What Bush got right

[Gray Fox]

By Calanen:

You can't keep troops out in the field for too long if you have a democracy, probably Vietnam was the longest stretch you are ever gonna get without the people going berserk. So unless the terrorists are crushed completely in Iraq, the troops are not going to go to Syria or Iran. Unless either of the above does something particularly stupid. Syria will not. Iran might.
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You think the US kept their forces in vietnam to ensure democracy.


Besides all of this means nothing at all, and doesn't necessairly have to do with the bush administration at all, as far as I know this move of seria has to do with the deat hof that importatnt lebanees guy and the protests. It has nothing to do with the war in Iraq.

 

[CptStern]

Resorting to 5 year old photochops now Stern? tsk tsk tsk... Sad.

at least I dont resort to racist comments, bigot

 

[Bodacious]

If you use Zell Miller again I will shoot my self. I already pointed out to you on many occasions that just because he claims he is a democrat that doesn't mean he is. When asked by Al Colmes what he agrees with the Democrats on he couldn't give a response; so how is he a democrat if he doesn't agree with anything the democrats do while he follows the republican line perfectly? Please, get off the crack as it seems to be affecting your memory. I know I pointed this out to you at least on 2 occasions and you didn't give a reply; so if you don't have a reply this time stop using that idiotic example.

Officially Zell Miller is Democrat If you don't believe me, at least believe Wikipedia.

Now go be like Hunter S Thompson.

How about Ed Koch? Another democrat who voted for Bush.

 

[CptStern]

Now go be like Hunter S Thompson.

bodacious, come on, that's not your usual style

 

[GhostFox]

There any source behind this? Or are you just making things up.

Are you really that uninformed?
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And as to the photoshopped pictures, come on guys, is this necessicary? It just makes you look foolish and eliminates the chance of debate. I don't understand the point of posting things that everyone knows are fabrications.

 

[jondy]

I'd rather Bush was right than wrong, because he's in charge, and America exerts enough influence for his mistakes to have repercussions for decades. But there's nothing wrong with questioning an administration, and everything wrong with the 5yrold ' I told you so' mentality that has consistently prevailed among political victors throughout history.

Are you really that uninformed?

You're right, but you could have included a source to prove your point rather than used that piece of petulant rhetoric

 

[GhostFox]

You're right, but you could have included a source to prove your point rather than used that piece of petulant rhetoric

I probably would have if he hadn't accused me of making it up. Also, it is something he could have checked himself in 15 seconds, and that always irratates me. Sorry about that

But there's nothing wrong with questioning an administration

Everyone should question it, but they also need to be willing to be impartial with their judgements afterwards.

 

[jondy]

I probably would have if he hadn't accused me of making it up. Also, it is something he could have checked himself in 15 seconds, and that always irratates me. Sorry about that

No worries, I get my hackles up at some of the stuff written around here

I think the main problem people have with the whole 'spreading democracy' thing is not the results, which right now are looking quite promising; but the reasoning behind them, and the fallacies used to promote said ideaology.

 

[No Limit]

Officially Zell Miller is Democrat If you don't believe me, at least believe Wikipedia.

Now go be like Hunter S Thompson.

How about Ed Koch? Another democrat who voted for Bush.

So I don't agree with anything the Republicans do but I mark Republican on the voter card I am a Republican? Are you serious?

 

[Bodacious]

So I don't agree with anything the Republicans do but I mark Republican on the voter card I am a Republican? Are you serious?

Yes.

Republicans attend democrat primaries all the time and try to get conservative candidates on the ballot. It isn't unheard of. It goes the other way as well.

Lots of judges here are democrats and conservative and aren't republicans because when they ran for office there was already a republican on the ticket.

Not unheard of at all.

 

[Bodacious]

bodacious, come on, that's not your usual style

He said he would shoot himslef. I am holding him to his word.

 

[No Limit]

Yes.

Republicans attend democrat primaries all the time and try to get conservative candidates on the ballot. It isn't unheard of. It goes the other way as well.

Lots of judges here are democrats and conservative and aren't republicans because when they ran for office there was already a republican on the ticket.

Not unheard of at all.

Ok you make a lot of sense. Zell Miller doesn't agree with one single issue with the democrats so the fact he voted for Bush and not Kerry is a huge deal. :smoking:

I'll tell you what, next election I'm changing my party to the Republicans but will vote for a Democrat, because of this you have to take into account my opinion because I am stepping over party lines which must be a huge deal even if I was already going to vote for that person. :smoking: :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

 

[Absinthe]

sucks to be a democrat doesnt it?

Weren't you talking about courtesy or something to me?

Oh wait, you're a hypocrite.

They certainly dont anymore. The changed their minds like john kerry just as soon as things got rough and people were pissed off. They dont deserve credit for an effort they dont support. The only party who consistently supported the war (well, somewhat consistently) is the Republican party.

Of course, because there's no such thing as a liberal/democrat that supported the war, just as there's no such thing as a conservative/republican that was against it!

Any way, good job on taking a completely unnecessary jab at democrats where it wasn't needed.

Keep it in perspective. The guy posted some pictures of historic events related to the topic. There are good things happening in Iraq, and there would be a hell of a lot more if the terrorists were crushed. We all know the bad news, so why not get the other side of the story from time to time?

I interpreted his post as "Don't listen to the naysayers on this board. Listen to the couple of people showed in these photos". But I'll admit I was probably to eager to jump on his post, so that probably wasn't necessary.

Google Zel Miller and find out why he voted for Bush.

Hah! Zell Miller is a joke and not even the Democrats had a particular liking for him. I wouldn't hold anything he says in high regard.

Officially Zell Miller is Democrat If you don't believe me, at least believe Wikipedia.

And journalists and teachers in fascist Italy were "officially" fascists, even though all they required was to sign a piece of paper.

A horse is not a pig even if you call it one. A dog is not a cat even if you call it one. Zell Miller is not a democrat even if you call him one.

And according to your Wikipedia link, Miller completely caved under Christ Matthew's questioning.

 

[Bodacious]

Ok you make a lot of sense. Zell Miller doesn't agree with one single issue with the democrats so the fact he voted for Bush and not Kerry is a huge deal. :smoking:

I'll tell you what, next election I'm changing my party to the Republicans but will vote for a Democrat, because of this you have to take into account my opinion because I am stepping over party lines which must be a huge deal even if I was already going to vote for that person. :smoking: :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

Ok


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[bvasgm]

What Bush got right
In short...very little.

 

[jondy]

Ok


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Bodacious, you aren't making a valid point; this man doesn't stand for anything democrat, therefore he is not a democrat.

That's pretty much the short and short of it

 

[kmack]

I read whole article in Newsweek today, really interesting.

 

[kmack]

What Bush got right
In short...very little.

lol, prepare for the wrath of the right

 

[jondy]

Yeah, if I was pro bush, I'd be like FEEL MY WRATH

To be fair, he has got some stuff right, and you didn't include any evidence to back up your claims, so it's not really a debating point.

 

[Calanen]

What Bush got right
In short...very little.

Says they that Bush got nothing right, or not much right. But the same was said of Reagan, and now the Iron Curtain is gone. Of course that was because communism evolved sufficiently to realise spontaneous freedom for all, and Reagan had nothing to do with it. Choose to believe that if you will, if it gets you through the day,

If you wish to criticise US foreign policy say so. But just making fun of the US President is not helpful or informative. Just a giggle for your mates at the Champagne Socialists function.

 

[CptStern]

"Champagne Socialists "

meh, it's better than "looney left" ..still a generalization

 

[gh0st]

"Champagne Socialists "

meh, it's better than "looney left" ..still a generalization

Id guess it describes the upper class city liberal, a more specific generalization. I think Michael Savage has used it before to describe them.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Woohoo for image searching in a pathetic attempt to appeal to emotion, that way we can completely avoid making an argument!

Any way, I'm with Mecha on this one. This is one success in a sea of failures. In fact, I'm not even sure if it's a success. I'd say it's a bunch of Middle Eastern countries saying "Hey, look! We're democratic! Please don't bomb us" for the time being.

I disagree. I think perhaps people have been inspired and enjoy taking such choices.

Also, Stern, Ghost, please -- keep it to the funnies; those were great! Oh, you know I have to contribute!

 

[jondy]

Says they that Bush got nothing right, or not much right. But the same was said of Reagan, and now the Iron Curtain is gone. Of course that was because communism evolved sufficiently to realise spontaneous freedom for all, and Reagan had nothing to do with it. Choose to believe that if you will, if it gets you through the day,

Reagan ending the Cold War? More like Gorbachev threw in the towel when his country started socially imploding

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Reagan ending the Cold War? More like Gorbachev threw in the towel when his country started socially imploding

It was a combination of both -- Reagan was teasing the dick, as its known to some people here.

Which means, he was ploying "Oh, save me from the Russians" facading against his real intention, which was the American people. Thereby, removing Gorbachevs active belief America would be thinking about how to drown out Russia for as long as it stood.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Hit the nail on the head with that one.

Kmack face it you would rather see bush fail at everything then see him succeed just so you could be right. its pretty sick

 

[redhollowpoint]

figures dont lie, look at these poll results *they arent scientific, but i doubt people tampered with them, seeing as how MSNBC is a liberal media outlet

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7101857/site/newsweek#survey

 

[Korgoth]

Oh yes, msnbc is so libera, everyone knows how much of a bleeding heart joe scarborough is..... whatever.

And I have a term, "conveniant convservative"
Meaning you could give to shits and f*ck about conservative values you just use it as an excuse for your horrid actions.

 

[gh0st]

Weren't you talking about courtesy or something to me?

Courtesy? To you? Why would I be courteous to a sarcastic little puke like you?

Oh wait, you're a hypocrite.

The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Of course, because there's no such thing as a liberal/democrat that supported the war, just as there's no such thing as a conservative/republican that was against it!

I see youve mastered sarcasm. Unfortunatly youre so full of shit it makes me want to toss my cookies. Did you read a damn word of what I said? No, because you'd notice this goodie if you didnt have the reading comprehension of a turd: (well, somewhat consistently) . So instead of taking the logical stance on what I said, like everybody else here, you draw it out to its maximum possible extreme and mutate it in a vain attempt to use it against me.

Any way, good job on taking a completely unnecessary jab at democrats where it wasn't needed.

Actually it was needed. Thanks.

Oh yes, msnbc is so libera, everyone knows how much of a bleeding heart joe scarborough is..... whatever.

Oh my! A liberal station has a conservative presence! AMAZING! If CBS had Joe Scarborough would they suddenly not be a liberal station anymore?

And I have a term, "conveniant convservative"
Meaning you could give to shits and f*ck about conservative values you just use it as an excuse for your horrid actions.

Yeah, you dont give "two" (to would be incorrect there) shits and a **** about liberal values - oh wait, there are none. Horrid actions? Like killing babies - oops, thats a liberal thing. How about conservatives leading the charge to free nations? Spreading democracy? Yeah we're the bad guys buddy keep telling yourself what you want to hear.

 

[redhollowpoint]

whats funny is all the liberals have warnings and the republicans have none.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh noes!! ^

 

[DreamThrall]

whats funny is all the liberals have warnings and the republicans have none.

That's because most of the liberals here have the tact of a water buffalo once they realize they've been had.

On topic...

As a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT (with no warnings, I might add), I enjoyed reading the article. I read it in Newsweek when my issue came (along with a few other articles on similar subjects), and I'm glad to see that so much promise is coming out of the Middle East. While Bush obviously wasn't my choice, I have to admit that it looks like he's beginning to turn over a new leaf (on some fronts at least)... I mean look, he's even working with Chirac... That's GOTTA be good for something. Kudos.... We'll just have to watch and see where he goes with this. (READ: He'd better not f--- it up)

 

[redhollowpoint]

That's because most of the liberals here have the tact of a water buffalo once they realize they've been had.

On topic...

As a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT (with no warnings, I might add), I enjoyed reading the article. I read it in Newsweek when my issue came (along with a few other articles on similar subjects), and I'm glad to see that so much promise is coming out of the Middle East. While Bush obviously wasn't my choice, I have to admit that it looks like he's beginning to turn over a new leaf (on some fronts at least)... I mean look, he's even working with Chirac... That's GOTTA be good for something. Kudos.... We'll just have to watch and see where he goes with this. (READ: He'd better not f--- it up)

wow heres a respectable democrat, you other libs should follow his lead

 

[Absinthe]

whats funny is all the liberals have warnings and the republicans have none.

In the grand timespan of the Politics forum, I can assure you that conservatives have had their equal share, and I believe even one or two were banned.

So... quiet you.

That's because most of the liberals here have the tact of a water buffalo once they realize they've been had.

And the conservatives here are any different.

wow heres a respectable democrat, you other libs should follow his lead

And you're a prime example of what conservatives shouldn't be: a condescending troll.

 

[Absinthe]

Courtesy? To you? Why would I be courteous to a sarcastic little puke like you?

My post wasn't in reference to myself, but you've just gone ahead and proven my point.

Nice one! :thumbs:

I see youve mastered sarcasm. Unfortunatly youre so full of shit it makes me want to toss my cookies. Did you read a damn word of what I said? No, because you'd notice this goodie if you didnt have the reading comprehension of a turd: (well, somewhat consistently) . So instead of taking the logical stance on what I said, like everybody else here, you draw it out to its maximum possible extreme and mutate it in a vain attempt to use it against me.

Sucks to be a democrat doesnt it?

Well, how else could I interpret this? No, gh0st, you are not one to be telling people they're full of shit when you have the freakin' audacity to generalize political parties into pro and anti-war. The terms are not synonymous, and any attempt to say that they are is merely ignorance on your part, just like your little rant about how liberals are more violent.

Actually it was needed. Thanks.

And how exactly so? You've not made a compelling argument to justify it.

 

[Korgoth]

To Ghost

Keep spreading commu... I mean democracy with bombs and someday someone is going to repay the favor. And my values, you question my values? My values are human life, your values are mcdonalds, wal mart, israel and saudi arabia, hardly worth killing or dying for.

 

[kmack]

Bush was right about wmd's in Iraq.

oh, no, that was wrong.

 

[CptStern]

ummm bush was right ..look:


Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003



We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003



I distinctly remember saddam using chemical weapons on american soldiers (slaughtered thousands)...bush said he has "intelligence" that saddam was ready to use it ...I guess it must have slipped saddam's mind



but lets not single out bush cuz some of his cronies knew exactly where the WMD were:


We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003



I guess he must have forgot to inform the public when they arrived in Tikrit and Baghdad that they were tripping over massive amounts of wmd ..they were literally everywhere ..they must have been all stored at the ministry of oil ..cuz that's the first thing they secured once they entered baghdad

 

[No Limit]

figures dont lie, look at these poll results *they arent scientific, but i doubt people tampered with them, seeing as how MSNBC is a liberal media outlet

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7101857/site/newsweek#survey

Ever heard of a term "freeping a poll"? This is when people at freerepublic.com post a link to a poll and want their fellow conservatives to vote for a certain choice. There are plenty examples on that site, take a look.

 

[GhostFox]

your values are mcdonalds, wal mart

Two of the greatest business institutions on the planet. What could you possibly have against them?