in destiny, fate, soul etc.

Just thought i would point it out :)
 
Dan said:
The problem with atheism is that you have too many people with no ideals and fight club mentalities. It's better for society to have the population with spiritual investments or something equivalent I think.
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That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've read all day. Kudos. I won't go into detail because you've already received a verbal ass whooping from other users.
 
Dan said:
How is that irnorant or based on religious propaganda? I didn't even mention religion. I just pointed out that a lot of people are drifting through life.
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What Absinthe said.

Notice he said 'too many people', he didn't say every single atheist, i can relate to his point because i know a few atheists who dont believe in fate, purpose, anything, that they just happened because their parents decided to have sex one night, so they are just gonna survive because they have no other option. Maybe they are hardcore atheists, but they are pretty big fags.

But not all atheists are like that, as you just said yourself
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Except thats not what he said, and thats not what atheism is. Just because we dont have some sort of faith based morality, and dont believe in some "higher purpose" doesnt mean we dont have ideals and have "fight club" mentality. Thats complete bullshit that was just pulled out of some religious guys ass when he felt threatened by Atheism, and now it seems to be taking hold amongst the majority of Theists all over the place. We Atheists are the most hated minority in the US now because all this slanderous filth being spewed by a base of vocal, ignorant, bigoted fools who use their religion as a tool to spread their hate and misinformation.
 
I'm strong atheist.
Maybe I should say something more but no one can describe atheism better than Dr.Dawkins:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jjDLKMswM[/YOUTUBE]
 
I agree on your point on religion, thats why i have morality based faith, im strongly against thinghs like going to the church, following rules from a book, confessing sins. Priests simply cannot learn the biblical studies and then think they can say to someone who shot someone in cold blood, you're forgiven, thats where my logical side starts to cut in.

It also completely contradicts christianity's beliefs, as God intended for the human race to have free will, the ten commandments i believe were made up yonks ago because civilisation was getting out of hand, and they used the bait of going to heaven or hell if you choose to abide by these simple rules. But for the record, most of the ten commandments or, i think, valid ways of living a life, but i just dont like the idea of having to control your own life for supossed benefits in the next life.

I do strongly open the door to the possibility of the next life, as i open the door to there being absultely nothing happening once dead, I believe in God, in a way, and i live by morals. I believe there is more to this life than what we see here and that we have a soul, as i have said before.

But the traditional people of religion, i believe a lot of it is a con, and i think strong religion makes more wars than peace, imo.

EDIT: Dawkin's description is the clearist i have seen and i now do fully understand atheism, which is why my faith is kinda custom made, or rational christianity combined with buddism, i believe fully in living this life to its fullest and experiancing everything i can possibly experiance, to fear of nothing or to face any fears rather than run away from them, to not fear death and stand up for what is the right thing to do. Thank you Dr. Dawkins, its because he is English, we are always correct :D
 
I'm Christian with several qualifiers.

I don't believe in the laws of Moses, the land of Israel, David and Goliath, The Garden of Eden, and all of that nonsense about Christ.

In fact I seriously doubt the existence of the Bible.
 
The Bible i think is just fictional stories teaching of moral values
 
Shift said:
The Bible i think is just fictional stories teaching of moral values
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Like how it teaches the murder of childeren or the rapeing of woman? :rolleyes:


But yeah, it is better to have custom made faith as your not bound by ridiculous rules.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Like how it teaches the murder of childeren or the rapeing of woman? :rolleyes:
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You start with a simple bunch of moral values and ethics. Build a shell of stories around them. Build a shell around that with ritual and beuracracy. Then use these stories, rituals, organisation and ethics to gain power and beat the **** out of people you don't like.

Actually, Bible probably stopped at shell of stories, maybe ritual. >>
 
Shift said:
Notice he said 'too many people', he didn't say every single atheist, i can relate to his point because i know a few atheists who dont believe in fate, purpose, anything, that they just happened because their parents decided to have sex one night, so they are just gonna survive because they have no other option. Maybe they are hardcore atheists, but they are pretty big fags.

But not all atheists are like that, as you just said yourself
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"Too many" is still bullshit. That implies some kind of significant problem or epidemic. There's nothing to support his musings, neither in size or scope.

On a somewhat related note, I very much tire of this idea that theists have aims in lives whereas atheists don't. I've never seen this supported in practice. Theists believe in a god waiting at the end of their lives, but that doesn't give much of any direction in life itself. It doesn't direct them to what kind of job they'd like, who they'd like to be friends with, what their desired salary is, where they want to live when they retire, et cetera. People are generally clueless as to what they want in life until its right in their faces, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof. For instance, that there are so many Christians in the United States living in poor areas doing dead-end menial jobs is every indication that theism offers no substantial direction in life. You can't honestly tell me that God wants to inspire people to be janitors or live on the welfare system.
 
Wow, you guys are really angry at me. I was just saying that a lot of people lack any kind of significant attatchment in their lives. I said spiritual or something equivalent. I didn't say you have to go to church. Have you seen the movie fight club? Do you sympathize with the feeling of disenfranchisement? Ever feel like nothing is really that important anyways?

And for the record , I haven't been to church in about 3 years, I wasn't raised to be religious, and I don't believe in god, but believe it or not, religion does serve a puprpose in society and in the lives of many people.
 
Dan said:
Wow, you guys are really angry at me. I was just saying that a lot of people lack any kind of significant attatchment in their lives. I said spiritual or something equivalent. I didn't say you have to go to church. Have you seen the movie fight club? Do you sympathize with the feeling of disenfranchisement? Ever feel like nothing is really that important anyways?
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Your conclusion was that an absence of religious faith entails an absence of ideals or values. That is ludicrous. If you're going to renege and say that such attachment doesn't need to be spiritual, then why target atheists in the first place?

I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel disenfranchised or alienated in some regards. After all, I am apparently part of the most hated minority in the United States. Are you trying to imply that my feelings are unjustified? If there has ever been a "fight club" mentality amongst atheists (at least in the United States), it has been a direct result of the shit that atheism has gotten over the years. It has nothing to do with atheism itself.

That you even feel it's appropriate to ask me if I think anything is important in life is a good indicator that you have some very flawed conceptions about atheists. I think the quality of human life is important. I think that strong companionship among friends and loved ones is important. I think that striving towards an ideal of public, honest, intellectual discourse is important. What happens on this planet is what matters to me. Not what happens in the heavens.

And for the record , I haven't been to church in about 3 years, I wasn't raised to be religious, and I don't believe in god, but believe it or not, religion does serve a puprpose in society and in the lives of many people.
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Religion serves no purpose that can't be achieved through other secular means. If you have any fears of death, or you feel confused and lost in life, then go see a therapist. He or she should do a good job of helping you out without requiring you to hate homosexuals or shoehorn impossibilities like immaculate conceptions into your brain. Finding difficulty in deciding what stance to take on an issue? Turn to a textbook instead of the Bible. It might come as a surprise, but making a concerted effort to read and learn is generally the best way to make up your own mind. Having trouble with your morals? Learn to think of morality as a matter of human happiness and suffering and go from there. Don't make moral decisions based off appeasing God.

Religion fails at doing many things, and anything it does do well it does so half-assedly in comparison to methods and concepts grounded in the real world.
 
Hear, hear. Seriously, Dan, being atheists doesn't mean that our lives lack meaning.
 
I never said it did, I just said that religion is a source of meaning for many people and society in general.
 
Absinthe said:
Then it begs the question as to why you started off with:
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In general I believe that atheists are more adrift and cynical, less attached to the world they live in. That doesn't mean that religion is the only place to find meaning and all athiests don't have meaning in their lives, but for most of the people in the world, religion is where they get that, and without it a lot of people are just cynical and angry.
 
I'm confused why some theists call the life of an atheist empty and pointless. It's quite the other way around. As an atheist, I live by the assumption this life is all I have and I have to make the most of it. For a theist on the other hand, who truly believes in a life after this one, this life is absolutely irrelevant. This life is just a steppingstone to the next, where you just brownnose your deity to get a spot in eternally glorious heaven. Who cares if you spend the 80 years you have here in suffering, as long as you do it while serving Christ? Who cares if your life is one big hell, 80 years of that is infinitely shorter than the infinity of joy you'll enter after it. Human life shouldn't really be valued or protected, if someone you love dies, you should celebrate it. You should be happy they're in a better place and there's only a few decades at most that seperates you from them.

My life isn't meaningless just because I don't derive meaning from a deity, my life is all the more meaningful because I choose my own meaning.
 
Proud member of the Godless Hippy Fag-Loving Secular Commie Satan-Worshipping Athiest crowd reporting for duty!
 
I think losing a loved one for an atheist must be a lot harder for them than a theist
 
What if you knew they were as good as gold lol
 
As I've said in another thread, Christian, although I seldom go to church now.
 
Polaris said:
I'm strong atheist.
Maybe I should say something more but no one can describe atheism better than Dr.Dawkins:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jjDLKMswM[/YOUTUBE]
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It's funny this guy denies the existance of any god, yet all he has to do to find one is look in the mirror.

This man is a genius (well obviously, but seriously, he is awesome)
 
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