What's your definition of a hero?

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I've always believed that that a hero is someone that makes a great contribution to mankind in some way. For example, Charles Babbage and Hermann Hollerith were heros of computer science because their inventions and ideas paved the way for many of today's advancements in computer technology as well as other technologies. Sure, computers can turn people into lazy, good-for-nothing vegetables, but think about the advancements that were made because of computers. Space exploration for instance.
Other examples of heroes are the American Founding Fathers and the men and women who died for our freedoms at the time. Sure, today's American politicians are shit, but that's because they have abused the principles on which America was founded. The principles that have defined freedom. There are also many similar heroes in other countries that have fought and died for a similar purpose, and yet many politicians of today in these countries have also abused those privileges.
Similar ideas can be applied with the heroes of computer technology as well. Even though many people today abuse and take for granted the convenience computers has offered, the great things that were accomplished (such as space travel for instance)couldn't have been possible without computers, thus still making computers a great contribution to mankind despite it's negative side effects on modern society.
There are many others who are heroes such as Albert Einstein for instance, who was revered as a hero of physics and mathematics. These and many other brilliant minds of which who have made great advancements through their achievements. It is our responsibility to make sure these contributions and the masterminds behind these endeavors are never forgotten, as to make sure they are not abused. /smokes pipe :smoking:

Well? What do you guys think of my thesis? :cool: It's a working progress of course and there are still some things to iron out, like using "space exploration" twice as an example. If you guys have any more ideas on how computers have made a great positive contribution to mankind, let me know. I can't get the margins to work in php though. :p Obviously, I can't use the word, "shit", in the final draft either, but I though I'd use a "sentence enhancer" or two to spice things up for you guys. :LOL:
 
Unhappy land that has no heroes?
No. Unhappy the land that has need of heroes.
 
Freedom isn't something of Man's, it's only mine. If your cause is for Man's freedom then it's for something not yours. It makes no sense to fight for freedom at the place that uses freedom only in rhetoric (usually along with "humanity," "morality," and "liberty"). So it matters if you think freedom is an egoistic cause or Man's cause. I don't buy into the latter. It's like religion in that it only wants to change who or what the God is. I just took exception to your original post. Most people polarize themselves from their ego all whilst praising freedom.
 
ericms said:
Freedom isn't something of Man's, it's only mine. If your cause is for Man's freedom then it's for something not yours. It makes no sense to fight for freedom at the place that uses freedom only in rhetoric (usually along with "humanity," "morality," and "liberty"). So it matters if you think freedom is an egoistic cause or Man's cause. I don't buy into the latter. It's like religion in that it only wants to change the definition of who or what the God is. I just took exception to your original post. Most people polarize themselves from their ego all whilst praising freedom.
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Hmm... that makes some since I suppose. Then tell me, how would you re-phrase it so that it doesn't sound like mere "rhetoric"? Was freedom even a valid cause for armies to fight for back in the days of the revolution(s)?
 
You have your way when you can. Freedom is only worth fighting for when it is worth it to you. It's more of a philosophical battle, with you declaring every ideal that's not yours as your enemy. It sounds silly, but it's immediately applicable, unlike having "faith" in Man before having it in yourself in the hope that it treats you well enough.
 
ericms said:
You have your way when you can. Freedom is only worth fighting for when it is worth it to you. It's more of a philosophical battle, with you declaring every ideal that's not yours as your enemy. It sounds silly, but it's immediately applicable, unlike having "faith" in Man before having it in yourself in the hope that it treats you well enough.
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Maybe the same reason the mandatory draft was banned in the U.S.? Do you think those fighting in today's battle's as well as the Crown Loyalists during the American Revolution had every right not to participate in America's battles if they did not want to? Should those "Loyalists" then have been made to leave the nation for not participating? I do somewhat believe in "blind patriotism" to a degree however. Look back at Nazi Germany for example. Then again, blind patriotism is not a solid priciple since other people may have different views on what blind patriotism really is. What are some solid principles a country should be based on in your opinion? What does "freedom" mean to you? Who are the real heroes in your eyes?
 
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This boy is a prime example of what I think to be a hero.

He was killed by communist commandos who had penetrated the border several years ago. He was asked by the commandos, who held a knife at him, "Do you like Communists?"

His last words were "NO! I hate communists! Communists are all liars!"

The enraged commandos then ripped his mouth off with a knife.

He was 10.


He died standing up against evil and standing up for Democracy and Freedom.
 
15357 said:
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This boy is a prime example of what I think to be a hero.

He was killed by communist commandos who had penetrated the border several years ago. He was asked by the commandos, who held a knife at him, "Do you like Communists?"

His last words were "NO! I hate communists! Communists are all liars!"

The enraged commandos then ripped his mouth off with a knife.

He was 10.


He died standing up against evil and standing up for Democracy and Freedom.
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Respect. :cheers:
 
The soldiers that fought and died in the World Wars, as they were prime examples of men being pushed to their limits and thrown into a hellish nightmare, everyday, as a means of standing up against an evil oppreser and fighting for pretty much, global freedom.

I mean just reading and watching about some of the battles, like insane conditions of trench warfare in WW1, and battles like Normandy, Hurtgen, Monte Casino and what the british paratroopers had to withstand at Arnhem and the american paratroopers at Bastogne shakes the spine. I wont even start with what the Russian soldiers had to face, either run that way and be killed by the enemy, or retreat and be killed by your own, no option but to press foward, and some of the battles on the Eastern front were outragous, like Stalingrad and Kursk.

Have the highest amount of respect for everyone of them.
 
Someone who contributes greatly to mankind and the advancement of our civilization and species.
 
The Hiro. He comes forth does does battle for the good of mankind..

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Numbers, the story of that boy is clearly complete bullshit.

Because elite enemy commandos penetrate your border just to torture ten-year-olds. :rolleyes:
 
A hero has to be a good man, if not a god. A hero has to be a street-wise Hercules who'll fight the rising odds. He doesn't need to be a white knight upon a fiery steed, but there's some qualifiers that every hero needs:

Well,
he's gotta be strong
and he's gotta be fast
and he's gotta be fresh from the fight

Yeah,
he's gotta be sure
and he's gotta be soon
and he's gotta be larger than life

LARGER THAN LIFE

I need a hero!
 
Sulkdodds said:
Numbers, the story of that boy is clearly complete bullshit.

Because elite enemy commandos penetrate your border just to torture ten-year-olds. :rolleyes:
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Actually they were going to bomb some GOP near the DMZ, iirc, but they got stopped by the military patrols who found out that they had penetrated the border. They were fleeing after an engagement with our police (in which 11 of our soldiers died) when they came across the village and entered the kid's house for shelter and food.

They prolly thought it might be good fun.



The father's still alive, and the brother as well, although he was stabbed multiple times. The mother died on that day as well, when they smashed her head in with a rock.
 
Quite simply, I think a Hero is someone that does something out of their own kindness and heart for a greater good.

Wether it be something as simple as fighting for what they believe in, or saving someone from something. Putting others first in a way.
 
Someone who helps someone or something in a major way out of his own motivation, even if that act of kindness can or will hurt that person.
 
Actually they were going to bomb some GOP near the DMZ, iirc, but they got stopped by the military patrols who found out that they had penetrated the border. They were fleeing after an engagement with our police (in which 11 of our soldiers died) when they came across the village and entered the kid's house for shelter and food.

They prolly thought it might be good fun.



The father's still alive, and the brother as well, although he was stabbed multiple times. The mother died on that day as well, when they smashed her head in with a rock.
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...yet it's ignored when they do it to themselves:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4557315.stm


no condemnation for the military? or do only comunist soldiers deserve that?
 
Shift said:
The soldiers that fought and died in the World Wars, as they were prime examples of men being pushed to their limits and thrown into a hellish nightmare, everyday, as a means of standing up against an evil oppreser and fighting for pretty much, global freedom.

I mean just reading and watching about some of the battles, like insane conditions of trench warfare in WW1, and battles like Normandy, Hurtgen, Monte Casino and what the british paratroopers had to withstand at Arnhem and the american paratroopers at Bastogne shakes the spine. I wont even start with what the Russian soldiers had to face, either run that way and be killed by the enemy, or retreat and be killed by your own, no option but to press foward, and some of the battles on the Eastern front were outragous, like Stalingrad and Kursk.

Have the highest amount of respect for everyone of them.
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That's wholly incorrect.

In WW1 the people who fought were fighting for conflicting empires; there was no side that was morally justified.

The British empire raped and pillaged half the world. The German empire would have done the same.
It was a battle of two evils; in fact those who fought on either side were committing evil themselves by helping to perpetuate they respective empires.

The real hero's of that era, were the thousand Irish men and women, who in Dublin 1916, took control of Dublin from the British and proclaimed the republic of Ireland, granting for the first time, freedom and democracy to the people of Ireland.

They did this, knowing they would soon be crushed by the English forces, which they were. The leaders were executed. What makes it heroic is that they knew their revolution was doomed to fail, they expected to die; they didn't even have the support of much of their countrymen, but they did it anyway becuase it was right.

James Conolly, one of the leaders, said this in his last statement before his execution:

To the Field General Court Martial, held at Dublin Castle, on May 9th, 1916:
I do not wish to make any defence except against charges of wanton cruelty to prisoners. These trifling allegations that have been made, if they record facts that really happened deal only with the almost unavoidable incidents of a hurried uprising against long established authority, and nowhere show evidence of set purpose to wantonly injure unarmed persons.

We went out to break the connection between this country and the British Empire, and to establish an Irish Republic. We believed that the call we then issued to the people of Ireland, was a nobler call, in a holier cause, than any call issued to them during this war, having any connection with the war. We succeeded in proving that Irishmen are ready to die endeavouring to win for Ireland those national rights which the British Government has been asking them to die to win for Belgium. As long as that remains the case, the cause of Irish freedom is safe.

Believing that the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland, the presence, in any one generation of Irishmen, of even a respectable minority, ready to die to affirm that truth, makes that Government for ever a usurpation and a crime against human progress.

I personally thank God that I have lived to see the day when thousands of Irish men and boys, and hundreds of Irish women and girls, were ready to affirm that truth, and to attest it with their lives if need be.

JAMES CONNOLLY,
Commandant-General, Dublin Division,
Army of the Irish Republic
 
Jack Churchill

In short, he was a WWII commando who carried a sword, bow and arrow, and bagpipes.

For his actions at Dunkirk and Vaasgo, Churchill received the Military Cross and Bar. He received the Distinguished Service Order in 1943 for capturing the battery at Salerno, while commanding Number 2 Commando. Leading from the front, Churchill infiltrated the town with only a corporal in support. He kidnapped a sentry and forced him to make his comrades surrender. Churchill and the riflemen walked out of town with 42 prisoners and a mortar squad.
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In 1944, he led Number 2 Commando in Yugoslavia, where they supported the efforts of Tito's partisans. The commandos raided the German-held island of Brač and assaulted hill 622. Only Churchill and six others managed to reach the objective. A mortar shell killed or wounded everyone but Churchill, who played "Will Ye No Come Back Again?" on his pipes as the Germans advanced. He was knocked unconscious by grenades and was flown to Berlin for interrogation after being captured. He was placed in Sachsenhausen concentration camp.
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He is the definition of a hero!
 
Dog-- said:
Jack Churchill

In short, he was a WWII commando who carried a sword, bow and arrow, and bagpipes.





He is the definition of a hero!
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Holy shit, that guy is awesome!

Eccentric until the end, Churchill would toss his briefcase out of the window of the commuter train he rode home every day. Passengers and conductors were shocked because they didn't know he was throwing the luggage into his own backyard as the train passed by. It saved him the trouble of carrying it all the way home from the station.
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Saturos said:
Maybe the same reason the mandatory draft was banned in the U.S.? Do you think those fighting in today's battle's as well as the Crown Loyalists during the American Revolution had every right not to participate in America's battles if they did not want to? Should those "Loyalists" then have been made to leave the nation for not participating? I do somewhat believe in "blind patriotism" to a degree however. Look back at Nazi Germany for example. Then again, blind patriotism is not a solid priciple since other people may have different views on what blind patriotism really is. What are some solid principles a country should be based on in your opinion? What does "freedom" mean to you? Who are the real heroes in your eyes?
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The only rights someone has are those that were earned through their own might (perhaps while being honest, perhaps while being deceptive). You can live this way in the world as it is now, you don't have to wait until all of Man sees things the way you do. Social contracts (including the beloved non-aggression principle) trounce the ego. They tell you that thoughts and acts of aggression should not be qualities of Man, so your actual self may be denied for the ideal of what Man should be. That's religion. On patriotism it's simple, any kind is blind. Anyway, what is a hero supposed to do for me? Do they similarly tell me how a life should be lived? I don't have much to say about heroes.
 
Anyone who wears a cape is automatically a hero.
 
NO. no robotic metal-faced metalheads who look like they are wearing glasses allowed!
 
Bullshit. Wars create heroes on all sides. The Red Baron was a hero, a truly honourable man.
There were heroes amongst the German army in WW2 just as there were amongst the British and the Russians and the Americans.

A hero is someone who makes a huge sacrifice for the benefit of other people, and to the soldiers fighting on the ground, ideology has **** all to do with it. They just want to live through it all, along with their friends.

Solaris said:
That's wholly incorrect.

In WW1 the people who fought were fighting for conflicting empires; there was no side that was morally justified.

The British empire raped and pillaged half the world. The German empire would have done the same.
It was a battle of two evils; in fact those who fought on either side were committing evil themselves by helping to perpetuate they respective empires.

The real hero's of that era, were the thousand Irish men and women, who in Dublin 1916, took control of Dublin from the British and proclaimed the republic of Ireland, granting for the first time, freedom and democracy to the people of Ireland.

They did this, knowing they would soon be crushed by the English forces, which they were. The leaders were executed. What makes it heroic is that they knew their revolution was doomed to fail, they expected to die; they didn't even have the support of much of their countrymen, but they did it anyway becuase it was right.

James Conolly, one of the leaders, said this in his last statement before his execution:

To the Field General Court Martial, held at Dublin Castle, on May 9th, 1916:
I do not wish to make any defence except against charges of wanton cruelty to prisoners. These trifling allegations that have been made, if they record facts that really happened deal only with the almost unavoidable incidents of a hurried uprising against long established authority, and nowhere show evidence of set purpose to wantonly injure unarmed persons.

We went out to break the connection between this country and the British Empire, and to establish an Irish Republic. We believed that the call we then issued to the people of Ireland, was a nobler call, in a holier cause, than any call issued to them during this war, having any connection with the war. We succeeded in proving that Irishmen are ready to die endeavouring to win for Ireland those national rights which the British Government has been asking them to die to win for Belgium. As long as that remains the case, the cause of Irish freedom is safe.

Believing that the British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland, the presence, in any one generation of Irishmen, of even a respectable minority, ready to die to affirm that truth, makes that Government for ever a usurpation and a crime against human progress.

I personally thank God that I have lived to see the day when thousands of Irish men and boys, and hundreds of Irish women and girls, were ready to affirm that truth, and to attest it with their lives if need be.

JAMES CONNOLLY,
Commandant-General, Dublin Division,
Army of the Irish Republic
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