what constitutes "tasteful?"

[Jackal hit]

mods, please close this if you don't want to read or hear about it, as i might end up ranting here.

anyways, as i was perusing that "hotties" thread, something stuck out to me. the notion that nudity is automatically porn. now, yes, i do know that there many people here who are of a young age, but on the other hand, the belief that "nudity or visible genitalia" is automatically porn... well is a very silly, uneducated, and frankly biased world-view. 1st off, porn as someone put, it is intended to be sexually arousing. art on the other hand is an expression of an (often times) emotive nature. it is also a statement on society, a mirror of society and the artist and also can be of a purely aesthetic purpose. as an artist, i see MANY MANY pieces where the subject will be nude or partially nude. this is in no way porn. should people avert their eyes when looking in the mirror or taking a shower? should we see our mothers breasts that gave us nourishment when we were infants as a dirty ungodly thing? of course we shouldn't. such a thing is a silly hold over from the days when the human body was a "sin"ful thing(yes i put those quotes in the desired position). i say all this because thinking that ALL nudity is automatically pornography is well... insulting to me as an artist.

i'm not sitting on a high horse thinking anyone should please me by saying "oh i'm sorry to have offended you oh mighty one" ... far from it. but any artist or hell, with this postmodernist art society, any active viewer of art (w/ postmodernist art, the viewer becomes a part of the art piece by interacting with the environment in which the art is displayed) would and SHOULD be a little miffed at the idea that a nipple constitutes pornography.

i do think there should be tact involved, of course with the issue of porn in a public landscape such as this. but this is for my own reasons, as i think porn displays a wrong idea of what females are like and what they want, and this can leave a lasting impression on a younger mind... it's not because i'm offended by the human body. i AM glad that the forums are moderated so closely for things like porn, but i guess what i'm trying to say, in a very garrulous manner is please don't jump to such immediate conclusions that a nipple or something like that is an evil thing. yes, i've read the forum rules, and i agree with them, but ya know, if say, in the art forum for example, someone wants to display their art, and it happens to be a life-drawing of a nude woman, or some photography and has some nudity... well it's not necessarily porn.

any opinions to add to this discussion would be appreciated. thanks for taking your time to read this.

 

[PvtRyan]

I agree with you. Not every nudity means there's porn involved.
I don't think that (half)naked pinups are porn. And even if it's not art, there's a big difference between erotic and porn. But I can understand why they don't want it to be posted.

 

[bastard_loud]

"a nipple constitutes pornography"

Yea i read that in the other thread as well. Some mods on these boards really suck (Fenric, Badger and some others).
I really can't understand why these losers are allowed to moderate these forums.

What can ya do though eh?

 

[Axyon]

First off, I did not say "nudity or visible genitalia", I said "nipples and/or visible genetalia". There's a difference. There's also a great difference between porn nudity and art nudity. The pictures that forced that thread to be closed were intentionally made to arouse, while an art study is exactly that; a study. You don't see models for being drawn posing over a chair, legs spread open or flailing their DD cup knockers around. That's a distinct difference.

 

[Jackal hit]

yeah, i don't even think ... half naked pinups(like ones that show genitalia/nipples) are necessarily appropriate for this forum, but yeah, i just want to remind people that there is a vast difference between porn and other types of nudity.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Nudity isnt accepted by society, therefore hl2.net would get blamed or potentially users browsing the forum. Your just going to have to accept it, its the law

 

[Jackal hit]

First off, I did not say "nudity or visible genitalia", I said "nipples and/or visible genetalia". There's a difference. There's also a great difference between porn nudity and art nudity. The pictures that forced that thread to be closed were intentionally made to arouse, while an art study is exactly that; a study. You don't see models for being drawn posing over a chair, legs spread open or flailing their DD cup knockers around. That's a distinct difference.

oops, i MEANT to write "nipples and/or..." but nudity came out, my bad. but yeah, that only makes my point more valid, i think... because nipples artfully displayed are ... well not a bad thing. and yes, i DO agree that that thread needed to be closed. but like i said in post #5, just wanted to remind people(not necessarily you, but just, people in general) that there is that distinction

 

[Maxi]

Also I want to add that I like these forums because of rules like that. It keeps them nice and tidy, not like many other forums where people flame eachother left and right, posting nude pictures everywhere.

 

[bastard_loud]

nipples = pr0n!

So if i were to post a picture of me by the swimming pool, without a shirt, that would be considered porn?

lollage.

 

[Fat Tony!]

if u want nude pictures go look up porn

 

[Jackal hit]

if u want nude pictures go look up porn

is this post directed at me?

 

[Axyon]

oops, i MEANT to write "nipples and/or..." but nudity came out, my bad. but yeah, that only makes my point more valid, i think... because nipples artfully displayed are ... well not a bad thing. and yes, i DO agree that that thread needed to be closed. but like i said in post #3, just wanted to remind people(not necessarily you, but just, people in general) that there is that distinction

I know there's that distinction, I agree perfectly with you. Art threads with studies of the female body have been allowed, because they're not done in an erotic way. That thread was intentionally meant for eroticism.

Okay, bastard_loud, fine nipples and genetalia may not make something automatically porn, they're just restricted because of the boundaries of taste we have here. We don't want small children coming here and seeing something they've never seen before- nipples, a vagina or hell, even a great big dong

 

[bastard_loud]

If that was directed at me, Fat Tony, then you're an idiot.
If i wanted porn or nude pictures i'd know where to look.

But calling a pair of displayed nipples pr0n is just ridiculous.
There's topless women on daytime television ffs.

 

[Jackal hit]

I know there's that distinction, I agree perfectly with you. Art threads with studies of the female body have been allowed, because they're not done in an erotic way. That thread was intentionally meant for eroticism.

Also, bastard_loud, nipples and genetalia don't make something automatically porn, they're just restricted because of the boundaries of taste we have here. We don't want small children coming here and seeing something they've never seen before- nipples, a vagina or hell, even a great big dong

ummm... bastard_loud? ... hehe is that the missing post #3? btw, in case anyone is wondering, i'm not grudging the rules of the hl2.net forums. i said in my first post that i agree with them completely.

edit: wtf... what's going on hmm

 

[bastard_loud]

Missing post? That happens a bit too often with my account.
Bastards, i know what's going on here.

 

[Axyon]

Finally realised eh, bastard_loud? I think it suits you... makes your name pretty ironic as well.

 

[bastard_loud]

You think what suits me?
Speak up if you have something to say son.

 

[Axyon]

Oh okay, maybe you don't know. Nevermind.

 

[Jackal hit]

is he posting stuff that's getting deleted? or am i so insanely tired from lack of sleep this week that i'm imagining stuff....?

 

[bastard_loud]

That my posts are being blocked.
Now that's being mature. Just ban me if you don't like me here, cowards.

 

[Jackal hit]

anyways, whatever i dunno what's going on here...but, c'mon people, i want some opinions here, this thread is intended to, more than anything incite[civil] discussion.

 

[Axyon]

That my posts are being blocked.
Now that's being mature. Just ban me if you don't like me here, cowards.

Would love to, but there's not enough fuel to do it currently. Shame.

 

[Maxi]

Yeah, Abom, if you delete his posts then atleast delete yours too, they are just spamming the thread.

 

[Fat Tony!]

is this post directed at me?

nope just a general comment

Edit- i dont see what there is to discuss here, its against the rules i think thats a good enough reason.

 

[bastard_loud]

But there is enough fuel to block my messages out?
I wonder how many people have had that done to them.

Censorship... lol.

 

[bastard_loud]

It's all good though, now that i know the mods can still read this.

 

[bastard_loud]

The real funny thing however is, that you all admit that i've done NOTHING wrong.
You just don't like me, and therefore block my messages.

Oh well, i guess shit like this happens when the geeks get their hands on a little power. On a messageboard.

lol.

 

[Axyon]

The real funny thing however is, that you all admit that i've done NOTHING wrong.
You just don't like me, and therefore block my messages.

Oh well, i guess shit like this happens when the geeks get their hands on a little power. On a messageboard.

The fact that you're a pure troll is enough to shut you up. I never said that you did NOTHING, that would be like saying Hitler never did anything bad...

Yeah, Abom, if you delete his posts then atleast delete yours too, they are just spamming the thread.

Indeed. But I'm setting a bad example here, let's get back on topic guys.

 

[bastard_loud]

Yea, let's do Abom.

 

[Jackal hit]

now i'm curious as to what bastard_loud has been saying. yo man, just rephrase everything in a ... nice? civil? i dunno ... whatever type of way so that we can see what you're saying. if you have an opinion on this subject, we'd/i'd like to hear it.

edit: well okay i'm off to bed (7am?!? bahh!!!), i hope to find something here that i can respond to when i get back

 

[bastard_loud]

Let's get back on topic, yea.

 

[bastard_loud]

The moderators' way of dealing with people, tasteful or not?

Um, no.

 

[Axyon]

My guess was the silencing was a resort to not ban you, but repeated spamming - you've earned yourself a 2 week tempban.

Now let's get back on topic. Jeeze.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Bad day aBom??

 

[Axyon]

Bad day adom??

Bad now thanks to certain people on this forum :hmph:

 

[Bad^Hat]

Bad now thanks to certain people on this forum :hmph:

I already explained this to ya, babe! I love you, but I'm not in love with you ;(

OT - I think it was Bill Hicks that said - "The supreme court defines pornography as any article meant to arouse without serving any real purpose. So... that'd be just about every ad on TV."

 

[Axyon]

I already explained this to ya, babe! I love you, but I'm not in love with you ;(

But... but... the children! :/

It's just a case of the rules. Everyone has a definition of what 'pornography' is, the fact that the rules state:

Sexually Oriented Material

Please remember that this forum is a public forum. There are 12 year olds here just as there are 50 year olds. Nudity and porn is prohibited for obvious reasons.

I would personally class nudity as shown genetalia and nipples, that may be different in other people's minds, but in the end the moderator's decision is what goes... and I think we're all universally decided on what's allowed here and what isn't.