What would you do for your country?

[Sprafa]

Im not to sure what country im in :dozey:

It depends on the situation, for example if for some random reason we went to war with America then i wouldnt fight, but if it was against terrorists or commie-nazies then i would

What if America is packed with a new race of Commie-NazieS!!

 

[CptStern]

"One of the sub-themes in "Fahrenheit 9/11" emphasizes how a disproportionate number of soldiers fighting the war in Iraq are from lower-income families in places like Flint, Michigan, Moore's hometown. Moore attempts to highlight this by presenting the notion that, of the many people in Congress voting to send young men and women to war, very few would commit their own children to the fight. Senator Tim Johnson's son Brooks was a sergeant in the 101st Airborne, which Moore acknowledges.

But others in Congress do have children in the military — Senator Joseph Biden's son is a member of the National Guard, and FOX News says a poll revealed six other members of the House of Representatives who have children in the military. While Moore has already received criticism for this seeming discrepancy, the fact remains: Just one child of a congressman or senator served in Iraq. "

source


btw:

Debunking the 59 Deceits: Deceits 1-2



oh and Kopel is incorrect ..Moore did mention Brookes Johnson

 

[kmack]

Would you force your child into the military against their will?

Joining the military is a volutary decision. No parent can force their adult child to do anything.

is this some assinine way of saying

"no i cannot find a single child of a congressperson who is serving in Iraq"

?

 

[Bodacious]

is this some assinine way of saying

"no i cannot find a single child of a congressperson who is serving in Iraq"

?

No it is not, it is a legitimate question.

Not a metaphore either, just a question.


The "send your child" crap is a left wing talking point. It is not anyone's place to make choices for their own adult children, udner any circumstance.

 

[Sprafa]

No it is not, it is a legitimate question.

Not a metaphore either, just a question.


The "send your child" crap is a left wing talking point. It is not anyone's place to make choices for their own adult children, udner any circumstance.

...

/me is forced to quote self

A child is simply a metaphor to giving your most loved thing, a life that you bred, to a cause that you truly believe in.

and you're right, it's a talking point alright. Because it questions the dedication of your leaders

 

[Bodacious]

and you're right, it's a talking point alright. Because it questions the dedication of your leaders

Ok, so what are they supposed to say?

"Yes I would send my son."

If they said that you would turn right around and say, "Well you are violating their individual rights"

If the leader said no you say their dedication is questioned.


I for one am not going to be tricked by scum sucking liberals. No matter the answer a politician might give they are going to be attacked.

 

[Sprafa]

Ok, so what are they supposed to say?

"Yes I would send my son."

If they said that you would turn right around and say, "Well you are violating their individual rights"

If the leader said no you say their dedication is questioned.


I for one am not going to be tricked by scum sucking liberals. No matter the answer a politician might give they are going to be attacked.

Look, I'm trying to argue with ya here. Please listen, it's all I ask.

The question is, do you think most politicians in Washington would be so dedicated to the cause of "liberating" Iraq they would devote themselves to it, possibly giving every penny they have to families who lose their sons, etc.

Would they ? Not mattering if it's Democrat/Republican, conservative or liberal.

The truth is, most politicians just shout and give orders, and then stay in the back line, doing nothing but sending OTHER people to death and misery. If they are the ones to fuel and encourage all this, wouldn't it be fair and just if they were the ones to lose everything for the causes they promote ?

Let's take the Terry Schiavo case. How many Politicians actually went there, kissed Terry Schiavo, held their hand and said "I'm here with you". How many ?

 

[Bodacious]

Look, I'm trying to argue with ya here. Please listen, it's all I ask.

The question is, do you think most politicians in Washington would be so dedicated to the cause of "liberating" Iraq they would devote themselves to it, possibly giving every penny they have to families who lose their sons, etc.

Would they ? Not mattering if it's Democrat/Republican, conservative or liberal.

For one, liberals wouldn't; they forsake the troops almost every chance they get.

For every person in the military that dies, whoever is on their recond of emergency data gets $250,000.

How much is your life insurance policy for?

How much did you give to charities last year? Bush gave almost $80,000 to Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, Md., St. John's Church in Washington, the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army World Service Office, AmeriCares, an international relief organization; and the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation.

Politicians give plenty.

The truth is, most politicians just shout and give orders, and then stay in the back line, doing nothing but sending OTHER people to death and misery. If they are the ones to fuel and encourage all this, wouldn't it be fair and just if they were the ones to lose everything for the causes they promote ?

Bush was re-elected. A majority of americans believe he is doing something right or he would have lost his job.

Let's take the Terry Schiavo case. How many Politicians actually went there, kissed Terry Schiavo, held their hand and said "I'm here with you". How many ?

None.

 

[Sprafa]

For one, liberals wouldn't; they forsake the troops almost every chance they get.

Stop the liberal obsession!

For every person in the military that dies, whoever is on their recond of emergency data gets $250,000.

How much is your life insurance policy for?

Who pays for those 250$000, politicians or the People ?

How much did you give to charities last year? Bush gave almost $80,000 to Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, Md., St. John's Church in Washington, the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army World Service Office, AmeriCares, an international relief organization; and the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation.

Politicians give plenty.

80$000 sounds like few for Bush's multi million dollar bank account. The thing is, there are three kinds of actions.

For duty - you know what you have to do (morally) and you do it, not for public appraisal but because you want to

Because of duty - You follow the moral code, not because you like it and respect it, but because you want to be approved by your peers.

Agaisnt duty - against the moral code

80$000 sound like he did for pics. Therefore, he did it because of duty.

Bush was re-elected. A majority of americans believe he is doing something right or he would have lost his job.

Or maybe... they were just choosing the lesser of two evils.

None.

What do you have to say about that ?

Do you think they were right shouting around in Congress and never actually looking into the eyes of Terri Schiavo ?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Again, the stats show that politicians have served. I think it was 131 veterans in Congress. They know what is going on. I suppose we shouldnt be allowed to go to war unless X amount of people serving are sons of Congressmen. It is a stupid argument. As Bodacious pointed out, their sons can choose to do what they want, it isnt their parents job to make that voluntary decision for them.

 

[Sprafa]

Again, the stats show that politicians have served. I think it was 131 veterans in Congress. They know what is going on. I suppose we shouldnt be allowed to go to war unless X amount of people serving are sons of Congressmen. It is a stupid argument.

I ask you the same question I ask Bodacious. How many politicians went to Terri Schiavo's room, held her hand and told her "I am with you".

According to them, she would understand this and possibly respond. Yet none came to her bedroom. All they did was shout about it. Couldn't they have went there and been with Terri Schiavo, just for the support ?

 

[seinfeldrules]

How many politicians went to Terri Schiavo's room, held her hand and told her "I am with you".

Excuse me, but I believe we are debating about the War in Iraq, not Terri Schiavo. You must have your topics confused. I really think that Terri situation was blown out of proportion.

 

[Sprafa]

Excuse me, but I believe we are debating about the War in Iraq, not Terri Schiavo. You must have your topics confused.

Avoiding the question ?

I'm discussing a politicians' devotion to what they say. In general. Answer the question if you will.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Avoiding the question ?

I'm discussing a politicians' devotion to what they say. In general. Answer the question if you will.

I really dont care about the Terri Schiavo case. Are you comparing that with a decision to go to war? I'm sorry, but they are completely different. It seems your avoiding the main issue more than anyone else by bringing up this offtopic tangent.

 

[Sprafa]

I really dont care about the Terri Schiavo case. Are you comparing that with a decision to go to war? I'm sorry, but they are completely different. It seems your avoiding the main issue more than anyone else by bringing up this offtopic tangent.

I am questioning the devotion of a John Doe politician to the cause they scream about.

That includes war, and every other belief they promote.

Alright now, think like this. If Bush had a rejuvenescence potion, would he go and join the troops at the front line, fighting for their lives every day?

Too hypotetical question isn't it ?

So I'm asking a real situation. Terri Schiavo. Anyone could've been there and held their hand. Some of the younger politicians who support Iraq certainly could go. Will they ?

Look at Rumsfeld in Iraq trying to justify the lack of armor. Couldn't he asked someone like... Cheney or Bush, who have gazillions of dollars, to donate a bit ?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Anyone could've been there and held their hand. Some of the younger politicians who support Iraq certainly could go. Will they ?

136 Congressmen are veterans. They have been. What you are claiming is outlandish. I suppose that if a Congressman votes to fund AIDs in Africa he needs to quit and join up with the Red Cross.

 

[short recoil]

I wouldn't die for my country, once i am dead what does it matter what happens to "my" country?

 

[Sprafa]

136 Congressmen are veterans. They have been.

That's different. They were most probably "drafted" for Vietnam. Or volunteered for peace. Or maybe, they actually had guts! Any way, it doesn't matters. They weren't in the top of the food chain in the war they fought for!

That's what I'm saying. If you're calling the shots in a war, sitting your ass in a nice leather chair, would you leave that to go and actively participate in the war you called upon the World ?

Would you devote yourself totally to the cause you promoted ?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Would you devote yourself totally to the cause you promoted ?

Do you not understand how unrealistic that is? A politican cant go out and accomplish everything he votes for. Sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but it just isnt possible.

 

[Bodacious]

Stop the liberal obsession!

Or what?

Who pays for those 250$000, politicians or the People ?

Wht difference does it make? The famlies of fallen soldiers are well compensated.

80$000 sounds like few for Bush's multi million dollar bank account. The thing is, there are three kinds of actions.

For duty - you know what you have to do (morally) and you do it, not for public appraisal but because you want to

Because of duty - You follow the moral code, not because you like it and respect it, but because you want to be approved by your peers.

Agaisnt duty - against the moral code

80$000 sound like he did for pics. Therefore, he did it because of duty.

His gross income was $784,219. What difference does it make how much his savings is?

All you can do is speculate why he gave the money.

Or maybe... they were just choosing the lesser of two evils.

Those were mostly Kerry voters, I assume. But not all of the 122 million people who voted chose the lesser of two evils.

What do you have to say about that ?

I don't care one way or the other. The only issue I have is I think she shouldn't have been starved to death, but it doesn't matter because she is dead now so my opinion on the issue is moot.

 

[15357]

if need be, i would defend my motherland(?) with everything i have.

 

[ríomhaire]

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his

 

[seinfeldrules]

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his

Heh, great quote. Gotta love good 'ole Patton.

 

[Neutrino]

I think the question should be worded differently.

I would die for certain ideas, ideals, and freedoms. But I would not die for my country. If my country is in a fight to preserve one of those three things, then yes I could fight. But the names of the countries doing the fighting are irrelavent in my opinion. The actual reason for the fight is what's important.

 

[nick_t]

"What can my country do for me?" They deduct so much from taxes etc. Give something back! I'd help it by becoming an integral and productive member of society but not much else. In the unlikely case of a direct invasion where soldiers are desperately needed (like in the good old days), I'd join to defend. However, that scenario is very inlikely in the modern age where technology rules over manpower in war.

 

[Kebean PFC]

I would fight for a set of ideals, but not for a politicians whim. I would fight for my family, and my home.

 

[shumlya4012]

I think the question should be worded differently.

I would die for certain ideas, ideals, and freedoms. But I would not die for my country. If my country is in a fight to preserve one of those three things, .

you forgot religion, land, and natural resources, those are more usual causes for the war

 

[Absinthe]

It really depends on the situation. If the USA was being attacked, I'd protect it with armed force. I would not, however, die for something like the Iraq war.

 

[kmack]

It really depends on the situation. If the USA was being attacked, I'd protect it with armed force. I would not, however, die for something like the Iraq war.

thats my sentiments exactly.

 

[The Monkey]

It really depends on the situation. If the USA was being attacked, I'd protect it with armed force. I would not, however, die for something like the Iraq war.

I thought you lived in Switzerland...

 

[Absinthe]

I thought you lived in Switzerland...

Yes, I do live in Switzerland.

 

[shumlya4012]

Yes, I do live in Switzerland.

u guys are historicly neutrial, or was it sweeden?

 

[Absinthe]

You were right with Switzerland.

But I'm not Swiss.

 

[No Limit]

If it meant protecting my family and people close to me I could very well die for my country. If it meant going to Iraq and killing thousands for no reason I wouldn't do a damn thing. Funny how we have this discussion, most republicans would say they would be patriots and die for their country but when someone in Iraq does this they are terrorists.

 

[Tr0n]

You were right with Switzerland.

But I'm not Swiss.

He's a red blooded american.

I get it right?

 

[Absinthe]

Straight out of Maryland, yo!

*tosses Tr0n a special biscuit*

 

[Tr0n]

Looks like my good memory came in handy once again.

I ain't eating that biscuit....you probally poisoned it...yankee.

 

[15357]

Looks like my good memory came in handy once again.

I ain't eating that biscuit....you probally poisoned it...yankee.

foreign devils.......

always suspecting......

 

[The Monkey]

u guys are historicly neutrial, or was it sweeden?

Pretty much both of us. Sweden has not been in war for 200 years, Switzerland has not been to war for 400 years.

 

[BaconIsGood4You]

USA. Depends if I deem it necessary. The whole point of a country is to uphold ones right to life.

If I'm very sick and a big hit on Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid, I would try to live as long as I could to shove it in the collective face of socialism.

If the country/ally is invaded I will fight and die if compelled, maybe even by my own choice. I believe in the draft as the role of a nation is collective defense of liberties with some mutual sacrifices to liberty such as taxing.