When Suddenly Coming into a large sum of money

Calanen

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Although the other thread was closed because it was a number limited competition, the reference to a lottery winner reminded me of some sobering statistics about them. About half of them have nothing in a few years after they win the lottery.

I have had friends, clients and associates who have come into a lot of money suddenly. Mostly from inheritances, sometimes lucky business deals, or more rarely lottery wins.

There are a few things, that I think if this happens to you, you should take into account:

- *everyone* you ever knew, met, or who can find you will crawl out of the woodwork and ask for money. Relatives you never knew you had will appear saying 'you have 10 mil, why can't you give me 500k?' Don't be suckered. You don't pay other people's bills, its your money and they can jam it.

- if you are to be generous, do it in a very limited way - remember who your friends are. True friends will never put the hard word on you for money. One of my best friends is an extremely wealthy guy in Australia, but I have never asked him for a cent. Nor would I ever do so.

- if you are not a financial whiz (and few of us are) go to one of the big accounting firms for financial advice - like KPMG or Deloittes Touche Tomatsu. Do not go to your cousin's friend Dodgy Bros and Co. Many 'investment advisers' make their money from kickbacks for getting suckers to invest in pushed stock. They don't care whether you make money or not.

- disappear. You will get calls from *everyone* who you dont even know. Don't give out your address, email whatever to anybody.

- Never - boast about your money. Boast about your girlfriend, hot wife, prowess in bed whatever. But never about how much cash you have. People will forget you won the lottery in time perhaps. No need to keep reminding the criminals you have money. It is the quickest way for the more unscrupulous elements to appear. There was a famous case in Australia where someone one the lottery and their son was kidnapped, held for ransom and killed.

- Buy something like property outright. So if everything falls apart, you have a place to live. And invest the rest in something very secure like blue chip stock. Most of the big banks, like Goldman Sachs have private client services that can pick and manage a basket of blue chip stocks for you. There is risk for sure still, but a lot less than the risk associated with the 'Tow an Iceberg' type scheme seen in the movie 'Brewsters Millions'.

- make yourself 'family law' proof. You can take strategic advice to structure your assets so your significant other, or potential significant other does not leave you in the poor house. Ie marries you, then divorces you takes your house, your business and your cash, while living with another guy in the place that you bought, often with you still paying the mortage. Pre-nups can mean jack once children are involved. Big accounting firms and law firms can help you structure your assets properly to minimise this risk.

But - above all - have fun. Just make sure that the fun does not come to a screaming halt because you have bought 10 million in stock from a 2 dollar company that the mob was pushing.....
 
Mmmmm...thanks for that advice? Heh.
 
Good advice, although this probably isn't your target audience :)
 
I'm pretty sure you're preaching to the never-to-be-converted :D
 
Pi Mu Rho said:
Good advice, although this probably isn't your target audience :)
Exactly what I was thinking.
Man how I wish I could take your advice. ;(
 
Never know. I know plenty of young people who have inherited a lot of money when grandpa dies or whatever. But if it does not apply to you, no problemo.
 
thanks for the advice. all i need now is to win the damn thing.
 
Well, my family is going to inherit ALOT soon, so I suppose this is good advice.
 
CrazyHarij said:
Well, my family is going to inherit ALOT soon, so I suppose this is good advice.

we're friends arent we harij :naughty:

lol jk. like calanen said i wud never ask for money. :devil:
 
KoreBolteR said:
we're friends arent we harij :naughty:

lol jk. like calanen said i wud never ask for money. :devil:

:p

Yeah, if you want something you either steal it or don't bother at all.
 
If i was to come into several million £s, i would just live off the interest. Buy a nice flat in London somewhere in a nice area, have some nice things inside, a nice car, not going to wild though, and then just live off the interest. If you have 5million in the bank in a high interest account, you'd be getting thousands and thousands a month, just from interest. No need to work, can go on 2 holidays a year to wherever you want, and not need to ever worry about money ever again for the rest of your life,
 
If i was to come into several million £s, i would just live off the interest.

Well you could do that - but you are 'losing' the regular rate of return you'd get from investing in something pretty low risk like property. If you bought a flat, lived in it, and bought another one - you get the weekly rent roll and the capital appreciation on the other apartment without having to do very much.

In addition, you have to pay tax on the interest, whereas - the cost of an apartment and rent roll gets deductions against it associated with being a landlord.

So I think that while you certainly wont lose the principal, the opportunity cost of not investing in something small is likely to be great. If it becomes the case that property in London is worthless, we will all have more problems than can be cured by retaining our fortune in a bank account.
 
ah, calanen trying to legitimise your stay here I see ..try other sections as well ..makes it look more random
 
Calanen said:
Well you could do that - but you are 'losing' the regular rate of return you'd get from investing in something pretty low risk like property. If you bought a flat, lived in it, and bought another one - you get the weekly rent roll and the capital appreciation on the other apartment without having to do very much.

In addition, you have to pay tax on the interest, whereas - the cost of an apartment and rent roll gets deductions against it associated with being a landlord.

So I think that while you certainly wont lose the principal, the opportunity cost of not investing in something small is likely to be great. If it becomes the case that property in London is worthless, we will all have more problems than can be cured by retaining our fortune in a bank account.
Why is it that when people have money they always want more....

I'd be happy with a couple of grand a week!
 
ah, calanen trying to legitimise your stay here I see ..try other sections as well ..makes it look more random

Are you taking your pills Stern? I think your paranoia is getting out of control again.
 
Btw I should mention to the dude that talked about living off the interest - 4% is probably what you might get for a bank account, and on 2 million pounds that's about 80,000 pounds a year.

So not massive money - but still doable I guess for low low low risk. But you also lose on the fact of inflation too - ie, every year your money, or principal, becomes worth less because of inflation.
 
80,000 is plenty to live of off, with money to spend on holidays etc. with money left over. I guess if you want to live in a very expensive area then it's not so good, but otherwise that amount of cash is fine. Besides, if you wanted more you could always get a low-paying job you enjoy.
 
Hmm - as I say, if you wanted to live reasonably comfortably, I think owning property would make the most sense and live off the rent. It does not make sense just to stick the cash in a bank account, when you can live off the rent roll and capital appreciation.
 
CptStern said:
ah, calanen trying to legitimise your stay here I see ..try other sections as well ..makes it look more random

Oh hush Stern.


Anyways. Hey guys I just won a billion bucks! Woohoo, money for everybody! <throws 100 dollar bills around like confetti>

Heh. Seriously though, as the others have said... good advice, but most of us here will never need it. Maybe you can make a similiar thread about conserving small amounts of money? lol
 
I believe that people should work for their money. People that get lucky do not deserve their money.

I also believe that when you earn your wealth, you gain the knowledge of how to look after it, and not let it ruin your life. Most people these days that get rich without earning their money end up living shitty meaningless lives.

So, the story is - money isn't everything. Earn enough to survive, because the best things in life are free.
 
lePobz said:
I believe that people should work for their money. People that get lucky do not deserve their money.

I also believe that when you earn your wealth, you gain the knowledge of how to look after it, and not let it ruin your life. Most people these days that get rich without earning their money end up living shitty meaningless lives.

So, the story is - money isn't everything. Earn enough to survive, because the best things in life are free.

Nothing is free :p
 
I see money as being opportunity.... with money i have many more options within the society to do things and make something of myself. Sure i could do this by working hard but whatever anyone says, i'll never believe this country is a true meritocracy. I hope to earn enough to be comfortable one day, to be able to buy a few luxuries, but nothing huge. Some people just have too much money... footballers, pop stars, company executives.
 
Sprafa said:
Nothing is free :p

So true. Not even breathing air or drinking water are free.

With air, the cost is of the health of your body. Sure, there are uncontested health benefits for it, but also slightly detrimental effects with the pollution, etc. Same with water.

In a truely perfect world, there might be free things, but not in our world.
 
Good advice Calanen, thanks. Hope I can put it to use some day :)
 
Raziaar said:
So true. Not even breathing air or drinking water are free.

With air, the cost is of the health of your body. Sure, there are uncontested health benefits for it, but also slightly detrimental effects with the pollution, etc. Same with water.

In a truely perfect world, there might be free things, but not in our world.
yeah, like i was scanning through the paper the other day, and i noticed an ad saying:

"ring this number for a free ringtone"..and i had no money on my phone so i gave it a try!

and it still didnt let me thru :flame: , so much for a free feckin call?!
 
Very nice, Calanen. Most of that stuff never even occured to me :O

Good work.
 
CptStern said:
ah, calanen trying to legitimise your stay here I see ..try other sections as well ..makes it look more random
Wow stern I expected better from you.
 
I'm just stating the obvious ...somehow I dont get the impression he's much of a gamer ...but then again I could be wrong, so dont take my word for it
 
Also you should not judge...He could be but so what?Hell I haven't even played hl2 yet...but I'm on these forums.

/me grabs a whip

Now get back in the politics forum!
 
Tr0n said:
Also you should not judge...He could be but so what?Hell I haven't even played hl2 yet...but I'm on these forums.

* Tr0n grabs a whip


Now get back in the politics forum!

what? you havent played HL2 yet!?!

*sharpens point on stick*


Stern: "hey tron how much weight do you think this stick can hold"?

tron: "I dont know *looks left and right* ...."why?"

Stern: "oh, no big deal ...ummm how heavy do you think your head is?"


....and I will NOT go back to the politics forums without kicking and screaming!!

"whaaaahhh *kick* YARGHHH, *kick* GAH!!!"
 
Hmmmm...we gotta die some day right?

Just make sure you shove the stick into my head pretty quickly...I want it to be painless and quick.
 
sweet ..it'd be like sticking a butter knife into a ripe melon :E




alright now I'm just starting to get more than a little looney *pops pills* I'll be better soon as these babies take effect
 
/me hits both so they get back on topic.

So, money, eh?
 
I'm just stating the obvious ...somehow I dont get the impression he's much of a gamer ...but then again I could be wrong, so dont take my word for it

I think Stern would like me to post a big response saying hey I play x or y, or degenerate into flaming and cussing. But truly - its not important, so why bother?

Truth is I found this forum doing a google search for half life 2 mods. But then again, I'm just saying that as part of my 'cover'.......
 
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