What Does 2,000 Look Like?

[No Limit]

I'm comparing death tolls.

And are you so ready to bet all your chips that Bush's intentions weren't good? Let's see, 7 billion people live on this planet, and a handful are assigned with the duty to investigate what's really going on.

Fine, if you want to believe that he was wrong, go ahead, I might even agree with you. You can't blame someone who tries to do the right thing, though, and until proven otherwise, I believe he did.

No, you are comparing a war that killed 50 million and couldn't have been aviouded to a war that could have been avoided and has proven to be unjust. You are a disgrace to any WWII vet, you make me sick. Using 50 million deaths as a political tool for yourself. Piss off.

 

[JNightshade]

You're really so arrogant as to consider America "assigned with the duty"? THE UN was assigned with the duty, and they found no WMDs (which still have yet to materialize). America is just another country, with no special duty other than protecting its own people.

Furthermore, it's 6 billion people.

 

[Pesmerga]

No, you are comparing a war that killed 50 million and couldn't have been aviouded to a war that could have been avoided and has proven to be unjust. You are a disgrace to any WWII vet, you make me sick. Using 50 million deaths as a political tool for yourself. Piss off.

Hahaha, oh my god, no really. I'm having another moment.

You've made HUNDREDS of posts with death tolls as your backup. Now you're telling me that it's not OK to do it.

I see how your arguments work.

THE UN was assigned with the duty, and they found no WMDs (which still have yet to materialize). America is just another country,

Yeah, I'm still trying to find where I said those handful of people were working for the American military. I love assuming, it's fun! Oh, and it's funny to see people using that same exact argument "America is the richest / most powerful country in the world har har its their job lawl", and now someone reversed it because they thought it would sound good.

 

[JNightshade]

No, I reversed it because that's actually my opinion. Don't think you understand my reasoning. And as to the "handful of people" thing... I'm sorry. Apparently I did make an assumption. That's pretty unusual for me.

 

[spookymooky]

No, you are comparing a war that killed 50 million and couldn't have been aviouded to a war that could have been avoided and has proven to be unjust. You are a disgrace to any WWII vet, you make me sick. Using 50 million deaths as a political tool for yourself. Piss off.

I was going to look through this thread for a post where you said something about the 2000 deaths to justify something you said. Then I realized you started it.

You could maybe get away with this in a live debate, in which we might not be able to pin a quote down on you, but on a forum, all your comments are available for easy quotation.

Do you think that using a casualty count to justify a political point is wrong?

 

[Llama]

Hahaha, oh my god, no really. I'm having another moment.

You've made HUNDREDS of posts with death tolls as your backup. Now you're telling me that it's not OK to do it.

I see how your arguments work.

Yeah, I'm still trying to find where I said those handful of people were working for the American military. I love assuming, it's fun! Oh, and it's funny to see people using that same exact argument "America is the richest / most powerful country in the world har har its their job lawl", and now someone reversed it because they thought it would sound good.

You really are a prat. World War F---ing 2 and the Iraq war are a little different, no?

1.) If the USA hadn't interveened then Hitler might well have ended up controlling Europe (Not certain, but highly possible)
2.) 40 Million people died for perhaps the most critically important war EVER. It was, literally, the world at stake. Comparing a literal fight against evil to Bush's pathetic schemes on gaining Oil is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.:|

 

[15357]

You really are a prat. World War F---ing 2 and the Iraq war are a little different, no?

1.) If the USA hadn't interveened then Hitler might well have ended up controlling Europe (Not certain, but highly possible)
2.) 40 Million people died for perhaps the most critically important war EVER. It was, literally, the world at stake. Comparing a literal fight against evil to Bush's pathetic schemes on gaining Oil is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.:|

Yeah.... Did he (Bush) ever say it was for the damned oil?

 

[Llama]

Yeah.... Did he (Bush) ever say it was for the damned oil?

Okay then, what was it for? The "War on Terrorism"?
Or on that absolute MOUNTAIN of evidence to show the WMD's been manufactured?



Keep it real, this war was for Oil, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[15357]

Okay then, what was it for? The "War on Terrorism"?
Or on that absolute MOUNTAIN of evidence to show the WMD's been manufactured?



Keep it real, this war was for Oil, nothing more, nothing less.

And can you read minds?

 

[Lemonking]

ist just cool to say that 1537 dissing the USA is just cool these days and alot of people dont have anything else 2 do except for complaining about stuff

 

[15357]

ist just cool to say that 1537 dissing the USA is just cool these days and alot of people dont have anything else 2 do except for complaining about stuff

say again please?

 

[Absinthe]

Oh yes, people only criticize the US because it's trendy and hip! In no way is its foreign policy a load of shit. :rolling:

 

[Lemonking]

sure thats a reason 2 but alota people say shit about the US even thoe they dont know jack


like here:http://forum.giga.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=165
or here:http://board.gulli.com/forum/13

 

[Absinthe]

Well, my German's rusty so I don't know what people are saying on those boards, but it's also true that plenty of people support the US when they don't know jack as well. For any position there are bound to be people that don't know what they're talking about.

So can we agree that it's a pointless statement?

 

[Lemonking]

okay Im sorry

 

[ComradeBadger]

I'd just like to say that showing photos of soldier's coffins is generally bad for a country's morale - that's why they don't do it - NO ONE DOES IT. It's not just the US or just this war..

.. granted the Bush administration isn't the best in the world by far and this war isn't going as well as it could, but hell, you know there are better things to argue about.

 

[15357]

I'd just like to say that showing photos of soldier's coffins is generally bad for a country's morale - that's why they don't do it - NO ONE DOES IT. It's not just the US or just this war..

.. granted the Bush administration isn't the best in the world by far and this war isn't going as well as it could, but hell, you know there are better things to argue about.

unless they're trying to say: "Look at this destruction and horrible things that the evil and vile enemy has done!"

 

[No Limit]

Hahaha, oh my god, no really. I'm having another moment.

You've made HUNDREDS of posts with death tolls as your backup. Now you're telling me that it's not OK to do it.

I was going to look through this thread for a post where you said something about the 2000 deaths to justify something you said. Then I realized you started it.

You could maybe get away with this in a live debate, in which we might not be able to pin a quote down on you, but on a forum, all your comments are available for easy quotation.

Do you think that using a casualty count to justify a political point is wrong?

You guys don't have a very good understanding of the english language, let me help you out. What I said was that comparing a war that was necessary to stop Hitler from taking over the world to a war that was completely pointless (unless you are Halliburton) is a disgrace to over 50 million people that died in that war. You guys are whoring one of the worst times in the history of man kind to somehow say that shit happens and its okay people are dying in the Iraq war. : puke : Again, you guys are a disgrace to any person that was alive or that died in that time period.

 

[15357]

You guys don't have a very good understanding of the english language, let me help you out. What I said was that comparing a war that was necessary to stop Hitler from taking over the world to a war that was completely pointless (unless you are Halliburton) is a disgrace to over 50 million people that died in that war. You guys are whoring one of the worst times in the history of man kind to somehow say that shit happens and its okay people are dying in the Iraq war. : puke : Again, you guys are a disgrace to any person that was alive or that died in that time period.

Random thought: The vietnam war was similar to the Iraq war. No point in it.

 

[Lemonking]

trying help a country against Boschewism Invaders,there was a point

 

[CptStern]

I'd just like to say that showing photos of soldier's coffins is generally bad for a country's morale - that's why they don't do it - NO ONE DOES IT. It's not just the US or just this war..

no, the US is alone in this ..when 4 canadians were killed in afghanistan a few years back their caskets received a hero's welcome when they arrived in canada

and yes it is bad for morale but that's the point: the US needs to continue to sell the war to it's population. Publishing photos of their war dead will only turn popular opinion against the war ...I see nothing wrong with that. The citizens of the US need to see the grim reality of what their government got them into.

.. granted the Bush administration isn't the best in the world by far and this war isn't going as well as it could, but hell, you know there are better things to argue about.

I dont understand today's complacency surrounding the war, possibly 100's of thousands of people will die because of the war, yet we should devote our time to discussing other political matters? this is the single most important event of YOUR generation, possibly even mine.

 

[15357]

trying help a country against Boschewism Invaders,there was a point

Which utterly failed and disrupted the unification of an ethnic group.

Also, the US made up something to attack Vietnam.

 

[Absinthe]

and yes it is bad for morale but that's the point: the US needs to continue to sell the war to it's population. Publishing photos of their war dead will only turn popular opinion against the war ...I see nothing wrong with that. The citizens of the US need to see the grim reality of what their government got them into.

Agreed in full. I don't care who does it as I disagree with such a practice on every level.

Only when the citizens of a nation can stare directly at the corpses of their troops can they decide if a conflict was worth it. Avoiding them because you might get emotional is a bypass of reality so you can live in a fantasy land where everything's okey-dokey.

 

[Llama]

And can you read minds?

Nope, but i was born with a brain.
Figure it out Einstein. If there are no real terror threats or WMD threats, why would you bother invading a country? I mean, apart from it containing one of the most useful resources this world uses there is absolutly NO reason to be there

 

[Sulkdodds]

If anyone says the US invaded Iraq just to help out and/or topple a horrid dictatorship I will have to beat them (metaphorically, natch) over the head for not invading China and Belarus.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

As a crazy aside. No Limit, you post threads slating America on a daily basis. Now, I have no special love for the Bush administration -

But why are you preaching on a messageboard where the average age is 14? Seriously, you can justify all of your posts with hundreds of sources, but you're not getting anything changed. Posting on a messageboard and quoting news agencies isn't going to stop the war in Iraq.

Stop arguing with 14-year-olds. You might be right on a number of points, but your wasting your breath here. Go and do something constructive, like join a protest rally, or chain yourself to the whitehouse, or shoot Bush, or something. Seriously, posting here is not the way to get your voice heard.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Solaris]

If he can change the mind of one voter then its worth it.

I quite enjoy debating here,

 

[Angry Lawyer]

If he can change the mind of one voter then its worth it.

I quite enjoy debating here,

One voter? Only about 2% of HL2.net are even eligible for voting. And even then, most of them already agree with you, and the only ones who don't just aren't worth bothering with, because they keep pumping out their blind drivel.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Solaris]

If he enjoys it its worth it.

And well all be eligble to vote one day.

 

[Absinthe]

I actually have to take the side of Lawyer here. As much as I dislike Bush and his administration, this really is overkill. A lot of it is parroting the same stuff over and over again. If somebody isn't convinced at this point, they won't be in any foreseeable future.

Surely one can take a break, eh? The Politics forum is choking on these kinds of threads, so it's not like anybody's going to miss anything. Save a new topic for when we really require it.

 

[Sulkdodds]

My problem with republicans is that they're all lying sacks of scum shit.

/me spits

 

[French Ninja]

My problem with republicans is that they're all lying sacks of scum shit.

/me spits

NoLimit = Sulkdodds?
omgduplicateaccountsolojkthxbye

 

[Pesmerga]

You really are a prat. World War F---ing 2 and the Iraq war are a little different, no?

1.) If the USA hadn't interveened then Hitler might well have ended up controlling Europe (Not certain, but highly possible)

Most likely the Russians would have toppled the German Wermacht. If they didn't, the British would have. The fact of the matter is, America joined the war to help put an end to a threat.

So one could argue a philosophical debate on the war in Iraq, that perhaps it may not have been logical to invade, it may have prevented a string of events that caused mass world famine. I know that's not the point, but hell, Germany may have ended up being a really great country with Hitler out of the way, so possibly stopping Germany may have doomed the species.

Either way, whether or not the war was a mistake, I do agree it could have been done with less brute force.

2.) 40 Million people died for perhaps the most critically important war EVER. It was, literally, the world at stake. Comparing a literal fight against evil to Bush's pathetic schemes on gaining Oil is the most stupid thing i've ever heard.:|

My point, however difficult it may be to grasp, is that you can't continually make any war that isn't a "literal fight against evil" look like an act of greed. It's all a power struggle, the US excerts and maintains power through force, and protects it like a mother would her child. The real argument here is not whether war is good or bad, or which ones to like and not like, or who starts them. It's about intentions, because intentions are honest and you can't blame anyone with intentions, "evil" or otherwise. Excert power over anyone who doesn't have good intentions, if you win, woohoo, go bake some ****ing cookies and then rule the world. It's a vicious cycle of masculinity, and in a world run by women, we'd all be a bit better off.

 

[No Limit]

I actually have to take the side of Lawyer here. As much as I dislike Bush and his administration, this really is overkill. A lot of it is parroting the same stuff over and over again. If somebody isn't convinced at this point, they won't be in any foreseeable future.

Surely one can take a break, eh? The Politics forum is choking on these kinds of threads, so it's not like anybody's going to miss anything. Save a new topic for when we really require it.

See, this is the problem. Most people here are not trying to learn anything here. They come in here with their ideology and they will stick to it even if they can't defend it. However, I like to believe some people here don't know much about politics and would like to learn. Remember, this isn't the only message board we all visit, most people reading this right now are members of mnay other boards around there internet where politics does come u. No matter how hard you try to aviod politics it will always be brought up by someone on any board you visit, from programming boards I frequent to gaming boards, to boards about cars (whatever); I would like people posting at those boards to be a little more educated.

Believe it or not I also actually enjoy good, clean, mature debate. Sure, there hasn't been much of that around here lately and I could have moved on a long time ago; however, I have respect for a few members here and will continue to try and engage in meaningful discussion with them whenever possible. Maybe if we didn't have posts about how useless these posts are that would happen more often .

 

[ComradeBadger]

To be honest No Limit, you came here with your idealogy, and everyone who disagrees with you is a righty in your eyes.

Suprisingly enough, the problem with US politics is that it is black & white, 1 choice or the other-blindly follow one party line or the other.

 

[Ikerous]

I appreciate your threads No Limit <3

 

[15357]

Nope, but i was born with a brain.
Figure it out Einstein. If there are no real terror threats or WMD threats, why would you bother invading a country? I mean, apart from it containing one of the most useful resources this world uses there is absolutly NO reason to be there

Peace. :E

I was just arguing to see how the politics forums are.

 

[gh0st]

umm no limit, i'm a senior in high school @ 17. you are sorely mistaken if you think im stupid enough to enlist in the army. im going into university and ill determine which branch im going into, so at least i'll be an officer. so youre going to have to hold your britches for pictures of my coffin.

 

[No Limit]

umm no limit, i'm a senior in high school @ 17. you are sorely mistaken if you think im stupid enough to enlist in the army. im going into university and ill determine which branch im going into, so at least i'll be an officer. so youre going to have to hold your britches for pictures of my coffin.

You can fill out the form I gave you at 17. Come on, do it!

 

[gh0st]

You can fill out the form I gave you at 17. Come on, do it!

um.. yes, i could fill it out if i was planning on ENLISTING in the military, which i'm not as i said. you could take a job as a garbage man too, if you wanted, but you wont because its not something im sure you want to do. there are far more opportunities for officers in the military.