What's weed like for you?

[JNightshade]

I don't "prescribe" weed. I smoke pot because it's fun, and it makes me feel silly. Did you "prescribe" Half-Life 2 to yourself? Hardly (I hope D: )

Anyway, aside from that, your argument basically boils down to "1: It's illegal" and "2: Successful people don't do it." The first of those is sadly true, but I have no issue with it, because I'm cautious by nature. The second is just incorrect.

 

[hydrometeor]

It IS mortality, you're preaching against practises that are seen as covertly prestigious by modern standards of society. And you further go on to say no one successful engages in the use of illegal narcotics?

That is not morality. My claim is that if success is important to you, then it is probably wise to not smoking. If you read my post, you would see that I said "most" successful people. There's obviously exceptions. The success is measured by the person's wage and standard of living - not by what drugs they use.

Musicians and artists are often poor and unemployed. People who graduate with an engineering degree, for example, have higher wages on average than people who graduate with a degree in art.

 

[JNightshade]

Most musicians and artists are often poor and unemployed. People who graduate with an engineering degree, for example, have higher wages than people who graduate with a degree in art.

And that's where I stopped taking you seriously. If you define "success" as making the most money, you're already a lost cause. Personally, I consider music and art to be two of the best aspects of life. Engineering, on the other hand, doesn't interest me in the least. That doesn't make me "not successful"- it just makes me different.

 

[hydrometeor]

I don't "prescribe" weed. I smoke pot because it's fun, and it makes me feel silly. Did you "prescribe" Half-Life 2 to yourself? Hardly (I hope D: )

Anyway, aside from that, your argument basically boils down to "1: It's illegal" and "2: Successful people don't do it." The first of those is sadly true, but I have no issue with it, because I'm cautious by nature. The second is just incorrect.

I don't care that it's illegal. If you are never caught, then the illegality is irrelevant.

The second is not incorrect. People who don't smoke pot hold better jobs and live better than people who do smoke, on average.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

It is a poor idea to smoke pot.

No it's not.

It remains in your system for a long time

Only if you habitually use it (which I do). Doesn't matter to me.

and you may be tested if you manage to get a white collar job.

I imagine anyone looking for a job would know to lay off until after they were hired.

Furthermore you should not be prescribing drugs for yourself, because you are not qualified.

Am too.

You're playing dice with your mind and body. It will likely do more harm than good.

Pure BS. Pot is safer than aspirin...

 

[Pulse]

That is not morality. My claim is that if success is important to you, then it is probably wise to not smoking. If you read my post, you would see that I said "most" successful people. There's obviously exceptions.

Morality
–noun, plural
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

God knows what you think morality entails, but your interpretation is completely bastardised. You're implying that weed will completely deter a person's chances of success? By that logic I could say ice cream is also detrimental, as in abundance it can lead to obesity, diabetes, depression leading to dependence and so forth.

Most musicians and artists are often poor and unemployed. People who graduate with an engineering degree, for example, have higher wages than people who graduate with a degree in art.

Nice generalisations there, your logic is unquestionable.

 

[hydrometeor]

I imagine anyone looking for a job would know to lay off until after they were hired.

So when you're suddenly laid off, you have to wait for months before being employed again? Doesn't sound like a smart plan.

Pure BS. Pot is safer than aspirin...

Smoking marijuana reduces your lifespan. Also aspirin is often recommended by doctors. I am not qualified enough to discuss specific health issues of either, but I will take an American doctor's advice over yours any day.

 

[AntiAnto]

Weed probably modify my life to a really important extent. I began to smoke occasionally about two years ago and I didn't really like the trips. There were too powerful and I tended to get anxious.

But now, it's really different. Since a couple of months, I smoke my daily joint in my bedroom a bit late in the night (that is, of course, if i'm not around with friends or at parties, but I experience difficulties smoking marijuana as a social activity since it makes me a bit less social). Individually, it improves my capacity to relax and to enjoy the very present moment. Before, I was always stressed out for no reason. Now, even sober, I feel like there is no future and I rely far more on my senses and physical experiences than before.

Nevertheless, I know smoking weed could not be integrated in my school life and I'm already diminishing my consumption. Although, its influence on me will be probably permanent and I don't regret any minutes of it.

 

[theotherguy]

I don't do any drugs, legal or illegal. I just don't like the idea of losing control.

 

[hydrometeor]

Morality
?noun, plural
1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

God knows what you think morality entails, but your interpretation is completely bastardised. You're implying that weed will completely deter a person's chances of success? By that logic I could say ice cream is also detrimental, as in abundance it can lead to obesity, diabetes, depression leading to dependence and so forth.

It will not completely deter. The lifestyles and biographies of successful people show what actions are best to take. Successful people eat icecream much more frequently than they smoke pot. For the last time, I don't care what "God" thinks. Most divine texts say nothing about marijuana, to my knowledge.

Nice generalisations there, your logic is unquestionable.

Thank you.

 

[AntiAnto]

I don't do any drugs, legal or illegal. I just don't like the idea of losing control.

Funny you should that, because it makes me feel like I gain control on my mind and on my physical states.

 

[theotherguy]

Funny you should that, because it makes me feel like I gain control on my mind and on my physical states.

Not really that, I just don't like the idea of my brain being hijacked by a foreign chemical. I also don't like the idea of being dependent on any drug, or a drug altering the way I act.

 

[Pulse]

It will not completely deter. The lifestyles and biographies of successful people show what actions are best to take.

Ridiculous.

Successful people eat icecream much more frequently than they smoke pot.

You know this how?

For the last time, I don't care what "God" thinks. Most divine texts say nothing about marijuana, to my knowledge.

Where did I mention God in any of this? It seems you've never heard of Rastafarianism.

Thank you.

Ignorance is bliss it seems.

 

[hydrometeor]

Ridiculous.

You say it's "ridiculous" but have no evidence.

You know this how?

For the most part, successful people focus on their work, personal relations, etc., rather than exploring the depths of their minds with the use of drugs.

Where did I mention God in any of this?

In your last post, you mentioned "God".

Ignorance is bliss it seems.

Ok then...

 

[TCfromBN]

I fell like I gain control. In fact I've driven high, and I was a better driver high. I'll of course never do it again though.

Pot only stays in your system for up to 30 some days. Even if you are a habitual smoker. If you smoke on occasion, I'd stop about three weeks before the drug test. If you just smoke one time, it may stay in your system for 6 days.

Weed is safer than almost all other controlled substances. Hell, your less likely to do anything stupid on weed than on Salvia. The only con, besides being illegal, is that you're inhaling smoke. You can't look at it like a cigarette either, because there aren't any of those chemicals added. So, I guess weed and alcohol are on the same level, because one gives you liver cancer, and the other gives you lung cancer if you use too much.


Just because you smoke weed, doesn't mean your a pot head. If you like the experience, it will be fun, if not just lay off of it. It's not an addictive substance, if you want to quit, it's not difficult.

 

[co05]

Sweet Jesus H. Christ, I love how hydrometeor comes into the weed forum spitting out baseless "facts".

 

[TCfromBN]

I think this is the only thread he's been posting in.

 

[Pulse]

You say it's "ridiculous" but have no evidence.

Neither do you.

For the most part, successful people focus on their work, personal relations, etc., rather than exploring the depths of their minds with the use of drugs.

For some, drug taking is an integral part of their work focus. See Pink Floyd for example. And they aren't successful. No, of course not.

In your last post, you mentioned "God".

It was a minor utterance, not to be taken literally. But I'm not surprised that you did.

I will not respond to your next post as you have proven your sub-par intelligence. Plus quote wars just ruin threads. Thank you and good evening!

 

[TCfromBN]

"For some, drug taking is an integral part of their work focus."

You do have to look at these things case by case though.

 

[AntiAnto]

For the most part, successful people focus on their work, personal relations, etc., rather than exploring the depths of their minds with the use of drugs.

What the hell does success have to do in whether or not weed is an "appropriate" substance?

The way you define success seems like taking part in a monotonous cycle of waking up, working your ass off all day, and sleep to be ready to enter another day of painful bureaucratic work. You are successful because your income is impressive, but basically, in my book, you live a pitiful life.

Weed wakes my senses, makes me discover beautiful perspectives about music, movies, landscapes, universe, etc. I don't want to be "successful" by your definition. I won't to live a life of sensations and to take part in a lot of spiritual and intellectual experiences.

Money won't make that happen, weed and many other natural substance (don't have to be drugs) will though.

 

[co05]

Hey hydrometeor,

I forgot the exact number, but how many people died from consuming weed?

 

[Stigmata]

I think the answer was 0, unless you count the people who drive high and crash their cars. Then again, that number is nothing compared to the number of people that die after driving drunk.

 

[Tyguy]

Hydro, when you are done speaking out of your cornhole let us know, until then....stop trying to pass fact as fiction. It is quite clear that you haven't done a second of research on the subject.

 

[co05]

I think the answer was 0, unless you count the people who drive high and crash their cars. Then again, that number is nothing compared to the number of people that die after driving drunk.

Oh, that's right. ZERO!

 

[hydrometeor]

Wow, you guys are right, the link is very weak between marijuana use and poor work performance. Interesting. I guess I lost this debate for the most part .

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/amot1.htm

In one survey[2] a sample of almost 2000 college students was studied. There was no difference in grade point average and achievement between marijuana users and nonusers, but the users had more difficulty deciding on career goals, and a smaller number were seeking advanced professional degrees. On the other hand, other studies have shown lower school averages and higher dropout rates among users than nonusers. In any case these differences are not great. If there is such a thing as amotivational syndrome, its affects appear to be restricted to a few individuals, probably the small percentage who become heavy users.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Wow, you guys are right, the link is very weak between marijuana use and poor work performance. Interesting. I guess I lost this debate for the most part .

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/amot1.htm

Pretty much what I expected. Also note that it may be the individuals who are unsuccessful may be attracted to weed rather than weed making them unsuccessful which would throw the results off.

 

[co05]

Indeed, weed seems to attract lazy individuals rather than create them.

 

[hydrometeor]

Pretty much what I expected. Also note that it may be the individuals who are unsuccessful may be attracted to weed rather than weed making them unsuccessful which would throw the results off.

This is true. Correlation is not causation. The fact that the study involves college students is interesting. It removes other possible variables, and shows that using weed alone won't make you unsuccessful or lazy.

edit: clarified

 

[Stigmata]

But... but forum debates never end with someone admitting to being wrong in any way...

That's got to be a sign of the Apocalypse, right?

 

[hydrometeor]

But... but forum debates never end with someone admitting to being wrong in any way...

That's got to be a sign of the Apocalypse, right?

I'm not crazy enough to say that a scientific poll of 2000 students is simply wrong . The facts spoke against what I was saying.

 

[Pulse]

Someone sticky this shit and put it in the Politics forum!

 

[Qonfused]

But... but forum debates never end with someone admitting to being wrong in any way...

That's got to be a sign of the Apocalypse, right?

2012 is edging nearer.

 

[hydrometeor]

I was ready to prove everyone wrong with actual facts. But the scientific studies were against me.

 

[TCfromBN]

But... but forum debates never end with someone admitting to being wrong in any way...

That's got to be a sign of the Apocalypse, right?

2012 is edging nearer.

D:

 

[Tyguy]

To begin with, all we know about the amotivational syndrome is a result of a few case histories. These data cannot answer questions about: a) how common the syndrome is; b) whether the marijuana actually caused the change in behavior; or c) if the change is caused by marijuana, if it is best described as a change in all motivations, specific motivations, or something other than motivation, like ability or personality.

Basically this study is useless...

Do yourself a favor and look at a few credited studies done, you will see an inability to provide sufficient evidence that marijuana is even bad for you, let alone causes people to be less motivated.

Oh and I just gained alot of respect for you for admitting you may of been wrong, welcome to the forums

 

[TCfromBN]

Oh and I just gained alot of respect for you for admitting you may of been wrong, welcome to the forums

Seconded.

 

[Dinkleberry]

Hmmm, this thread came up more amusing than I thought it would. I haven't really tried that many different strains of bud, (and no hash at all) and wouldn't know where to start in identifying the ones I have tried by appearance of the dried plant. Who prefers Indica, and who prefers Sativa?

Also, the implication that Illegal Drugs are Bad in the UK is not that clear cut because salvia (amongst things like LSA-containing seeds - I just bought 50 hawaiin baby woodrose seeds for ?15) is legal, and I've heard from friends that salvia has given them the most ****ed up trips, more so than LSD.

As a kid in school, it's drilled into our heads that there is alcohol, cigarettes, coffee and Drugs. And Drugs are Bad. And it's implied that Drugs mean illegal drugs. When you smoke weed, that barrier separating legal drugs and illegal ones is broken entirely and thus (for me at least), weed, alcohol, caffeine, tobacco are treated as though on the same level - psychoactives.

Here's a quote from the guy I regard closest to a personal hero:
"A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes in when people who take drugs treat them like a license to behave like an asshole." - Zappa

If you break that barrier of legality, smoke weed, and see no problem with the consequences that in turn has an avalanche effect and makes you question The Establishment, and The Man.

^ Just a heads up for the people who might not understand the reasons for stoners going against the system!

I admit though, its probably more commendable for people to question the system without drugs as a stimulus (how mainstream!). These are purely my own views and if any fellow smokers disagree with any of this post please vent off! I have an annoying habit of being wrong.

 

[TCfromBN]

I can't get over the fact that poppy is legal to have, yet it is used is so many more potent, life destroying drugs.

 

[AntiAnto]

I can't get over the fact that poppy is legal to have, yet it is used is so many more potent, life destroying drugs.

Yeah, it really is stupid. I mean, you can't have a plant that is completely natural, because when synthesized and consumed, it makes you feel different... God, I hate how everything in our lives must be dictated and controlled by people sitting in front of their desks.

If I want to ruin my lungs, let me. I'm born with a liberty and I can use it to certain extent.

 

[Smoke]

Weed is amazing. Far more awesome than alcohol.

When I get high, I feel really euphoric and carefree, and get hysterical and find absolutely everything to be hilarious. It also tends to heighten the effects of my senses. Windows Media Player's visualizer is breathtaking, bright flashes of light (i.e. having a lighter flint struck in front of your eyes 15 times in a row) put me in a hysterical shock, and things like rubbing my face or repeatedly opening and closing my fists almost feel better than sex.

100% /thread right there.