Where did those VALVe guys get the ideal of the striders ?

dude. why are you so pissed about a vague resemblance to manatees? you know you look like a fool when youre trying so hard to find things to nitpick about but could only come up with "valve ripped off the manatee design!!!"
 
Åquarius said:
90%? thats very generous. there isn't a whole lot about either hl1 or hl2 that is original.

And the hl1 story was ripped from the doom games.

doom = demons invade through a portal and you are the only survivor in the base, and you must fight them off.

that is pretty much the story of hl, they just replaced demons with aliens, hwich isn't a huge leap of creativity IMO. Sure there is more depth to it, but that doesnt mean they didnt rip it. They just took a rip of the story and added a few more elements, such as a X-files ripped mysterious man and so on. Basically, half life is just a huge collage of rip pffs from various things, old sci-fi, othe rgames, X-files, Manatees....
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OH, in that case Doom must have ripped off Stephen King first because Valve have already said that it was based on the Mist which came out well before any computer game(Gordon wasn't the lone survivor) . And saying that is all the story is I guess would be an insult to the ideas of Freytag and Aristotle... And now you are arguing that the *whole thing* was made of rip-offs? That is probably even harder to defend than your original claim... I mean at first it was naming 10% things that (from what you've been told) look like they were from another source. Now you have to show how the whole thing looks ripped. That means to win, I just have to come up with one thing that isn't ripped! How about barnacles? hive-hand? gargs? snarks (though lewis carrol made the name)? etc...

Here is a concept you should know about- some games, movies, books, etc. have a theme. They design the things in their game, movie, book around this theme. Sometimes their design may cross into someone elses design. It is always more important to stay true to theme. So before you go and start criticizing the rip-offs in Doom3 (which you could do for a year or two), remember, there is more to something than whether it looks ripped-off or not.
 
Look, I'm not trying hard to do anything. One doesn't have to try to find all of the rip offs. The manatee is one of the most obvious ones. How anyone could look at the gunship and not see the manatee is beyond me. ITS EXACTLY THE SAME! The gunship is just a metal manatee with a propellar.

It's not difficult. And I don't mind. I'll still play the game. But people should just realize that the manatee is an endangered animal that valve ripped off. You shouldn't deny the obvious.
 
How can you rip-off an animal? Oh, wait, sorry, it's copyrighted to the raelians, isn't it?

It is in no way exactly the same. It's made of organic-looking plating, wires and a fan, for goshsakes. Manatees do not have guns attatched (Though no doubt they wouldn't be endangered if they did :E). Manatees do not fly (I hope so, anyway.). Manatees do not hunt people down.
 
OH, in that case Doom must have ripped off Stephen King first because Valve have already said that it was based on the Mist which came out well before any computer game(Gordon wasn't the lone survivor)
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Then they obviously ripped of the doom games AND this Mist thing. Wouldn't surprise me. Ok then, add 1 more to the list, Mist.

... And now you are arguing that the *whole thing* was made of rip-offs?
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I didn't say that. In reality, about 90% of it is a collage of rip offs from various things, X-Files, manatees, Mist, the other 10% is a poor attempt at originality, which was heavily inspired by other things, but not really ripped off.

How about barnacles?
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Yea, rip.

hive-hand?
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that too

gargs? snarks
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These arent exactly rips, but they are heavily inspired. this falls into the 10% of the game that isn't a direct rip.


The rest of your posts doesnt matter. As someone else said there are people who are indeed inspired, and there are people who flat out rip. Valve is one of these two, and it isn't the former. While doom3 is inspired in some areas, it is not the rip fest that halflife is by any means. Most games are inspired by something, but they don't rip like others.
 
Do you just like to be inflammatory? If all those things were ripped, where were they ripped from?
 
OMFG, you're using question marks!!1!1!! Quit being so unoriginal, I mean FFS, come up with your punctuation! Ripoff-er! There are so many ripoffs, Christianity is a ripoff of Judiasm, the U.S. ripped off Athens, humans are ripped off of apes, you are a ripoff of your parents, my fricken cells are so ripping off eachother 24/7!111!1! I hate this unoriginal world so much!
 
There is a difference between valve 'ripping' the design off and 'basing' the design off. I think valve may have based the design off of a manatee, but you can't rip off something that isn't copywrited, it just doesn't make any sense. I'm sure mr. manatee won't care. What you are saying about valve ripping off doom *could* hold some water but this manatee nonsense is silly.

:cheers:
 
[They drew inspiration from the manatee, perhaps. The combine ARE supposed to have living ships, why not base it on a familiar form? Your logic here astounds me, let's say that Doom's upside-down spider heads look like, get this, SPIDERS WITH HUMAN HEADS! iD ripped off spiders AND humans in ONE monster.. it's sad when iD's creativity is so non-existant that.....]

i always thought of the Thing when i saw them
 
ROFLOL.

You might want to bring your definition of "ripped off" in line with the rest of the world.
 
so, now that the creepy Myst misspelling emotional cult follower is gone... we're back to earth, 2004.

well uh, things may be inspired by other things, but spiders and manatees would be happy to be honored in a game that depicts them getting payback on people who endanger/squash them :)

heheh
 
maybe valve is afraid of spiders so they decided to make a giant one...make it an alien(or combine or whatever tehy said) and scare themselves
 
I always thought the gunship was clever *because* it resembled a manatee.. I mean do we really need more generic flying vehicles? That goes the same for everything Valve does. They have a theme that makes everything they do just kind of *fit*. The thing that bugs me the most is that he goes on to defend Doom3 (arguably the most 'rips' ever...). This leads me to believe that he is in fact just another Doom3 fan looking for problems with HL2.... that's where the whole 'rip' thing comes from.
 
I'd say you're right. about Acquiras. he started another thread about VGUI's and how amazing the DooM3 one is. The guys just causing as much trouble as he can, and now he's been banned. Anyway, back on-topic I dont think of anything in HL2 being a rip of anything at all. The strider resembles the Tripod thing from War of the Worlds and Dog looks like a gorilla version of Amee from Red Planet but, who cares?
Besides if you wanna talk about rip's Doom 3's got more then Half Life 2, in my opinion anyway.
 
Well I still think that the whole thing about 'ripping' something is way off. It's not just about how 'unique' something is, it's what effect the author is trying to achieve. The manatee ordeal was stupid because the fact is that the gunship looks so neat because it resembles a living creature. That is one of the things that make the combine so interesting (and a much more fun enemy to fight IMO). If it fits well and the overall game benefits (and is to the author's liking) then they have to go with it. It's like romance in a story. It can feel cliched but sometimes it can really make a story more interesting though it's been done a thousand times before.
 
Exactly. Besides when something is ripped off, its usually ripped off done to very last detail. And last time i checked, manatee's didn't have propellers. But if they did....they'd probably be scheming to take back the land we stole from them millions of years ago......OooOOooOOOOooo RUN FOR THE HILLS PEOPLE!!!
 
Doom 3 = Total rip of Doom, infact it's an actual REMAKE of the orignal game which iD themselves has admitted from the very begining. It'll still be a great game.

I really don't know what was AquariARSE's problem regarding the sea cows. It's not like we're all going to tool up and go hunting them becuase they *possibly* inspired the design for the combine gunship. :rolleyes:
 
He was very, very weird. I feel kind of sorry for the guy. Either he was some sad little person who was trying to get attention, or he was just incredibly thick.
 
I think it would be interesting to a lot of people if Valve released the concept work for the Gunship, showing how it started out and how it developed. It very likely began as something completely different, possibly some headcrab sized creature, then someone may have stuck a propellor on it and things went from there. It might have even been part of an early strider design, or some other ship/creature not yet seen. While what was originally planned as a gunship might not be nothing more than some interesting shape on some creature or object. It's very interesting seeing how such things can develop over time and end up completely different to what they were originally intended to be.
 
Other than the fact that it has twice as many legs and no heat ray... yeah, it's a dead ringer. :E
 
Lol nice... oh and the fact that looks like a Pond Skater lol.

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Oh well it is :LOL:
 
Those pictures in the first post will give me nightmares... especially that elephant, *shivvers*
(BTW I'm back everybody, prolly don't care anyway, seeing as most people hate me.)
 
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