What Does 2,000 Look Like?

[No Limit]

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html

 

[CptStern]

that's a heck of a lot of photos

I wonder where he got all those casket pics from ..they're very hard to find

 

[No Limit]

that's a heck of a lot of photos

I wonder where he got all those casket pics from ..they're very hard to find

Yeah, when releasing those photos means taking a political hit the neocons must do everything to block them. After all, trying to forget the soldiers died for your war is a great way to honor their sacrifice .

 

[redhollowpoint]

hey no limit did you ever wonder what 1,000,000 + looks like, yeah its how many saddam killed :bounce: guess you dont want to tell about that though

 

[redhollowpoint]

Yeah, when releasing those photos means taking a political hit the neocons must do everything to block them. After all, trying to forget the soldiers died for your war is a great way to honor their sacrifice .

its sad that you would use coffins to motivate a political agenda, shows how much respect you have for the fallen heros.

 

[CptStern]

Yeah, when releasing those photos means taking a political hit the neocons must do everything to block them. After all, trying to forget the soldiers died for your war is a great way to honor their sacrifice .

yup:


The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the Bush administration has ordered the Pentagon to prevent any news coverage of the bodies of US troops being sent home from Iraq. The blackout on casualties is part of the attempt by the White House to recast the nightmare in Iraq as a “good news” story.

source

 

[redhollowpoint]

yup:


The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the Bush administration has ordered the Pentagon to prevent any news coverage of the bodies of US troops being sent home from Iraq. The blackout on casualties is part of the attempt by the White House to recast the nightmare in Iraq as a “good news” story.

source

why do you need to see a mutilated american body to get your political point across i see no sense in it

 

[CptStern]

hey no limit did you ever wonder what 1,000,000 + looks like, yeah its how many saddam killed :bounce: guess you dont want to tell about that though

800,000 of those were iranian soldiers ...far more civilians have died as a direct/indirect result of US intervention

its sad that you would use coffins to motivate a political agenda, shows how much respect you have for the fallen heros.

shows how little respect you have for the dead when you wont even acknowledge them ...why are pics of flag draped coffins banned? please explain, do go into a side tangent ..explain in your own words what purpose banning photos of war dead serves

 

[CptStern]

why do you need to see a mutilated american body to get your political point across i see no sense in it

please take the time to actually READ the passage before commenting ..WAR DEAD IN COFFINS:

"news coverage of the bodies of US troops being sent home from Iraq"

 

[redhollowpoint]

800,000 of those were iranian soldiers ...far more civilians have died as a direct/indirect result of US intervention




shows how little respect you have for the dead when you wont even acknowledge them ...why are pics of flag draped coffins banned? please explain, do go into a side tangent ..explain in your own words what purpose banning photos of war dead serves

so stern just cause they are iranian soldiers, the use of chemical gasses are ok? 800,000 dead iranian soldiers is ok with you???

i wont acknowlegde them?, i dont need to see pictures of thier coffins, or bodies it acknowledge that they are dead, i dont see the point of seeing thier coffin it doesnt suddenly mean something important. i respect every soldier/marine/salior/ or airmen that gives thier life in the line of duty, to further my point i have recently enlisted in the marine corps, and if i die, i dont want to have you loooking at my coffin, so you can fuel your rediculous left wing jihad against america.

 

[redhollowpoint]

please take the time to actually READ the passage before commenting ..WAR DEAD IN COFFINS:

"news coverage of the bodies of US troops being sent home from Iraq"

ok soryr over stepped myself say mutilated dead bodies, but coffins dont make much sense of showing, show some respect to the familys and men/women that gave thier lives, you know by showing these coffins your trying to get a reaction against the occupation. thats your only motive for showing them

 

[No Limit]

ok soryr over stepped myself say mutilated dead bodies, but coffins dont make much sense of showing, show some respect to the familys and men/women that gave thier lives, you know by showing these coffins your trying to get a reaction against the occupation. thats your only motive for showing them

Really? And what is the motive for not showing them? Families have nothing to do with it, the coffins don't have a name over them. So please, elighten me. Because to me it seems like Bush wants to forget about these people dying.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Really? And what is the motive for not showing them? Families have nothing to do with it, the coffins don't have a name over them. So please, elighten me. Because to me it seems like Bush wants to forget about these people dying.

forget about them? why dont you just take pictures of the cemetrys that they are burried in, you dont need to make a PR OP out of coffins in an airplane, thats blatent disrespect. No other war has photographers taking pictures of coffins, and i dont see why this one should be the same.

 

[The Monkey]

so stern just cause they are iranian soldiers, the use of chemical gasses are ok? 800,000 dead iranian soldiers is ok with you???

You didn't mind it in the 80s, in fact, you supported it. Why this sudden interest of the lives of Iranians?

 

[Dekstar]

forget about them? why dont you just take pictures of the cemetrys that they are burried in, you dont need to make a PR OP out of coffins in an airplane, thats blatent disrespect. No other war has photographers taking pictures of coffins, and i dont see why this one should be the same.

IIRC the Vietnam war had footage and photos of the coffins shown on the news and in papers.

And that was a big success wasn't it?

 

[redhollowpoint]

You didn't mind it in the 80s, in fact, you supported it. Why this sudden interest of the lives of Iranians?

well considering i dotn agree with bush, i think he should have invaded on the sole purpose of freeing the iraqi's, infact i think gulf war one should have done that..... any way i dont agree with what america had done, but i accept this mistake and move on, it doesnt mean you can pardon saddam, he in the end was the final person to say yes use the gas, or no dont use the gas, it was his responsiblity. Further more, the political structure of the 80s was quite different than today (Cold war) anyway that is a much larger and differnet discussion.

 

[redhollowpoint]

IIRC the Vietnam war had footage and photos of the coffins shown on the news and in papers.

And that was a big success wasn't it?

show me the coffins, and yes there were pictures of war, but i dont agree with that, infact i condone it, i wouldnt want my mutilated/ coffinated body in the news. I would much rather have my story of how i died, or what i acheived for my country put in the paper, see all were debating here is really a political point of some dead guys, either way is a reaction you want out of the public to support your opinion of pulling out of hte occupation.

 

[Solaris]

People like you don't seem to care for Iraqi Civillians, so maybe seeing the dead of your own, will get the point across?

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Hey they're not supposed to show faces of the dead or the coffins!! That's supposed to be cut out so people don't make an emotional connection to reports of dead soldiers.

"In todays stories 3 U.S soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb"
*cuts to footage of a humvee*
"And now to the weather!"

News told in such a way that nobody cares. How about a 3 minute reflection on the dead soldiers lives and the family/friends they leave behind? No? The government and media is doing a pretty good job at keeping the populace emotionally disconnected from the casualties of war.

No other war has photographers taking pictures of coffins, and i dont see why this one should be the same.

I always see coffins on TV when a celebrity dies, or some child dies from a freak accident etc. I don't find that disrespectful. I think it's entirely dependant on why the coffin is shown.

If the media ran a story on a U.S soldier who died, shows his face, interviews his weeping mother, then ends with his coffin being carried by marines i would say that is the ultimate form of respect.

 

[redhollowpoint]

People like you don't seem to care for Iraqi Civillians, so maybe seeing the dead of your own, will get the point across?

try to stay on topic, any way iraqi civilians, god, if you only knew what the military does to minimize civilian casualties, maybe you should talk to some first hand experience rather than taking the media as your bible for information.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Hey they're not supposed to show faces of the dead or the coffins!! That's supposed to be cut out so people don't make an emotional connection to reports of dead soldiers.

"In todays stories 3 U.S soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb"
*cuts to footage of a humvee*
"And now to the weather!"

News told in such a way that nobody cares. How about a 3 minute reflection on the dead soldiers lives and the family/friends they leave behind? No? The government and media is doing a pretty good job at keeping the populace emotionally disconnected from the casualties of war.


I always see coffins on TV when a celebrity dies, or some child dies from a freak accident etc. I don't find that disrespectful. I think it's entirely dependant on why the coffin is shown.

If the media ran a story on a U.S soldier who died, shows his face, interviews his weeping mother, then ends with his coffin being carried by marines i would say that is the ultimate form of respect.

emotional connection?, if we showed dead soldiers everyday, people would get desensitized just like they got desensitized to seeing reports of dead soldiers. I dont see why coffins are so important to you guys, why not just have the cameras rolling at his memorial?

 

[Solaris]

try to stay on topic, any way iraqi civilians, god, if you only knew what the military does to minimize civilian casualties, maybe you should talk to some first hand experience rather than taking the media as your bible for information.

Oh yes, like levelling a civillian contry.

Does fallujah ring a bell?
The US massacared civillians there.

 

[Absinthe]

so stern just cause they are iranian soldiers, the use of chemical gasses are ok? 800,000 dead iranian soldiers is ok with you???

Holy leaping **** lizards, read up on your history.

And if you have such issues with seeing coffins, that says more about you than it does about anybody displaying them. You need to wake up and realize what your tax dollars are being invested in and what the results are. Disconnecting yourself from reality isn't doing anybody any favors. I think every American should see such photos.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Oh yes, like levelling a civillian contry.

Does fallujah ring a bell?
The US massacared civillians there.

MASSACARED??? they spent a week or more evacuating civilians telling them to get out, then they went in, any one who stayed would be killed. if they didnt get out its thier fault. leveling a civilian country, last time i checked iraq was being ruled by a dictoral government under the leadership of saddam, hardly a civilian country.... wtf is a civilian country.

 

[CptStern]

so stern just cause they are iranian soldiers, the use of chemical gasses are ok? 800,000 dead iranian soldiers is ok with you???

both sides used chemical weapons ...provided by the west ...you all didnt seem to care about WMD back then

i wont acknowlegde them?,

yes you, the right, the supporters of the war

i dont need to see pictures of thier coffins, or bodies it acknowledge that they are dead, i dont see the point of seeing thier coffin it doesnt suddenly mean something important. i respect every soldier/marine/salior/ or airmen that gives thier life in the line of duty, to further my point i have recently enlisted in the marine corps, and if i die, i dont want to have you loooking at my coffin, so you can fuel your rediculous left wing jihad against america.

rambling idiocy aside ..I'm sure the families of the soldiers would want their country to respect their dead ....seriously what possible motive could their be behind banning photos of flag covered coffins ...please answer this time as you avoided it before

ok soryr over stepped myself say mutilated dead bodies, but coffins dont make much sense of showing, show some respect to the familys and men/women that gave thier lives, you know by showing these coffins your trying to get a reaction against the occupation. thats your only motive for showing them

do you have telepathy? you must because you seem to know my motivations

if you only knew what the military does to minimize civilian casualties, maybe you should talk to some first hand experience rather than taking the media as your bible for information.

really then why did 7000 civilians die during the invasion ...let me guess: they so happened to be standing next to iraqi soldiers when they were killed .....all 7000 of them

 

[redhollowpoint]

Holy leaping **** lizards, read up on your history, little man.

correct me then if your all knowing. i dont have an almanac in my head.

 

[Solaris]

Oops, I meant city.

Evacuate fallujah? To where exactly?
These people don't have holiday homes to go to.

 

[redhollowpoint]

both sides used chemical weapons ...provided by the west ...you all didnt seem to care about WMD back then



yes you, the right, the supporters of the war




rambling idiocy aside ..I'm sure the families of the soldiers would want their country to respect their dead ....seriously what possible motive could their be behind banning photos of flag covered coffins ...please answer this time as you avoided it before




do you have telepathy? you must because you seem to know my motivations

i could care less about WMD's i know they prove no threat to america, atleast from iraq, i firmly support the war based on freeing a society.

showing coffins, to me, is a sign of disrespect, i feel as though you and the people who are taking the photos are soley using them to get a reaction out of the public to take away support for the occupation, and our troops, i have stated this many times in the thread, dont try and say im avoiding your question, try and read next time.

 

[Absinthe]

correct me then if your all knowing. i dont have an almanac in my head.

Then read up on these things before you talk about them.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Oops, I meant city.

Evacuate fallujah? To where exactly?
These people don't have holiday homes to go to.

leave the city, until the battle is over, its not the U.S's concern where they go. are you going to bitch to me now about having them homes for one week, its a friggin war they are in the military cant construct holiday inns for everybody before an invasion fallujah, the most they can do is have them get out for like a week before they can return to thier homes.

 

[redhollowpoint]

Then read up on these things before you talk about them.

im still waiting to be corrected.:naughty:

 

[Absinthe]

showing coffins, to me, is a sign of disrespect, i feel as though you and the people who are taking the photos are soley using them to get a reaction out of the public to take away support for the occupation, and our troops, i have stated this many times in the thread, dont try and say im avoiding your question, try and read next time.

Well, duh. They obviously don't support the war and think it's a waste. The photos exemplify that.

im still waiting to be corrected.:naughty:

Corrected on what?

 

[redhollowpoint]

Well, duh. They obviously don't support the war and think it's a waste. The photos exemplify that.



Corrected on what?

why not take pictures of the good done in iraq??? and i know all your going to say is what good, but there is progress being made, if you look at the interviews, and talk to the soldiers they all report progress, and they all hate how the media portrays them, and thier actions. so no the photos only exemplify a bias.

 

[CptStern]

i could care less about WMD's i know they prove no threat to america, atleast from iraq, i firmly support the war based on freeing a society.

by killing up to 100,000 civilians? by helping to instate a government that pushes back women's rights to an all time low? by helping rewrite iraqi laws that will benefit american companies ...please save your propaganda for the less informed

showing coffins, to me, is a sign of disrespect,

who are you to judge? shouldnt that be the decision of the victems families?

i feel as though you and the people who are taking the photos are soley using them to get a reaction out of the public to take away support for the occupation, and our troops, i have stated this many times in the thread, dont try and say im avoiding your question, try and read next time.

again you dont know the motivations behind it but I can speculate that these people (journalists for the most part as they are the only ones who'd have access) have legitimate reasons for doing this: the Truth



3rd time asking: what possible motivation behind banning photos of the dead could there possibly be ..I want a straight answer not your personal opinion but one based on facts ...I must remind you that in no other war (besides the gulf war, and that was only limited to one base) were photos of the dead banned

 

[Absinthe]

why not take pictures of the good done in iraq??? and i know all your going to say is what good, but there is progress being made, if you look at the interviews, and talk to the soldiers they all report progress, and they all hate how the media portrays them, and thier actions. so no the photos only exemplify a bias.

While all the military higher-ups with an actual overview of the situation report little to no progress. There is very little to celebrate about Iraq.

The photos do not inherently have a bias in them. What you are seeing is a wooden box with a dead soldier in it. Any political message that comes with it is externally added. The message of that flash video: we have lost 2,000 soldiers based on lies and incompetence.

 

[CptStern]

why not take pictures of the good done in iraq???

what good news? please show me some good news because I'm dying for good news out of iraq ...the violence has escalated, civilians are dying at an alarming rate, 100% of iraqis are on food rations, 2/3rds of the country is without electricity for almost 2 years now, and to this day NOT ONE justification behind the war turned out to be true ...again I ask you WHAT GOOD NEWS?

and i know all your going to say is what good, but there is progress being made, if you look at the interviews, and talk to the soldiers they all report progress, and they all hate how the media portrays them, and thier actions. so no the photos only exemplify a bias.

then it should be easy to find some examples ...but to be perfectly honest daily reports of 60+ civilians being blown to kingdom come trump any small measure of sucess

 

[Solaris]

leave the city, until the battle is over, its not the U.S's concern where they go. are you going to bitch to me now about having them homes for one week, its a friggin war they are in the military cant construct holiday inns for everybody before an invasion fallujah, the most they can do is have them get out for like a week before they can return to thier homes.

Oh and I suppose they can return to this?
http://chuck.mahost.org/weblog/images/fallujah.jpg

 

[Lemonking]

You didn't mind it in the 80s, in fact, you supported it. Why this sudden interest of the lives of Iranians?

duh sure all americans supported it :angel:

 

[No Limit]

duh sure all americans supported it :angel:

The idiots that attacked Iraq in 2003 supported it back then. So you are right :dozey:.

 

[Lemonking]

"all americans"


duh^^ I didnt support it