When does life start?

[Direwolf]

So are we permitted to kill you now then?

 

[$kelet0r]

When does life start?

Tomorrow

 

[Joker]

When do you believe life starts? At conception? At birth?

Personally I do not believe that life starts until birth.

Life began about 4.5 billion years ago. The pertinent question as regards abortion is: when does it become unethical to allow a mother to have an abortion? And that varies.

 

[gh0st]

Life begins at conception.

Is your thumb not alive simply because it isnt out solving mathematical equations and pondering deep philosophical thoughts?

 

[Absinthe]

Life begins at conception.

Is your thumb not alive simply because it isnt out solving mathematical equations and pondering deep philosophical thoughts?

I don't know about you, but my thumb doesn't have a brain.

 

[Pogrom]

I personally believe that life begins somewhere in the latter part of pregnancy. I don't believe a zygote is life, any more than I believe a tumorous growth is life.

I do understand and respect that some people believe life starts at conception. It is their prerogative to believe that. However, it is not their right to force other people to believe the same thing.

Their justification for believing life begins at conception? Religion.

My justification for believing differently? Scientific research, reasoned debate and a consensus of the medical community.

Believe what you want to believe. But don't force your beliefs upon others.

 

[bvasgm]

I don't think they're trying to 'force' their views onto anybody..but I do agree that life begins after conception, but before birth..but it's closer to birth..

 

[Pogrom]

I don't think they're trying to 'force' their views onto anybody..but I do agree that life begins after conception, but before birth..but it's closer to birth..

Well, my comment about forcing views upon people wasn't aimed at people in this thread, it is more aimed at those who want to make abortion illegal.

In this case they are using religious justification to try and change the law. Thereby forcing/inflicting their particular religious beliefs upon the general public.

 

[bvasgm]

Ah..In that case you're totally right. Damn ultra-religious/conservative republicans..trying to tell me evolution isn't right and that abortion is morally wrong..

 

[gh0st]

I don't know about you, but my thumb doesn't have a brain.

It needs a brain to be a life? So an Ambeoba isnt alive, its just there? :stare: How about single celled organisms. They dont have structures approximating brains. Are they alive?

Ah..In that case you're totally right. Damn ultra-religious/conservative republicans..trying to tell me evolution isn't right and that abortion is morally wrong..

Youre preaching to the choir, honestly nobody knows what you're talking about. If anybody its the anti-god liberals trying to shove shitty morals down everyone elses throats.

 

[Absinthe]

They're alive in that sense. But they aren't alive in terms of conscious thought and sentience.

Plus, nobody gives a shit if we kill amoebas.

 

[Absinthe]

I thought we were trying to promote secularism. Oh well.

 

[gh0st]

Plus, nobody gives a shit if we kill amoebas.

Yeah you dont give a shit when you kill humans either, thats the problem.
life ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lf)
n. pl. lives (lvz)

The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.

Life begins at conception. You can not give a shit all you want, doesnt mean many, many Americans feel abortion is wrong.

 

[Absinthe]

Yeah you dont give a shit when you kill humans either, thats the problem.

I don't consider a foetus to be a human like you and I are. I most certainly don't consider a zygote to be a human either.

Straw man.

life ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lf)
n. pl. lives (lvz)

The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.

And this definition of life is irrelevant because a foetus, let alone a developed human, does not exist at conception.

Life begins at conception. You can not give a shit all you want, doesnt mean many, many Americans feel abortion is wrong.

And many Americans feel there's nothing wrong with abortion.

Appeal to popularity.

Shit argument.

 

[gh0st]

I don't consider a foetus to be a human like you and I are. I most certainly don't consider a zygote to be a human either.

Straw man.

Its not a human. Its alive, its becoming human.

And this definition of life is irrelevant because a foetus, let alone a developed human, does not exist at conception.

Does a fetus produce cells, grow, respond to stimuli? Yes across the board.

And many Americans feel there's nothing wrong with abortion.

Appeal to popularity.

Shit argument.

I'm not appealing to anybody, especially you. Some people are happy with supporting baby killing, thats fine, it suits you well.

 

[Tr0n]

So when I masturbate everyday I'm killing babies? :O

Well damn I guess I'm a murder then.

 

[gh0st]

So when I masturbate everyday I'm killing babies? :O

Well damn I guess I'm a murder then.

Unless when you are masturbating every 28 minutes to pictures of scantily clad vampires in computer gaming world, into your tube sock, you are concieving with the tube sock, thereby creating life, then no. No you are not.

 

[Absinthe]

Its not a human. Its alive, its becoming human.

So it's potential.

Does a fetus produce cells, grow, respond to stimuli? Yes across the board.

Does it exist at conception? No. Irrelevant.

I'm not appealing to anybody, especially you. Some people are happy with supporting baby killing, thats fine, it suits you well.

When did I suggest you were trying to appeal to me? No, I said you were making an appeal to popularity, in which you attempted to justify your position because it is a popular one. It's a common fallacy that sidesteps making an actual argument.

You're making no sense, saying that I support baby killing when I've made it quite clear that, at conception, there is no baby. And what exactly do you mean by "it suits me well"? Is this some sort of moral evaluation of my character? Am I evil? That because I support countless other abhorrent acts, being a "baby killer" comes with the territory?

Don't bother any more, gh0st. If this is the best you can come up with, then you're wasting my time.

 

[gh0st]

So it's potential.

Your "argument" is that 'it' not alive. I made a typo. The Zygote, existing at conception, does everything above. Thus it is life, and is a LIVING thing. What, is it dead? Do dead people replicate and respond to environmental stimuli? **** no.

Does it exist at conception? No. Irrelevant.

See above.

When did I suggest you were trying to appeal to me? No, I said you were making an appeal to popularity, in which you attempted to justify your position because it is a popular one. It's a common fallacy that sidesteps making an actual argument.

Well you certainly know me, ALWAYS trying to be the popular one around here.

 

[Absinthe]

Your "argument" is that 'it' not at life. I made a typo. The Zygote, existing at conception, does everything above. Thus it is life, and is a LIVING thing. What, is it dead? Do dead people replicate and respond to environmental stimuli? **** no.

You said so yourself: " its becoming human".

A zygote is not dead, it is a living thing. But I do not consider it to be a human life. A zygote does not respond to environmental stimuli. A zygote has no consciousness. It has no nervous system.

Well you certainly know me, ALWAYS trying to be the popular one around here.

...many Americans feel abortion is wrong.

I wasn't talking about the forum.

 

[Tr0n]

Life begins....when I impregnate absinthe....

 

[gh0st]

But I do not consider it to be a human life.

I disagree. But sadly neither of us can prove our points in this one, its just a question of what we feel.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

ok, i though it was common sense that everylife begins with seed, ex. you plant a seed in the ground and a plant begins to grow, man plants a seed in a woman and a child begins to grow

come on, guys, its so obvios
open your eyes and mind

 

[Pesmerga]

ok, i though it was common sense that everylife begins with seed, ex. you plant a seed in the ground and a plant begins to grow, man plants a seed in a woman and a child begins to grow

come on, guys, its so obvios
open your eyes and mind

Again, humans don't START life, they progress it.

If you want to get really technical, sperm cells are living cells. So infact, at around 12 pm every night, I commit genocide against humanity.

There is no answer to the ethical question, it simply doesn't exist. The question to me is really silly, anyways. But if I had to decide, I would say the moment the central nervous system is developed enough to receive impulses is what I would consider "life". So doing whatever with the baby (with the parent's consent, obviously) is fine by me unless the central nervous system is developed. I can't fathom a world where we go on with our daily lives knowing we inflict great pain on innocent babys.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Again, humans don't START life, they progress it.

If you want to get really technical, sperm cells are living cells. So infact, at around 12 pm every night, I commit genocide against humanity.

There is no answer to the ethical question, it simply doesn't exist. The question to me is really silly, anyways. But if I had to decide, I would say the moment the central nervous system is developed enough to receive impulses is what I would consider "life". So doing whatever with the baby (with the parent's consent, obviously) is fine by me unless the central nervous system is developed. I can't fathom a world where we go on with our daily lives knowing we inflict great pain on innocent babys.

but, see, one sperm cell by itself can not produce a child

i think what we really need to do is to define terms "life" and "existance"
you are right, humans doen't start life, but they start the PROCESS which results in a new human

 

[Pesmerga]

Sure.

If indeed the spinal cord and brain are functioning at the seventh month, then it should be considered "life" then.

Seventh Month.

 

[kmack]

Sure.

If indeed the spinal cord and brain are functioning at the seventh month, then it should be considered "life" then.

Seventh Month.

works for me
though id go a little earlier to appease the psychos

 

[jmjneary]

well odviously it starts in heaven *lol*

 

[baxter]

Life is life, right down to cellular level.
Had the question been, when does conscious, self aware life begin? The answer would have been different. In this case I would agree with this statement.

If indeed the spinal cord and brain are functioning at the seventh month, then it should be considered "life" then