Who has more sex Atheists or Religious people?

[blackout]

he could have just said in the first place, besides I don't care what you people think, and I don't see why any religous people would, unless they are in serious question of their spirtuality.

oh and PS. not all christians belong to a church, I'm non-denominational.

 

[phantomdesign]

I'm "undecided"... by my girlfriend and I do our thing 3-6 times a day.

 

[PvtRyan]

It never fails to amuse that there's people who genuinely believe that their Almighty Skygod cares about whose poop-chute you stick your wiener in and whether or not that person has a pair of X, or XY-chromosomes.

 

[CptStern]

well. . ok I suppose it's not really a sin in the case of animals but it's still a perversion of God's original plan.

how can it be a perversion of god's plan if that would imply the animals chose to be gay! so it cant be a perversion of god's plan because that would mean animals consciously went against god's plan. therefore it's not against god's plan therefore homosexuality is NOT a sin therefore I've just fixed christianity to accept gays and you'll all be open armed towards the gays from now on ..right? ....except no, despite the logic, HATERS ARE GONNA HATE

besides, what are you trying to prove exactly stern? what's your point?

that sex is a sin under certain circumstances?

 

[Yuri]

Man the amount of religious intolerance on this forum is kind of disturbing.

Hey anyway, where'd you get this study? It is very confusing. It is hard for me to swallow that 0% of Spiritual or Agnostic males ever do anything sexual with other males. Heh, get it? Seriously, though, where's this from?

 

[Sheepo]

americansandreligiouspeoplearestupid.net/canada

Stern's number one source for news.

 

[MorganFreeman911]

So let me get this straight, blackout. You're a gay-hating christian who thinks homosexuality is a "perversion on god's will" (if there even is a god)?

 

[Eejit]

So let me get this straight, blackout. You're a gay-hating christian who thinks homosexuality is a "perversion on god's will" (if there even is a god)?

He also thinks it's an unfair sweeping statement to say that sex predates marriage.

 

[No Limit]

he could have just said in the first place, besides I don't care what you people think, and I don't see why any religous people would, unless they are in serious question of their spirtuality.

oh and PS. not all christians belong to a church, I'm non-denominational.

The point is it is clear you don't even know what it is you are defending. You believe something just because you were taught to believe that way. You don't know why, you don't fully understand it, but you are convinced of it no matter how much evidance exists to the contrary. Like Stephen Colbert you think with your gut and not with your head when it comes to this issue.

And to any religious people that got their panties in a bunch over my comment. If you want to have a serious discussion about your belief system then I will show you nothing but respect. The problem with you people is you are too scared to have such a discussion because we all know it's all total bullshit (you do too). You use excuses such as "well it will just turn in to a flamewar" or "you'll never convince me and I wont convince you" or "you guys are way too mean when it comes to religion" and other idiotic excuses not to have this discussion. And this, in my opinion, is ****ing retarded (no offense).

But by all means, prove me wrong.

 

[Mogi67]

Sex is the most awesome thing in the world. Sex should BE a religion.

No it's not, and no it shouldn't.


What is the source of this study, stern?

 

[Sheepo]

And this, in my opinion, is ****ing retarded (no offense).

Sums up HL2.net's attitude to religion in one sentence.

 

[Raziaar]

That religion is ****ing retarded?

Well actually his point is that Christianity is ****ing retarded.

I'm sure he feels the same about other religions, he just never says as much(except maybe for Scientology). His focus is on Christianity itself typically, not religion as a whole.

That's fine though, since it's mostly a discussion about the USA which Christianity is the majority religion.


Though some days I think he needs a turban avatar too, like No Limit. heh.

 

[Yuri]

And to any religious people that got their panties in a bunch over my comment. If you want to have a serious discussion about your belief system then I will show you nothing but respect. The problem with you people is you are too scared to have such a discussion because we all know it's all total bullshit (you do too). You use excuses such as "well it will just turn in to a flamewar" or "you'll never convince me and I wont convince you" or "you guys are way too mean when it comes to religion" and other idiotic excuses not to have this discussion. And this, in my opinion, is ****ing retarded (no offense).

But by all means, prove me wrong.

You have proven that absolutely no respect could ever come from you in any discussion on religion. You also proved that there would be no reason anyone would want to ever start such a discussion, as you are clearly too bigoted for it to hold any merit. Nobody expects to have a worthwhile discussion about equal rights on Stormfront.org, either. The reason isn't because anyone is "too pussy" to have some stupid discussion with you. It is simply understood that you are a bigot, and no worthwhile discussion can result from a bigot.

In short, **** you, moron.

 

[Raziaar]

It is true that some members here seem to shut down discussion quickly when they resort to tactics that attempt to belittle the individuals they are discussing with, with regards to religion.

It's quite annoying to see. I mean... we all know the majority of us here are atheists, either long time or fairly recently converted(such as myself)... but we don't need to attack other fellow members so viciously just because they may not feel the same way about the same subjects.

Long story short... can't we all just get along?

 

[Sheepo]

Long story short... can't we all just get along?

What are you, a pussy?

 

[Raziaar]

What are you, a pussy?

I've noticed that you've become a raging asshole on the forums lately. Instead of asking me if I'm a pussy, perhaps you should be asking how you got so much sand in yours.

 

[Sheepo]

Are you serious?

Spoiler

HINT: Read my posts in this thread before responding

 

[No Limit]

You have proven that absolutely no respect could ever come from you in any discussion on religion. You also proved that there would be no reason anyone would want to ever start such a discussion, as you are clearly too bigoted for it to hold any merit. Nobody expects to have a worthwhile discussion about equal rights on Stormfront.org, either. The reason isn't because anyone is "too pussy" to have some stupid discussion with you. It is simply understood that you are a bigot, and no worthwhile discussion can result from a bigot.

In short, **** you, moron.

So instead of arguing with the facts you went with the lame "you're too mean" excuse.

And you are wrong, I would be extremely respectful if you wanted to have a serious discussion. But you dont so you use this as an excuse. I just dont understand why you continue to belief something that deep inside you know is bullshit. Im not sure if it was you last time but when you couldnt refute that the bible said the earth was flat you said you would ignore me because i was too disrespectful.

And on final note. Pointing out that religon is retarded is not bigoted because it's true. Its kind of like when someone points out Palin is retarded isnt bigoted. Stop playing the victim card, you guys run this country. And you could prove me wrong if you really believed what you believe, but thats a discussion you dont want to have. Why not?

 

[Sheepo]

So instead of arguing with the facts you went with the lame "you're too mean" excuse.

And you are wrong, I would be extremely respectful if you wanted to have a serious discussion.

Maybe no one's taking you up on the offer because you're being an asshole right now?

But you dont so you use this as an excuse. I just dont understand why you continue to belief something that deep inside you know is bullshit. Im not sure if it was you last time but when you couldnt refute that the bible said the earth was flat you said you would ignore me because i was too disrespectful.

You're already certain that religious people 'belief something that deep inside you know is bullshit'. You're not only describing someone who inherently would not want to argue, you're also characterizing yourself as someone that would be pointless to argue with.

And on final note. Pointing out that religon is retarded is not bigoted because it's true. Its kind of like when someone points out Palin is retarded isnt bigoted. Stop playing the victim card, you guys run this country. And you could prove me wrong if you really believed what you believe, but thats a discussion you dont want to have. Why not?

bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards members of a group with hatred or intolerance

If you want a reasonable argument, start it. No one's going to want to argue with some one who promises to stop being an asshole as soon as you start taking the discussion seriously enough for them. Stop being condescending. Stop cursing. Stop being an asshole. Oh, and you can try punctuation and spelling too, but that's just me.

 

[Yuri]

Internet badass, here to tell you religion is shit and you're too much of a pussy to do anything about it. aw yea

quote of the century

Pointing out that religon is retarded is not bigoted because it's true.

You win, Mr. Hardcore. But what kind of "respectful discussion" did you expect to spring out of "religion is shit, prove me wrong, you can't because it's retarded BITCH." Not much except to troll, I'm sure.



hey look, Sheepo made the same post but better. Go Sheepo!

 

[No Limit]

So you continue to be too scared to defend what you believe, going with the "you're not respectful enough" excuse. Why dont tell me why you belive a 2,000 year old book that says the earth is flat. Is there some evidance you have of this? If that evidance is a personal miracle you experianced how do you know it came from a christian god? It could have come from a Hindu God, the muslim version of a God, or even no God at all (I know, insane, right?). This question has nothing to do with respect, its a simple question you should be able to answer. You could call me mean for asking this question, you could call me a dick. But in the end if you can't answer this question you are incapable of defending your belief system. Yet for some reason you believe something you can't defend.

Sorry for mspelling issues, typing this on phone and its bugging out.

Edit: fixed spelling and stuff, touchscreen sucks balls.

 

[Robbo]

No No people get pissed off in discussions like this because the 'religious' insist on applying their beliefs upon others as law, and yes in most countries religious beliefs are imposed upon people as law. If these beliefs can't stand up to what here is MODEST CRITICISM then why should anyone believe them at all let alone judge others actions by them.

If you're unwilling to have your beliefs questioned then just leave the thread, don't sit here bitching about everyone is being mean to you..... they started by asking rational questions which you couldn't answer!

 

[Sheepo]

So you continue to be too scared to defend what you believe, going with the "you're not respectful enough" excuse. Why dont tell me why you belive a 2,000 year old book that says the earth is flat. Is there some evidance you have of this? If that evidance is a personal miracle you experianced how do you know it came from a christian god? This question has nothing to do respect, its a simple question you whould be able to answer.

I hold no religious beliefs whatsoever. I'm simply not a big fan of harassment.

If you're unwilling to have your beliefs questioned then just leave the thread, don't sit here bitching about everyone is being mean to you..... they started by asking rational questions which you couldn't answer!

No, not at all.

 

[No Limit]

I hold no religious beliefs whatsoever. I'm simply not a big fan of harassment.

Huh?..

Edit: Actually I just read your post above, somehow missed it.

You are wrong if you think I have hate for christians, I don't. It is not bigotry. My parents and all my family is christian (well catholic) so are my best of friends. I don't hate them. I just think that their religion is retarded and I have no problem explaining why. Do I think the person that believes in their religion is retarded? Not necessarily. I've seen some of the smartest people I've known be religious. But if you can't defend what you believe you need to ask yourself why you believe it in the first place. These people are not willing to do that.

 

[Sheepo]

It means harassing people. It's synonymous with this thread.

 

[No Limit]

It means harassing people. It's synonymous with this thread.

My post edited, didnt see your post above.

 

[Sheepo]

There's a difference between being able to defend your beliefs and being willing to argue with hostile, stubborn people over the internet about whether your rationalization for your beliefs should be good enough for them. They have the right to decline to your gracious invitation. "Hey, I'll stop shooting as soon as you give me more bullets." Besides, this is the argument.

"Bible says some stuff. Shit's crazy."
"I don't think the bible should be interpreted strictly literally."
"Well what makes you so sure your religious feelings come from a god?"
"I can't prove it, if that's what you want. I'm faithful they come from god just as you're faithful that they don't."

Bam. There's your argument.

 

[Robbo]

No, not at all.

ok correct me if I'm wrong here but no one has yet told me how animals can sin without knowledge of sin..... and if you can't answer that why should the religious be allowed to impose their beliefs or even judge others by them?

Just once I would like religion to take the scientific route and say 'actually we're not really sure about this so we will choose to live by it anyway and other can do what they want'. I'm just sick of being told that one type of sex is immoral because of beliefs that fall down at the first rational question.

*edit* damn it I can't keep up with this thread

 

[No Limit]

"I can't prove it, if that's what you want. I'm faithful they come from god just as you're faithful that they don't."

Bam. There's your argument.

Ummm...bro...how do I put this...? That argument is ****ing retarded.

Now you say I'm an asshole for saying that. But what if I had said this:

I'm faithful that presents on Christmas come from Santa Claus just as you're faithful that they don't

Admit it, you would think that's ****ing retarded.

The question is why you are faithful. If you think God blessed you with some "miracle" why do you assume it was a christian God? "Miracles" happen to Muslims, they happen to Hindus. Shit, they happen to everyone including people with no religion. So why do you think your religion is so special that it must have been responsible for it?

 

[Sheepo]

ok correct me if I'm wrong here but no one has yet told me how animals can sin without knowledge of sin.....

I'm pretty sure someone said that it wasn't a sin for animals because, y'know, they're animals and sinning isn't even a thing for them. Not that that's what I meant, but there ya go.

and if you can't answer that why should the religious be allowed to impose their beliefs or even judge others by them?

There are absolutely no religious people doing that on this forum.

Just once I would like religion to take the scientific route and say 'actually we're not really sure about this so we will choose to live by it anyway and other can do what they want'. I'm just sick of being told that one type of sex is immoral because of beliefs that fall down at the first rational question.

You've met some annoying religious people so now you're an annoying atheist person. Got it.

 

[Sheepo]

Ummm...bro...how do I put this...? That argument is ****ing retarded.

Now you say I'm an asshole for saying that. But what if I had said this:



Admit it, you would think that's ****ing retarded.

The question is why you are faithful.

Straw man, excellent. You can pretty easily prove that Santa Claus doesn't come to your house. Because you can stay up late and catch your parents doing it. Comparing that to determining whether a religious experience is a natural phenomenon within the brain or whether it's caused by a divine entity, that's pretty damn different. You have your faith, they have theirs.

 

[Robbo]

You've met some annoying religious people so now you're an annoying atheist person. Got it.

Annoying.. I though I put that in as neutral a way as possible but I guess unless you kiss religions arse your being obnoxious.

Anyway I'm out, this has become stupid

 

[No Limit]

Straw man, excellent. You can pretty easily prove that Santa Claus doesn't come to your house. Because you can stay up late and catch your parents doing it. Comparing that to determining whether a religious experience is a natural phenomenon within the brain or whether it's caused by a divine entity, that's pretty damn different. You have your faith, they have theirs.

Ok, eventhough you ignored every single other thing I said I'll pretend like you have a point. You are totally right, you can prove the presents don't come from Santa Claus.

So lets try this:

I'm faithful that God wants me to kill infidels and he will give me 72 virgins once I do that just as you're faithful that God won't

Come on buddy, that argument is ****ing retarded, is it not?

 

[Sheepo]

Ok, eventhough you ignored every single other thing I said I'll pretend like you have a point.

You edited in more stuff after I was already responding to your post. Good for you.

You are totally right, you can prove the presents don't come from Santa Claus.

Look man, I'm sorry you use absurd strawmen arguments, but I can't just not tell you why they're dumb.

So lets try this:

Come on buddy, that argument is ****ing retarded, is it not?

While it's technically as feasible as any other option, obviously it goes against most healthy peoples' instincts. Whether someone's 'faith' is great enough to overcome their instincts and commit atrocities is a whole other question. As a human being I can tell you that that person is wrong (not incorrect necessarily, but wrong in what they do). Like I said, I don't take stock in any of this crap, one way or the other. Even if there was a god I'd say there's a pretty good chance (based on the established options anyway) that we'd be obligated to rebel against him based solely on our goddamn morals.

 

[15357]

Why can't you people be nice to each other?

 

[Yuri]

I'm not religious, not at all, by the way. I just find it obnoxious when self-righteous intolerant pricks make blanket statements about all religion. Especially because the people who do it are usually those who can spot racism and sexism just fine, so sometimes they are not immediately outed as the bigots that they really are.

There are a ton of terrible things in the modern world in which certain aspects of religion is directly responsible. There are a ton of religious beliefs that I think are downright stupid, and sometimes oppressive and wrong. But "religion" as an idea is not represented only by the extremists and fundamentalists. It is a sense of community, relationships, and moral code that are followed and respected by huge groups of people. I know very many people who consider themselves religious and have a total understanding of themselves and what their religion means to them. To call everything considered religious retarded is to be a bigot, it is plain and simple.

This thread has of course degenerated into some extremely vague, general discussion about religion, but I would like to repeat I'd love to know what the source for that image is, Stern.

 

[No Limit]

Look man, I'm sorry you use absurd strawmen arguments, but I can't just not tell you why they're dumb.

If you could actually spend a minute or 2 thinking about it the argument was not a straw man argument. The point is you could take any single position you like and as long as it can't be proven otherwise it must be true. It's called proving a negative and it's total bullshit.

While it's technically as feasible as any other option, obviously it goes against most healthy peoples' instincts. Whether someone's 'faith' is great enough to overcome their instincts and commit atrocities is a whole other question. As a human being I can tell you that that person is wrong (not incorrect necessarily, but wrong in what they do). Like I said, I don't take stock in any of this crap, one way or the other. Even if there was a god I'd say there's a pretty good chance (based on the established options anyway) that we'd be obligated to rebel against him based solely on our goddamn morals.

So what you are saying is that God telling us to kill infidels so we can get 72 virgins is just as feasible as what christianity believes?

This means that you think killing infidels is just as reasonable as what christians believe because, well, it's what people believe, and you can't prove otherwise. Amirite? Or do you make special exceptions for christians and not other religions?

 

[No Limit]

I'm not religious, not at all, by the way. I just find it obnoxious when self-righteous intolerant pricks make blanket statements about all religion. Especially because the people who do it are usually those who can spot racism and sexism just fine, so sometimes they are not immediately outed as the bigots that they really are.

There are a ton of terrible things in the modern world in which certain aspects of religion is directly responsible. There are a ton of religious beliefs that I think are downright stupid, and sometimes oppressive and wrong. But "religion" as an idea is not represented only by the extremists and fundamentalists. It is a sense of community, relationships, and moral code that are followed and respected by huge groups of people. I know very many people who consider themselves religious and have a total understanding of themselves and what their religion means to them. To call everything considered religious retarded is to be a bigot, it is plain and simple.

This thread has of course degenerated into some extremely vague, general discussion about religion, but I would like to repeat I'd love to know what the source for that image is, Stern.

So what I exactly did I get wrong? I asked a very basic question. That question being:

Why dont tell me why you belive a 2,000 year old book that says the earth is flat. Is there some evidance you have of this? If that evidance is a personal miracle you experianced how do you know it came from a christian god? This question has nothing to do respect, its a simple question you whould be able to answer.

If you think that question can't be answered do you not think religion is stupid?

 

[Sheepo]

If you could actually spend a minute or 2 thinking about it the argument was not a straw man argument. The point is you could take any single position you like and as long as it can't be proven otherwise it must be true. It's called proving a negative and it's total bullshit.

Well yeah, the problem with it is that you can prove it. Not to mention that the question of nuh uh vs yea huh that we're arguing now is case where neither option can be proven. So the real question's an option of proving either of two negatives and the Santa question isn't proving a negative at all.

So what you are saying is that God telling us to kill 72 virgins is just as feasible as what christianity believes?

*shrug* Yeah.

This means that you think killing infidels is just as reasonable as what christians believe because, well, it's what people believe, and you can't prove otherwise. Amirite?

No, not at all? Let's try again:

This means that you think that the idea that god supports the killing of infidels is just as reasonable as what christians believe because, well, it's what people believe, and you can't prove otherwise.

Yeah, that sounds exactly right! Oh, but uh, you seem pretty hung up on this whole 'matter of faith' thing, so I should probably remind you that your beliefs are also a matter of faith.

Or do you make special exceptions for christians and not other religions?

Didn't I cover this with my last response? Also, people generally have an easier time escaping traps when you point out to them where they're set up.

 

[Yuri]

Finding inconsistencies in the Bible, Quran, Torah, or any other religious text does not prove that all religion and religious ideals are retarded and that religion is stupid. Not all religion is represented by any single passage in any single religious belief. This is rather obvious.

Many religious people I know respect much of the moral code in these texts but also agree with modern scientific facts. Obviously, science and thought has come a long way in 2,000 years, 1,600 years, or however old whichever religious text you want to quote is. But religious content is also about human morality and may still apply. Priests and rabbis can still get across really valuable life lessons, advice, and a point of view valuable to people. Some of these people might consider themselves religious.

You can continue quoting sections of religious text that have scientific fallacies or which break modern moral code, and yes, it is disturbing that people still follow these teachings. But once again, this does not represent all religion by any means, and this is an obvious point that I should not have to make.

except I am because forum debating is so much fun hehehehhehe