Whoa - I just remembered what tomorrow is and IT'S VERY IMPORTANT! (Valve vs VU case)

[bate18]

all these reviews coming out and the release of CSS could be seen as evidence that it wont be delayed 6 months

 

[ShinRa]

reviews are only on what valve sent to them. an rc copy of what vivendi has as well. it could just be to get the game known. there were half life reviews 6-8 months before the game even came out. hell i still HAVE my cg mag with the hl review in it. it came out 5 months after this mag was published.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

And Pi muhiro, it doesnt mean anything, it could be something to tide us over. Valve did what they did to beat VU at their own game. Theyve already made a ton of money from customers pre-purchasing hl2. They gave us cs:s not as a bonus for pre-purchasing hl2, but to get MORE people to pre-purchase hl2. It's all for money, and this could last them the next 6 months. All they did with cs:s is take off the beta tag and throw some new maps in. theres still no new models/characters/features/etc.

You're perfectly entitled to that opinion. Just don't present it as fact. You're indulging in pure speculation.

One thing you should consider, though - the magazine reviews were sanctioned by Vivendi. Does that seem like the action of a company about to delay the game for 6 months?

Plus with valves track record, it all leads me to believe that yes, we are in store for yet another long delay.

Bzzt! Any delay of HL2 at this point is down to Vivendi, not Valve. Valve's track record is irrelevant.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

We can only hope for a settling right then and there. Hell maybe Vivendi will settle out of court once they realize how much HL2 thru steam is going to hurt their sales.

unfortunately it may be the exact opposite... with steam already hurting vivendi (if feasable) they would want reperation.

Bzzt! Any delay of HL2 at this point is down to Vivendi, not Valve. Valve's track record is irrelevant.

and, correct me if I am wrong.. Vivendi can only delay it up to six months contractually correct?

 

[ShinRa]

You're perfectly entitled to that opinion. Just don't present it as fact. You're indulging in pure speculation.

One thing you should consider, though - the magazine reviews were sanctioned by Vivendi. Does that seem like the action of a company about to delay the game for 6 months?



Bzzt! Any delay of HL2 at this point is down to Vivendi, not Valve. Valve's track record is irrelevant.

What upsets me even farther is that you apparently know things we dont, yet you dont share with the community. Just speculation, I've heard things about you.

Why doesnt valve speak up? Why doesnt vu speak up? Why is there absolutely nothing going on right now with the rc? Why hasnt it gone gold if vu apparently approves of the game? What the hell is going on?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Mr Redundant: that's correct.

guinny, guinny, guinny....

What upsets me even farther is that you apparently know things we dont, yet you dont share with the community. Just speculation, I've heard things about you.

Things? Do elaborate...

Why doesnt valve speak up? Why doesnt vu speak up? Why is there absolutely nothing going on right now with the rc? Why hasnt it gone gold if vu apparently approves of the game? What the hell is going on?

Assumptions on your part here. Valve and VU aren't "speaking up" presumably because they have no reason to.
Who says there's nothing going on with the RC? Are you privy to the flow of information between Valve and VU? Of course not.
VU approve the reviews because the game will be ready (i.e. gold) within the timeframe of those reviews.

 

[chrisglick]

didn't we already agree that to hold the release of the game is suicide for Vu?

Vu only cares about money; its stock holders only care about money.

It cannot afford to miss the christmas season.

It will be released late Nov/early Dec.

Pure spec, but the logic checks out, unlike the hold theory.

 

[mutt]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the hearing had been delayed until December... I'll try and find the source to confirm.

:cheers:

Yea, I thought I saw it somewhere... here it is: In other developments in the Valve versus VUG lawsuit, the judge hearing the case in District Court pushed the cutoff date for the two sides to present relevant documents (Discovery) from October 8, 2004, to December 31, 2004.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halflife2/news_6108100.html

:cheers:

:cheers:

are you happy about this or somthing?

 

[ShinRa]

The timeframe has passed. The reviews are out. 6 major magazines have published reviews, and are being spread worldwide. This is the timeframe. There is no announcments, there is no communication. Everything is at a dull silence.

And yea..things...you know "things" apparently. You know more than we do about this whole situation and you haveta keep your mouth shut. Thats my take on the hints you've given.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

First of all, this is the timeframe for the magazines. Now. The US PCGamer isn't even on shelves yet. The UK mags only came out late last week. The timeframe for these magazines is a month. They almost always review games in advance of release (for obvious reasons).

Silence means nothing. It doesn't mean everything has stopped. It doesn't mean that everyone is so busy popping HL2 CDs into boxes to say anything. It. Means. Nothing. Attempting to infer meaning is futile.

If there are "things" that I know that the community don't, then I would share them with the community where I was permitted to do so. You may draw your own conclusions from that.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

Obviously, they pushed the court date back for a reason....I don't need to point it out, cause its pretty obvious.

 

[ShinRa]

Meaning your not permitted to share the things you do know. That's my take on it.

 

[wonkers]

From what I gather this game is cursed. Things going right isn't what HL2 is all about. (in-game & otherwise)

Secondly I will know when they are in production phase. My ear is to the ground. If everyone has the locked version of HL2 on their comp why havn't we gotten a gold statement shortly after.

Is there a trial today or not? I understand the reason to hold off production when there is a legal dispute which is much more important.

I just feel that every day is important. If they keep mess'in around instead getting this game out why bother? It's getting to the holidays and there are tons of other games coming out.

Fingers crossed. Valve-VUG shake hands and make money you dummies.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

If they keep mess'in around instead getting this game out why bother?

Because they are always messing around, right?

 

[Democritus]

I think I just read 4 pages of a thread where everyone has proven that nobody knows anything.

 

[~}A{~TF2]

:cheers:

are you happy about this or somthing?

LMFAO!! HELL NO I'm not happy with this!! I have been waiting with abated breath (could explain why I feel so weasy lately ) for HL2 to come out!! I have been looking forward to this game more than any other ever!!

LOL mutt, you are funny

 

[shaggy2039]

guinny...seriously...why the hell can't you just chill out?
my god...you're so freakin dramatic all the time...

 

[wonkers]

I like dramatic people. They always have their own opinions. You know, instead of being a sheep.

He's just taking the pessimistic side of the arguement. Considering the game it has more weight on that side anyway.

 

[grumpycrab]

I think I just read 4 pages of a thread where everyone has proven that nobody knows anything.

Or everybody knows nothing...Isn't the Internet a wonderful source of absolutely nothing. Sometimes.
--
Grumps

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I like dramatic people. They always have their own opinions. You know, instead of being a sheep.

So people that aren't dramatic don't have opinions?

He's just taking the pessimistic side of the arguement. Considering the game it has more weight on that side anyway.

In your opinion.

 

[ShinRa]

guinny...seriously...why the hell can't you just chill out?
my god...you're so freakin dramatic all the time...

cry about it. here's a tissue.

and Pi, i understand its my opinion, but it has a small amount of relative truth to it. the past speaks for itself.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

If by the past you're referring to Vivendi delaying CS:CZ, then I agree.

 

[ShinRa]

Precisely what I mean.

 

[cadaveca]

But what argument does Vu have if they don't release the game before the courtdate? How would have STEAM affected retail sales, when no retail sales have happened? They release before the end of discovery(dec 31st), they just might get a whole lot of evidence to back up thier claim. Makes no sense for them to delay, but, like you say, it IS possible.

If VU wants money, they need numbers as to what they lost because of STEAM. Otherwise it's just speculation, and won't hold in court.

 

[bate18]

guinny...seriously...why the hell can't you just chill out?
my god...you're so freakin dramatic all the time...

i agree. just take deep breaths guinny.

 

[DeViouS]

so has anybody heard anything about what is going on in court today??

 

[cadaveca]

courthouse is almost closed now...somebody should have. The procedings are closed-door sort if things tho, at this point.

 

[DeViouS]

courthouse is almost closed now...somebody should have. The procedings are closed-door sort if things tho, at this point.

do you think we will know anything? ;(

 

[cadaveca]

nope.
i personally believe the court case will not delay the release, except to say that the game will be released before the end of dec. i've posted why in other threads.

A summary judgement is like this: they can't solve a dispute on something, because the case affects it, or the results of the decision affect the case. Becasue neither side wants delay, they have asked the judge to make a ruling as to how they should procede, based on what is currently known. At that time, the date for discovery was pushed back until December 31st, so that each side has more time to submit evidence. Why is that important? Becasue someone asked for the delay. The only side that would benefit would be VU, so that they can get actual figures as to how much money the STEAM releases have cost them. Without those figures, they have no case. It would be like them suing Crytek, because FarCry is a fps.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

You're perfectly entitled to that opinion. Just don't present it as fact. You're indulging in pure speculation.

One thing you should consider, though - the magazine reviews were sanctioned by Vivendi. Does that seem like the action of a company about to delay the game for 6 months?



Bzzt! Any delay of HL2 at this point is down to Vivendi, not Valve. Valve's track record is irrelevant.

i am not trying to dispute anything with u on any delay or non-delay but i was thinking about this court stuff.. and thought.. "hey it isn't too far fetched to think the judge could give orders to halt any publication and release of this game until a decision has been rendered"

any lawyers here want to comment on this thought? whats the likelihood of judge giving such an order?